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Greenways [greenway map of Ireland in post 1]

dowlingm

So there's been quite a bit of discussion of greenways on threads like Western Rail Corridor (Train & Rail Systems) and I was thinking it might be useful to have a thread which pulls together both technical discussion (for example how greenways can co-exist with adjacent roadways or railways) and news (expansions of existing greenways / announcements of new ones)

According to the Connaught Tribune there are moves on getting on Galway-Clifden along the old rail line alignment. Is there anything else starting to reach firm proposals as opposed to discussion?

MOD EDIT: Fantastic Greenway map of Ireland by riddlinrussell here: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1HAHB3jpXV7qgrTHgopH4Zl7-ItDHGEPv&ll=53.4320326010536%2C-8.939188105408448&z=7

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marno21

Del.Monte wrote: »

Does that mean that the Tralee/Fenit railway won't be opening as a railway line anytime soon?

It doesn't appear so but fortunately the greenway will protect the alignment of the railway in the event it becomes viable in the future. A very prudent decision by CIE and Kerry County Council.

MJohnston

marno21 wrote: »

Kerry County Council now seeking planning permission for 10.5km greenway between Tralee and Fenit.

http://www.radiokerry.ie/kerry-county-council-seeking-planning-tralee-fenit-greenway/

It'd be nice if they could link this up with a route around the west of Tralee to Blennerville.

marno21

Deedsie wrote: »

Were you expecting it to reopen? Are you expecting any disused railway lines to ever reopen?

Be thankful we can repurpose them as part of our tourism infrastructure.

The whole purpose of these greenways is to preserve quality railway alignments for future use when they become viable again.

We'll thank the greenway co-operatives when we see trains running Dungarvan-Waterford, Westport-Achill, Tralee-Fenit, Tralee-Limerick etc.

Zubeneschamali

marno21 wrote: »

The whole purpose of these greenways is to preserve quality railway alignments for future use when they become viable again.

No, that's just what we tell the railway heads or they would not allow it.

They are never going to be viable again, the whole point is to repurpose them permanently as something useful instead of very long thin patches of weeds.

spacetweek

marno21 wrote: »

The whole purpose of these greenways is to preserve quality railway alignments for future use when they become viable again.

We'll thank the greenway co-operatives when we see trains running Dungarvan-Waterford, Westport-Achill, Tralee-Fenit, Tralee-Limerick etc.

Trying to tell whether you're serious or not but I assure you there is no possibility of any of the proposed greenways reopening as railways, as the reasons for their closure originally are still valid, and I say that as a railway buff.

Del.Monte

spacetweek wrote: »

Trying to tell whether you're serious or not but I assure you there is no possibility of any of the proposed greenways reopening as railways, as the reasons for their closure originally are still valid, and I say that as a railway buff.

Athenry/Claremorris and Youghal/Midleton are possible re-openers no matter what anybody on Boards says. What's a railway buff, is it something to do with buffers?

roadmaster

Cycled from Athlone to Mullingar today, took us for ever mainly due to pit stops along the way. It seams to be a hell of alot of locals using it which is great to see. The wife wasnt happy with me but as my boring side as she said encorgaged be to stop several times to look at some of the bridges. It really is a great free public amentity and safe place to bring kids

marno21

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

No, that's just what we tell the railway heads or they would not allow it.

They are never going to be viable again, the whole point is to repurpose them permanently as something useful instead of very long thin patches of weeds.

Deedsie wrote: »

The "whole" purpose? Really? When will Dungarvan to Waterford rail reopen? 2518?

spacetweek wrote: »

Trying to tell whether you're serious or not but I assure you there is no possibility of any of the proposed greenways reopening as railways, as the reasons for their closure originally are still valid, and I say that as a railway buff.

Time to get the sarcasm detectors serviced boys.

In fairness, Del.Monte did start it.

Del.Monte wrote: »

Athenry/Claremorris and Youghal/Midleton are possible re-openers no matter what anybody on Boards says. What's a railway buff, is it something to do with buffers?

As is Limerick-Foynes, either in the short term for freight and the medium/long term as a commuter service given the areas it serves. It's just a pity the M20 is so close to it because the undeveloped land to the east of it would have potential.

[Deleted User]

Derry to Buncrana Greenway goes out to public consultation

http://www.highlandradio.com/2018/06/18/derry-to-buncrana-greenway-goes-out-to-public-consultation/

marno21

Kerry County Council to meet with ABP next week about the South Kerry greenway (Renard-Glenbeigh)

http://www.radiokerry.ie/councilmeet-bord-pleanala-next-week-south-kerry-greenway/

They are also in contact with landowners along the North Kerry and Fenit greenways. I'm not sure why they have any contact with landowners on the Fenit line as it's still an active railway. There are squatters along the route though.

riddlinrussell

The Stations along the Fenit line have been turned into houses so I would imagine those are the landowners they are contacting.

MayoSalmon

Any update on the status on the Royal Canal Greenway specifically between Ashtown and City Center (Sherrif Street)

[Deleted User]

Cork Harbour Greenway plan stalled due to changes in path width rules

https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Cork-Harbour-Greenway-plan-stalled-due-to-changes-in-path-width-rules-b585383c-5e60-45ca-a31e-43d80f19a00f-ds

Redesign from 3m to 4m width

[Deleted User]

Public Consultation on North West Greenway taking place in Fahan

http://www.highlandradio.com/2018/06/26/public-consultation-on-north-west-greenway-taking-place-in-fahan/

This is for the greenway from Buncrana to Derry

Del.Monte

Won't be long now before CIE apply for permission to convert Rosslare/Gorey to one as they have just spent thousands installing new fencing, drainage and rockwalling.

serfboard

Deleted User wrote: »

Public Consultation on North West Greenway taking place in Fahan

http://www.highlandradio.com/2018/06/26/public-consultation-on-north-west-greenway-taking-place-in-fahan/

This is for the greenway from Buncrana to Derry

The old station house in Fahan is now a very nice restaurant called The Firebox Grill.

