Greenways [greenway map of Ireland in post 1]

I dont think we will ever have to worry about the Drogheda Navan railway line being used for a greenway due to the river boyne. As someone wrote already work has already started on this it seams

here is some interesting info on the Proposed Kingscourt to navan Greenway

http://www.meath.ie/media/media,53399,en.pdf

Deedsie wrote: »

Do you just come onto this thread to repeatedly have a go at greenways? We get it. You are not a fan.

He's simply advocating against closing down/tearing up active railways for greenways when they have merit as a railway. Whatever about the Kingscourt branch, the Navan-Drogheda line should be nowhere near any greenway plans while it remains an active freight railway and is one of the only attempts made in this country to remove trucks from roads.

It's the same with Midleton-Youghal. A greenway on that line is very short sighted given the way Cork City is going and it's a direct link into Cork City.

Del.Monte

Deedsie wrote: »

Do you just come onto this thread to repeatedly have a go at greenways? We get it. You are not a fan.

It's a discussion forum or should it just be for people who all agree with each other?

Del.Monte wrote: »

Navan/Dublin using the existing alignment could be done in an hour or slightly less than the current bus service.

As for greenways, they are not the panacea for everything and a meandering line between hedgerows to nowhere (Kingscourt) is not going to attract the numbers that you seem to believe. It's not the scenic Great Western greenway or the Waterford/Dungarvan route you're talking about.

Over time bring the greenway to kingscourt because you have a natural route on state land then connect to Dundalk via Carrickmacross and then on to the proposed Drogheda Dundalk greenway. You now have the Great North eastern greenway for tourists and locals. As for the train from navan bringing it via dunboyne has a far better business case as you have more population on that corridor

Del.Monte

roadmaster wrote: »

Opening Drogheda to navan as passenger rail would be madness as no one would use it by the time you would be in Dublin you would have being there in half the time on the bus. Then you would also be adding extra capacity to a line full as it is , what happens with the dart goes to drogheda and if the enterprise gets the upgrade a train from navan would mess that up. If a train is to come back to navan extend the dunboyne line. As for why a greenway to kingscourt, why not. they are great public amenity that are not just for our continental friends to enjoy but for the citizens of this state to enjoy. They seam to be a success everywhere

Navan/Dublin using the existing alignment could be done in an hour or slightly less than the current bus service.

As for greenways, they are not the panacea for everything and a meandering line between hedgerows to nowhere (Kingscourt) is not going to attract the numbers that you seem to believe. It's not the scenic Great Western greenway or the Waterford/Dungarvan route you're talking about.

Del.Monte wrote: »

Tara Mines planning permission was only granted provided the ore was railed out to Dublin Port. Even when the mine finally runs out the line should be retained for possible reopening for passenger traffic. As for a greenway to Kingscourt....why?

Opening Drogheda to navan as passenger rail would be madness as no one would use it by the time you would be in Dublin you would have being there in half the time on the bus. Then you would also be adding extra capacity to a line full as it is , what happens with the dart goes to drogheda and if the enterprise gets the upgrade a train from navan would mess that up. If a train is to come back to navan extend the dunboyne line. As for why a greenway to kingscourt, why not. they are great public amenity that are not just for our continental friends to enjoy but for the citizens of this state to enjoy. They seam to be a success everywhere

Sam Russell

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

That could explain why they still use rail freight, alright.

And the Malahide Estuary Bridge collapse may explain why they reverted to road for a while.

Zubeneschamali

Del.Monte wrote: »

Tara Mines planning permission was only granted provided the ore was railed out to Dublin Port.

That could explain why they still use rail freight, alright.

Deedsie

Del.Monte wrote: »

Tara Mines planning permission was only granted provided the ore was railed out to Dublin Port. Even when the mine finally runs out the line should be retained for possible reopening for passenger traffic. As for a greenway to Kingscourt....why?

