martyc5674 wrote: » Banterbus28 wrote: » Ibsee you ignored the rest of my post as it was only convenient for you to use that little snippet. I'm a protestant and find it absolutely adhorrent that you think it's ok to protest the leader of a faith, this particular pope is quite progressive. I answered that question... if you read the rest of my posts you’ll see why I believe people feel they should protest. You’ll also see I have said several times it is nothing to do with the religion.
Banterbus28 wrote: » Ibsee you ignored the rest of my post as it was only convenient for you to use that little snippet. I'm a protestant and find it absolutely adhorrent that you think it's ok to protest the leader of a faith, this particular pope is quite progressive.
Taytoland wrote: » Martin Luther warned you about the papists and only now are we seeing these responses.
RobertKK wrote: » The "I don't want to go, so I will go out of my way to deny others who do want to go" attitude is a disgrace. The same people probably talk about wanting to live in a free and tolerable society, when they practice the opposite themselves. People can be hypocrites if they want but it is mean spirited and wrong to deny others attending an event they want to attend. Also if all tickets are taken up and there is an obvious lack of a full attendance, how can this be deemed a success by the people who got tickets to deny others. People will just say some extremists went out of their way to cause this and how petty these people must be. It would just backfire and in the blame game the losers will be the people who took up tickets to deny others as they will be seen for what they are, which isn't anything positive.
Seth Brundle wrote: » Banterbus28 wrote: » this particular pope is quite progressive. How has he been progressive?
Banterbus28 wrote: » this particular pope is quite progressive.
An_Toirpin wrote: » Misquote of the moment: Magellan didn’t say it, but it’s still brilliant, “shadow on the Moon” Why are anti-clerical folks so uneducated :pac: You guys wear me out!
But though the church hath evermore from Holy Writ affirmed that the earth should be a wide-spread plain bordered by the waters, yet he [Magellan] comforted himself when he considered that in the eclipses of the moon the shadow cast of the earth is round.
Wombatman wrote: » __________________ The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church. — Ferdinand Magellan
The Church says that the Earth is flat, but I know that it is round. For I have seen the shadow of the earth on the moon and I have more faith in the Shadow than in the Church. This quotation is often found on the internet attributed to Magellan, but never with a source, and no English occurrence prior to its use by Robert Green Ingersoll in his essay “Individuality” (1873) has been located. Thus, it it most likely spurious.
An_Toirpin wrote: » Anyone is welcome to enter Catholic schools. Anyone. Not a single Catholic school has only Catholics. Irish Catholic shools have been shown be the more accepting accepting of varying socio economic backgrounds than ETs and other schools. In a tiny number of schools there is overcrowding (less than 5%). In a small number of these schools people have priorised actual Catholics. Big deal.
Wombatman wrote: » Donald Trump wrote: » Hey look. This isn't new. Anti-Catholic hate. If you can't understand why some people detest, and might want to protest the leader of this malignant cult you are out of touch with reality. Couching it as some sort of irrational prejudice is totally disingenuous. I'd be surprised if people didn't protest, considering the amount of deep misery, hurt and pain this organisation has inflicted on some. - Vile physical, psychological and sexual child abuse - Covering up and knowingly exposing others to dangerous predators - Mother and baby prisons - Pits full of babies - Anti contraception - Anti abortion - Anti gay rights - Basically anti women - Anti any kind of proper sex education - Anti any progressive social change really - Selling babies - Destroying evidence and intimidating witnesses - Shaming and repressing from the pulpit - Dragging feet on reparations - Victim blaming The desire to protest is perfectly in line with human nature in the face of this organisation's track record.
Donald Trump wrote: » Hey look. This isn't new. Anti-Catholic hate.
Wombatman wrote: » If you can't understand why some people detest, and might want to protest the leader of this malignant cult you are out of touch with reality. Couching it as some sort of irrational prejudice is totally disingenuous. I'd be surprised if people didn't protest, considering the amount of deep misery, hurt and pain this organisation has inflicted on some. - Vile physical, psychological and sexual child abuse - Covering up and knowingly exposing others to dangerous predators - Mother and baby prisons - Pits full of babies - Anti contraception - Anti abortion - Anti gay rights - Basically anti women - Anti any kind of proper sex education - Anti any progressive social change really - Selling babies - Destroying evidence and intimidating witnesses - Shaming and repressing from the pulpit - Dragging feet on reparations - Victim blaming The desire to protest is perfectly in line with human nature in the face of this organisation's track record.
Hitman3000 wrote: » Banterbus28 wrote: There are Catholics in Ireland, the Pope is the leader of Catholicism, why the hell should his visit be protested? People have a right to protest if they so wish. Get over it, we are a democratic society and protest is a fundamental tenent of democracy. End of.