I can't see from maps where the old line went though - it looks to me like the road is on it, which I would imagine would make construction of a Greeenway difficult.

flazio

Would it be on the osi 1911 map?

hi5

This map works well, zoom in and use street view.

http://www.railmaponline.com/UKIEMap.php

serfboard

hi5 wrote: »

This map works well, zoom in and use street view.
http://www.railmaponline.com/UKIEMap.php

That map is fantastic - thank you!

Though as I suspected, in the case of Fahan, most of the track has been built over long ago. You have to go much further "down the line" towards Burnfoot to see the remnants of the track.

marno21

Latest on the South Kerry Greenway

http://www.radiokerry.ie/call-agronomist-engage-help-reach-agreement-south-kerry-greenway/

marno21

marno21 wrote: »

Limerick council seeking tenders for the construction of an underpass of the N21 at Barnagh and integration of the railway tunnel into the greenway

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=120594&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders

This has been retendered. Not sure why

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=131456&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders

[Deleted User]

Kildare County Council completes Maynooth Harbour Cycle Link

http://www.kildare.ie/CountyCouncil/PressReleasesAdverts/MaynoothHarbourCycleLink.html

[Deleted User]

Kerry farmers: ‘Yes to greenways; no to CPOs’

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/kerry-farmers-yes-to-greenways-no-to-cpos/

marno21

Deleted User wrote: »

Kerry farmers: ‘Yes to greenways; no to CPOs’

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/kerry-farmers-yes-to-greenways-no-to-cpos/

Would've been a lot easier if these ex railways were held in state ownership instead of being pawned off

Of course the situation is ongoing with currently active railways not being monitored by CIE and free for enroachment.

Zebra3

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Kildare County Council completes Maynooth Harbour Cycle Link

http://www.kildare.ie/CountyCouncil/PressReleasesAdverts/MaynoothHarbourCycleLink.html

Was finished a good while ago.

Greenway to Kilcock fully in place but not to Leixlip.

[Deleted User]

MULLINGAR MUNICIPAL DISTRICT NEWS: Toilets and shop needed at greenway

http://www.westmeathexaminer.ie/news/roundup/articles/2018/06/27/4158045-mullingar-municipal-district-news-toilets-and-shop-needed-at-greenway/

An interesting bit in the story....

Mr Murray said that when the entire route to Galway has been opened up, it would be a different marketing project.

He also reminded members that at the next county council meeting, the Mullingar Municipal District will be considering potential by-laws for the greenway.

In the case of the Dublin to Galway greenway, are we heading towards a situation with each councils applying their own set of bylaws, so as you cross from county to county, you will have to adhere to different requirements but all along the same route

Zubeneschamali

flazio wrote: »

Would it be on the osi 1911 map?

Yes, you can see Fahan with railways on the OSI 25" here:
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,633450,926946,11,9

In the "preview map series" box at right you can flip between the 25" and the modern Street map:
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,633477,926923,11,3

Or an aerial view from 2005:
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,633477,926923,11,0

[Deleted User]

Greenway agronomist gets ‘green light’

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/greenway-agronomist-gets-green-light/

MJohnston

So is there an up-to-date list of what is complete/in-progress/not started on the Royal Canal Greenway at this stage? The website is out of date. Here's what they have as currently In Progress:

Dublin:

Phase 2; Upper sheriff St. to North Strand.
Phase 3; North Strand to Phibsborough
Phase 4; Phibsborough to Ashtown.
Blanchardstown to Fingal/Meath Border at Confey. Work on these four sections is in the planning stage and was due to start in 2016-17, see; Royal Canal Way Part 8 (May 2016). However, in September 2016 the upgrade was put on hold. Apparently the money earmarked for these section was diverted to fund work on the Luas, see; RTE (3 Sept 2016). As of September 2017 no new progress

Kildare and Meath:

Confey to east side of Maynooth Harbour; (Feb 2018). (8 Km). Work on this section is due to start in the first quarter of 2018 and should be completed mid 2018.
Cloncurry Bridge to Westmeath Border; (October 2017). (22 Km). Towpath is closed with work ongoing which is expected to be completed mid 2018

So are the last two projects finished? Any update on the others?

blueballfc

Good thread here
https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057747877/13

And Facebook page
https://m.facebook.com/royalcanalgreenway/

MJohnston wrote: »

So is there an up-to-date list of what is complete/in-progress/not started on the Royal Canal Greenway at this stage? The website is out of date. Here's what they have as currently In Progress:

Dublin:
Phase 2; Upper sheriff St. to North Strand.

Phase 3; North Strand to Phibsborough

Phase 4; Phibsborough to Ashtown.

Blanchardstown to Fingal/Meath Border at Confey. Work on these four sections is in the planning stage and was due to start in 2016-17, see; Royal Canal Way Part 8 (May 2016). However, in September 2016 the upgrade was put on hold. Apparently the money earmarked for these section was diverted to fund work on the Luas, see; RTE (3 Sept 2016). As of September 2017 no new progress

Kildare and Meath:
Confey to east side of Maynooth Harbour; (Feb 2018). (8 Km). Work on this section is due to start in the first quarter of 2018 and should be completed mid 2018.

Cloncurry Bridge to Westmeath Border; (October 2017). (22 Km). Towpath is closed with work ongoing which is expected to be completed mid 2018

So are the last two projects finished? Any update on the others?