Same reason as any other greenway presumably? Tourism, promote active healthy lifestyle, repurpose an under utilised resource etc etc

Del.Monte

roadmaster wrote: »

I do often wonder how come tara still use this line to transport the ore. By road to dublin port from tara is only 45mins via port tunnel. I am not sure if it was caused by a irish rail strike but tara did use trucks a few years ago. Anyway there is a greenway of sorts already from navan to slane along the boyne . They could develop it proparly drogheda to navan and then hook up with the proposed development of the kingscourt navan greenway

Tara Mines planning permission was only granted provided the ore was railed out to Dublin Port. Even when the mine finally runs out the line should be retained for possible reopening for passenger traffic. As for a greenway to Kingscourt....why?

Squeaksoutloud

flazio wrote: »

What's the status of the line between Navan and Drogheda? Would make a nice Boyne greenway.

Boyne greenway is proposed to follow the boyne River navigation route. First phase from Drogheda to oldbridge opened few years ago and plans to continue to navan. Haven't heard anything on it for a while now though.

marno21 wrote: »

In active freight use. A greenway shouldn't be near the table here let alone on the table

I do often wonder how come tara still use this line to transport the ore. By road to dublin port from tara is only 45mins via port tunnel. I am not sure if it was caused by a irish rail strike but tara did use trucks a few years ago. Anyway there is a greenway of sorts already from navan to slane along the boyne . They could develop it proparly drogheda to navan and then hook up with the proposed development of the kingscourt navan greenway

flazio wrote: »

What's the status of the line between Navan and Drogheda? Would make a nice Boyne greenway.

In active freight use. A greenway shouldn't be near the table here let alone on the table

flazio

What's the status of the line between Navan and Drogheda? Would make a nice Boyne greenway.

serfboard

marno21 wrote: »

Kerry County Council have started a Part 8 process for Listowel-Limerick county border greenway

http://www.radiokerry.ie/council-starts-planning-process-north-kerry-greenway/

Any idea what the timescale is for this i.e. until it's built?

Kerry County Council have started a Part 8 process for Listowel-Limerick county border greenway

http://www.radiokerry.ie/council-starts-planning-process-north-kerry-greenway/

L1011

Maynooth-Fingal Border is meant to start in Autumn, not be completed in Autumn. The first bit done happened to roughly coincide with some other public realm improvements around the Harbour in Maynooth and it has made it a much nicer place to be.

The main effort of the non-greenway works were a fast access road for the fire station but the associated works included widening a pinch point on the R406 to have cycle lanes, enhanced right turn sequences on traffic lights, conversion of a heavily walked but not heavily driven street to a shared space paving (was full width tarmac and no paths before), public seating, Sheffield bike stands and all done with high quality materials. Astonishing level of quality from Kildare County Council - they aren't known for it!

Zebra3

MJohnston wrote: »

So is there an up-to-date list of what is complete/in-progress/not started on the Royal Canal Greenway at this stage? The website is out of date. Here's what they have as currently In Progress:

Dublin:
Phase 2; Upper sheriff St. to North Strand.

Phase 3; North Strand to Phibsborough

Phase 4; Phibsborough to Ashtown.

Blanchardstown to Fingal/Meath Border at Confey. Work on these four sections is in the planning stage and was due to start in 2016-17, see; Royal Canal Way Part 8 (May 2016). However, in September 2016 the upgrade was put on hold. Apparently the money earmarked for these section was diverted to fund work on the Luas, see; RTE (3 Sept 2016). As of September 2017 no new progress

Kildare and Meath:
Confey to east side of Maynooth Harbour; (Feb 2018). (8 Km). Work on this section is due to start in the first quarter of 2018 and should be completed mid 2018.

Cloncurry Bridge to Westmeath Border; (October 2017). (22 Km). Towpath is closed with work ongoing which is expected to be completed mid 2018

So are the last two projects finished? Any update on the others?

Jogged from along the greenway from the level crossing close to Intel to Maynooth this morning. No work on that part of it anyway.

blueballfc

Good thread here
https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057747877/13

And Facebook page
https://m.facebook.com/royalcanalgreenway/

MJohnston wrote: »

So is there an up-to-date list of what is complete/in-progress/not started on the Royal Canal Greenway at this stage? The website is out of date. Here's what they have as currently In Progress:

Dublin:
Phase 2; Upper sheriff St. to North Strand.

