Hitman3000 wrote: » 90,000 houses a year being built during the good times. Lots of vat, excise and don't forget income tax from the 1000's of building workers. Big tax hole to fill. Money has to come from somewhere. When the bubble burst we were still spending more than we took in . National debt is over 200 billion.
thomas 123 wrote: » Absolutely & this is the logical argument. Not the social collapse of the state that the other guy was on about :P
relax carry on wrote: » Part of the reasoning for bringing it in was because of the over reliance on tax take from unstable sources such as stamp duty. It was an attempt to expand the tax base and put it on a more stable footing so it wouldn't be as susceptible to future shocks. The LPT is another example. Everybody seems to want to go back to the good old days of the Celtic Tiger which was an anomaly. The days where politicians eroded stable tax take by buying elections with giveaway budgets. It's like we have learned nothing at all.
relax carry on wrote: » If you bothered to read it you note I didn't sate removing the USC would collapse the state. I gave you part of the reason it was brought in which was to stabilise the tax base. I said that the wider argument people need to have is what kind of society you wish to have. Tax funds that society and the USC is party of that tax fund. Reduce it without replacing it with something else and the society you live in is affected. People always want to pay less tax or let someone else pay more without bothering to think about what it's for. So what society do you want and how do you want to fund it?
Foxhound38 wrote: » As mentioned in the thread, I don't have a problem with a rainy day fund as long as it's ringfenced as such and not what was supposed to be a temporary, emergency measure.
DevLit wrote: » 100%. We have to much reliance on social welfare. My parents know a chap who is 40, lives in a 3 bed council house in Howth that he 'inherited' from his parents. The house is worth 450K. This guy has never worked in his life, and does courses to keep his welfare. Absolute joke. This house should be at least give to a family who would make better use of it. The health spend is mad as well. There is so much inefficiently. With the money we spend, there is no reason we shouldn't have a top class health system. But any changes that are initiated, and there's strike after strike.
Keyzer wrote: » USC will never be done away with. Ever. The sooner you accept this the better. Move on.
thomas 123 wrote: » Sheep No.2 of the afternoon. Would the French accept it I wonder? Just to note, I note don't mean to personally insult its just a funny mindset we have when it comes to being shafted by our government.
Keyzer wrote: » I'm no sheep. I abhor USC. I'm merely stating the obvious. It came into effect with no protests and little or no opposition from the public. Compare that to water charges which caused uproar. Its never, ever going away.
Idbatterim wrote: » Renua should run with usc abolition over 3-4 years. If they actually want to make themselves relevant ...
VinLieger wrote: » Getting rid of USC would be insanity. Currently 1/3 of all workers pay zero income tax as they fall outside our archaic tax bracket system. USC is the most progressive tax we have that broadens the tax base and brings this third of workers back into it. We need a broader tax base than we had in 07/08 to help get us through whatever the next crisis might be as one of the issues we had back then was how much we had narrowed it through endless give away budgets. If anything we should be increasing USC and decreasing or adjusting the tax brackets to continue broadening the tax base as much as possible. I do deffinitely agree we need to take a serious look at wastage though. I would suggest first starting with how our tax intake is organised and distributed. One of the big issues we have is the vast majority of tax goes into one giant pot and is then doled out basically on the premise of who has done favours for which department and when. It encourages pork barrel projects and wastage across the board as there is no accountability for what is spent and where.
MayoSalmon wrote: » The insanity is the vast sums of money the government need to thieve from the peoples wages to fund services....that my friend is the insanity in this matter. We have the 5th highest health spend per captia in the world..no amount of so called reform is going to turn that mess around. Public healthcare has failed and has failed in the majority of countries in the world. Delivering a more efficient service just cannot be delivered publicly. Lets be honest about it. You only need to look across the water to the UK to acknowledge that.
Idbatterim wrote: » Hundred s of thousands of hard working people here, if they don’t stand up and vote renua and allow the other parties to just blow all their money on welfare etc, they can blame themselves at this stage ... fair to say fg are already looking at rowing back on rewarding the taxpayer etc.
tom1ie wrote: » Are Renua not gone now, and to be honest all politicians are window dressing. It’s the senior civil servants that call the shots.
jjmcclure wrote: » Unfortunately those in Ireland who are even moderately successful will be expected to pay for those who have not been "as fortunate" (or bothered to get off their ass and work for it). This group, I call them The Tax Donkeys, will continue to be penalised and pilloried for making over €100k, like they are Pablo Escobar or someone. No government in Ireland will every tackle - Taxing everyone in work in a fair fashion - The grossly inefficient public service - Taxing state benefits - Benefit fraud and lifetime (even generational) benefit scroungers Why? Because they would be voted out by "de mon in de streeat". Sad but true
oholly121 wrote: » Most of the class that you describe above don't or never have voted? So i cant say your comment is 100% true ?
jjmcclure wrote: » Sources for these facts above? Civil servants have never voted?
Idbatterim wrote: » No. They run on a platform that fg claimed they did years ago. Visit their website renua.ie