Banterbus28 wrote: There are Catholics in Ireland, the Pope is the leader of Catholicism, why the hell should his visit be protested?
martyc5674 wrote: » Banterbus28 wrote: » There are Catholics in Ireland, the Pope is the leader of Catholicism, why the hell should his visit be protested? . Because he is the leader of a group who have committed crimes against humanity, a group who have brushed so much under the carpet... pulled children out of young mothers hands never to be seen again, raped and beaten and tortured children in schools. Have been and still are a mysoginst group. The laundries,letterfrack, the Tuam babies... the list is endless. All while being high and mighty and all powerful... untouchable and unquestionable. This is why people might protest... nothing to do with religion.
Banterbus28 wrote: » There are Catholics in Ireland, the Pope is the leader of Catholicism, why the hell should his visit be protested? .
martyc5674 wrote: » You see, I believe there should be no such thing as Muslim schools, as RC schools etc etc... by doing so you are excluding others. And this is what the CC have quite effectively done. Labelling a school by its religion is sheer exclusiveness..., right at the front gate. There should just be schools, where all are welcome, but that doesn’t suit the CCs agenda so they are slow to let go. They want forced baptism to keep their numbers up... there is so much wrong with this on many levels and too many people subscribe to this nonsense even though they are non believers.
An_Toirpin wrote: » The anti religion message was clear. I am very proud of the fact that Ireland tolerant enough to have public muslim schools in Ireland and the many other denominations too. That is pluralism. If the public want more muslim schools so be it. They will surely raise the money for themseves, unlike the cheap secularists here trying to seize church schools for free.
Sycamore Tree wrote: » What bothers me the most about the Roman church is that they are still withholding information from their victims. They should be forced to make their data free to anyone including the Gardaí. I don't understand how people darken the doors of churches while they act this way.
Sycamore Tree wrote: » The Roman church did get a very dodgy deal from that FF government for redress costs. They taxpayer is paying for their crimes against humanity.
work wrote: » I believe a huge protest against the popes visit is required to show the government and church they are no longer welcome or wanted in our society. What do you think? There are many stakeholders that should protest their removal from any influence in our society. Some that come to mind are: 1) Anyone not supportive of misogyny 2) Anyone that doesn't believe in school indoctrination of children in a massive lie. 3) Anyone concerned about abusers in positions allowing abuse 4) Anyone with the most basic scientific education. 5) Anyone that doesn't support cults 6) Anyone that believes LGBT people should be treated fairly in society. 7) Anyone that believes women should have ANY control of their bodies. 8) Anyone that is not seen as equal in the church namely women children and men. There are many other areas but I realised I have covered everyone. As such let's all go to the Phoenix park to let the Vatican know they are not welcome. Are there any peaceful groups planning to protest?
Leroy42 wrote: » This fluffy, caring church is only a recent phenomenon in Ireland, and welcome as that is, let us not pretend that it was by choice or by some enlightenment. They were forced to change by the sheer weight of scandals against them. Only recently we had the church arguing that canon law takes precedence of the law of the state! But the church has not only stood by but actively protected and covered up institutional rape of children. They have forced mothers to give up their babies for no other reason than it was against their moral code. They have undertaken beatings in schools. This is the institution that in the past have allowed things like the Spanish Inquisition and the witch trials. Sure it was in the past but even now they are covering up abuse and telling people in Africa not to use condemns, not because they don't believe they work, but it again goes against the code. And people think we should welcome what it essentially a PR and recruitment drive to Ireland? Have the church dealt with the Tuam scandal? Have they gone back and dealt with all past clerical pare and abuse? Have they dealt with the mothers from the Magdalene Laundries? Have they opened up their records to deal with the babies removed from their mothers and given up for adoption in the US? Its is great if it hasn't effected you personally, but it severely damaged the lives of thousands of people. People that have been forced to endure being portrayed as liars when they tried to tell their story, defended at every turn by the church more worried about itself and its assets than the person they had wronged. Eventually it comes out that not only did the abuse happen, but the church knew about it at the time and knew that person was telling the truth, yet allowed them to relive the orderal to try to save themselves.
Leroy42 wrote: » It is easy for the CC to claim that everyone is free to do it, when they control the market. The usual monopoly claiming they welcome competition. The CC have gained very substantially from the schools. Not merely in money terms, but they maintained their grip on communities as everything revolved around the church and school. The state has given significant monetary subsidies to the CC. Be that be given them tax free status, the scandalous agreements that allowed the CC to avoid the majority of costs to be with the scandals, the fact that even getting such a deal they continue to not have paid up their side.