Phase 3; North Strand to Phibsborough

Phase 4; Phibsborough to Ashtown.

Blanchardstown to Fingal/Meath Border at Confey. Work on these four sections is in the planning stage and was due to start in 2016-17, see; Royal Canal Way Part 8 (May 2016). However, in September 2016 the upgrade was put on hold. Apparently the money earmarked for these section was diverted to fund work on the Luas, see; RTE (3 Sept 2016). As of September 2017 no new progress

Kildare and Meath:
Confey to east side of Maynooth Harbour; (Feb 2018). (8 Km). Work on this section is due to start in the first quarter of 2018 and should be completed mid 2018.

Cloncurry Bridge to Westmeath Border; (October 2017). (22 Km). Towpath is closed with work ongoing which is expected to be completed mid 2018

So are the last two projects finished? Any update on the others?

MJohnston

So is there an up-to-date list of what is complete/in-progress/not started on the Royal Canal Greenway at this stage? The website is out of date. Here's what they have as currently In Progress:

Dublin:

Phase 2; Upper sheriff St. to North Strand.
Phase 3; North Strand to Phibsborough
Phase 4; Phibsborough to Ashtown.
Blanchardstown to Fingal/Meath Border at Confey. Work on these four sections is in the planning stage and was due to start in 2016-17, see; Royal Canal Way Part 8 (May 2016). However, in September 2016 the upgrade was put on hold. Apparently the money earmarked for these section was diverted to fund work on the Luas, see; RTE (3 Sept 2016). As of September 2017 no new progress

Kildare and Meath:

Confey to east side of Maynooth Harbour; (Feb 2018). (8 Km). Work on this section is due to start in the first quarter of 2018 and should be completed mid 2018.
Cloncurry Bridge to Westmeath Border; (October 2017). (22 Km). Towpath is closed with work ongoing which is expected to be completed mid 2018

So are the last two projects finished? Any update on the others?

Greenway agronomist gets ‘green light’

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/greenway-agronomist-gets-green-light/

Zubeneschamali

flazio wrote: »

Would it be on the osi 1911 map?

Yes, you can see Fahan with railways on the OSI 25" here:
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,633450,926946,11,9

In the "preview map series" box at right you can flip between the 25" and the modern Street map:
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,633477,926923,11,3

Or an aerial view from 2005:
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,633477,926923,11,0

MULLINGAR MUNICIPAL DISTRICT NEWS: Toilets and shop needed at greenway

http://www.westmeathexaminer.ie/news/roundup/articles/2018/06/27/4158045-mullingar-municipal-district-news-toilets-and-shop-needed-at-greenway/

An interesting bit in the story....

Mr Murray said that when the entire route to Galway has been opened up, it would be a different marketing project.

He also reminded members that at the next county council meeting, the Mullingar Municipal District will be considering potential by-laws for the greenway.

In the case of the Dublin to Galway greenway, are we heading towards a situation with each councils applying their own set of bylaws, so as you cross from county to county, you will have to adhere to different requirements but all along the same route

Zebra3

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Kildare County Council completes Maynooth Harbour Cycle Link

http://www.kildare.ie/CountyCouncil/PressReleasesAdverts/MaynoothHarbourCycleLink.html

Was finished a good while ago.

Greenway to Kilcock fully in place but not to Leixlip.

Deleted User wrote: »

Kerry farmers: ‘Yes to greenways; no to CPOs’

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/kerry-farmers-yes-to-greenways-no-to-cpos/

Would've been a lot easier if these ex railways were held in state ownership instead of being pawned off

Of course the situation is ongoing with currently active railways not being monitored by CIE and free for enroachment.

Kerry farmers: ‘Yes to greenways; no to CPOs’

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/kerry-farmers-yes-to-greenways-no-to-cpos/

Kildare County Council completes Maynooth Harbour Cycle Link

http://www.kildare.ie/CountyCouncil/PressReleasesAdverts/MaynoothHarbourCycleLink.html

marno21 wrote: »

Limerick council seeking tenders for the construction of an underpass of the N21 at Barnagh and integration of the railway tunnel into the greenway

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=120594&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders

This has been retendered. Not sure why

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=131456&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders