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Drew Harris appointed Garda commissioner.

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I don't see how this is going to work. This guy is possibly hostile to Irish culture.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/features/profile-drew-harris-of-the-psni-30600926.html

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/first-outsider-to-head-up-an-garda-sochna-as-drew-harris-takes-commissioner-role-37051089.html

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pearcider

facehugger99 wrote: »

No doubt that's why SF were pulling in vote percentages well into the single digits.

SF were to all intents and purposes defunct in the Republic since 1926. They then became FF who spent far longer in power than the blue shirts. The current SF from 1970 are really a Northern Ireland party and far too left wing for the south hence the low poll numbers. But hey don't let a bit of history get in the way of your sarcastic trolling.

mynamejeff

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Play what game? This man was apart of an organisation who killed innocents and he was heavily linked with an organisation who shot dead innocents on our streets. Why are you okay with that?

So is every single Sinn Fein party member.

how many senior party members have blood on their hands or do you only apply your standards to the other side ?

feargale

Odhinn wrote: »

….the PSNI, formerly the RUC, notoriously secretive and a law unto themselves. He'll fit right in.

You wouldn't know any other police force in that mold, would you?

opinionated3 wrote: »

The RUC were utter scum as well, or had you forgotten that.

All of them? Or, like OP, do you mean simply that they were all Protestants?

feargale

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

so after a worldwide search of the worlds police forces this is the best they could appoint?

absolute joke

Explain please.

facehugger99

pearcider wrote: »

The vast majority down south supported them in their struggle against the orange lunatics.

No doubt that's why SF were pulling in vote percentages well into the single digits.

Spanish Eyes

bubblypop wrote: »

you don't see too many patrols of PSNI out in Northern Ireland either

I don't see them! Of course I don't, I live in the South.

I'm not sure what your point is.

Maybe Belfast or the likes are paragons of virtue and they don't need patrols anymore, but sure as heck city centre of Dublin does. I witnessed two incidents in the past week that were terrifying, but no police presence for the forty five minutes I was trapped in the shop before being released when the boys and girls in blue eventually turned up, someone could have been killed it was awful. Jaysus that's not right, neither am I after it either.

Anyway just to say, we are talking about the South here. He will get the message I hope that cops are just not patrolling anymore at all, well at least in Dublin. Disgraceful in a capital city. But I blame the Supers, they are the managers, but the tail seems to wag the dog, or maybe it is just precedent. I dunno.

There does not have to be a blanket police presence, but SOME presence would be reassuring. It is so obvious by its absence and I don't know why that is.

DONTMATTER

Taytoland wrote: »

Stop living in the past. Both could play this game all day. He's now the main man, get used to it.

Play what game? This man was apart of an organisation who killed innocents and he was heavily linked with an organisation who shot dead innocents on our streets. Why are you okay with that?

Taytoland

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

Or the great Garda officers slaughtered by IRA scum. He will get on very well with the Garda.

The innocents slaughtered by the RUC and the British security forces were not in the IRA!

Stop living in the past. Both could play this game all day. He's now the main man, get used to it.

[Deleted User]

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I know they cannot be everywhere, you'd want to be a right numpty to think that, but there are no patrols anywhere! Hope that changes quickly.
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you don't see too many patrols of PSNI out in Northern Ireland either

Spanish Eyes

Bottom line for me is, will he change the mindset in AGS, will he get cops out patrolling the streets and protecting us, will he tackle organised crime and dissos, will he be able to sack corrupt Gardai, and will he have the support and the budget to do all this?

I hope he has cojones the size of melons for this task. Fair play to him for applying, and being selected. He knows he can do it, I hope he succeeds.

Shredders to the metal in Headquarters tonight. Although I'd say most of the Senior ranks had an idea anyway. They know everything of course, but seem to do very little with a lot of information they have really. Thinking of crash and burn robberies from our ethnic friends and so much more. Reactive rather than proactive. CCTV shows someone being beaten up and murdered, and they arrive post event. I know they cannot be everywhere, you'd want to be a right numpty to think that, but there are no patrols anywhere! Hope that changes quickly.

Charlie Flanagan needs to keep a weather eye on this for sure just in case there are any more backdoor shenanigans.

DONTMATTER

Taytoland wrote: »

Or the great Garda officers slaughtered by IRA scum. He will get on very well with the Garda.

The innocents slaughtered by the RUC and the British security forces were not in the IRA!

Taytoland

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

It's a freemason plot I fear.

Let's not forget the civilians killed by the RUC also.

Or the great Garda officers slaughtered by IRA scum. He will get on very well with the Garda.

pearcider

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Anyone who despises cowardly murderous IRA bastards can't be all bad.

I know you're a troll but the IRA formed as a result of the policies of a violent and sectarian state. The vast majority down south supported them in their struggle against the orange lunatics. Lets not completely revise history to garner a few thanks on boards. The RUC and their ilk were also murderous bastards.

DONTMATTER

Taytoland wrote: »

It's a freemason plot I fear.

Let's not forget the civilians killed by the RUC also.

Taytoland

DONTMATTER wrote: »

I don't know how people forget this so easily. There is strong suspicion of British security force involvement in the Dublin and Monaghan bombs, it wasn't long ago that British security members were shooting Irish people dead on our streets, shooting kids, shooting people going to GAA matches and so on. This fella has links to mi5, why should we trust him?

It's a freemason plot I fear.

Spanish Eyes

There was no way any US police chief would get this job. They carry guns you see.

Aus and NZ were out too because of (perhaps) their lack of knowledge of the history of Ireland. Sorry I don't mean to denigrate such candidates, it is just an observation, nothing to do with their competence in their own countries.

So we now have a PSNI Deputy Chief Constable, Presbyterian, great work ethic, knows the score and has seen his own force totally transformed. He can be an Irish citizen, a British citizen or both under GFA and that is why it may work.

I can kind of see why the PAS had him in their sights alright.

I wish him all the best.

[Deleted User]

Del.Monte wrote: »

What matters of State security do you imagine he will be passing on to MI5 - everybody knows the Nuclear fallout bunker is under the Costume Barracks in Athlone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custume_Barracks Do we have any other secrets that might be useful to a 'foreign' power - the very one we would turn if we were threatened by terrorists/Russia etc.

he may disclose where all the iodine tablets are kept :eek:

riffmongous wrote: »

Looks like I hit a nerve there :pac:

Give over, that particular poster is more than happy to have a go at everyone else and give out about the shinners

You're definitely a giver, not a taker aren't you?

DONTMATTER

I don't know how people forget this so easily. There is strong suspicion of British security force involvement in the Dublin and Monaghan bombs, it wasn't long ago that British security members were shooting Irish people dead on our streets, shooting kids, shooting people going to GAA matches and so on. This fella has links to mi5, why should we trust him?

fxotoole

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

so after a worldwide search of the worlds police forces this is the best they could appoint?

absolute joke

Go on then.What’s your objection to him?

RhubarbCrumble

He can't be any worse than the last one surely?

super_furry

Well as long as he doesn’t try to discredit whistle-blowers and then lie about it. He’ll be a improvement. It’s a pretty low bar.

[Deleted User]

timthumbni wrote: »

West brits????

Wtf are you a mod on exactly????? The drunk, crying, tricolour pants wearing republican forum?????.

Looks like I hit a nerve there :pac:

Give over, that particular poster is more than happy to have a go at everyone else and give out about the shinners

Del.Monte

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Unless they separate Garda policing from national security functions this makes no sense.

Harris' loyalty has always been to a foreign power. It was revealed at the Smithwick Tribunal that as PSNI head of intelligence he was its interface with MI5. Hardly a safe set of hands for matters of national security.

No adverse reflection on Harris' character intended : he appears to be a talented, experienced and principled Police officer.

What matters of State security do you imagine he will be passing on to MI5 - everybody knows the Nuclear fallout bunker is under the Costume Barracks in Athlone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custume_Barracks Do we have any other secrets that might be useful to a 'foreign' power - the very one we would turn if we were threatened by terrorists/Russia etc.

Spanish Eyes

I wish him well.

I hope he gets the support he deserves from the rank and file who were thwarted by corruption and ineptitude over many years.

The support for him may just come from those not far up the ranks. I hope he gets a decent budget and support. Could be the best thing ever for this country. Hope so anyway.

Am not one bit worried or even thinking of the fact that he is ex PSNI, they had to go through their own very painful reforms and transition and it has worked reasonably well. So he knows what cleaning out a dodgy organisation is like!

Am very pleased it wasn't another insider.

CrankyHaus

Unless they separate Garda policing from national security functions this makes no sense.

Harris' loyalty has always been to a foreign power. It was revealed at the Smithwick Tribunal that as PSNI head of intelligence he was its interface with MI5. Hardly a safe set of hands for matters of national security.

No adverse reflection on Harris' character intended : he appears to be a talented, experienced and principled Police officer.

ChikiChiki

Great move because lets be honest another internal appointment would have been a disaster. I don't think high ranking Gardai will make it easy for him. Hopefully he's a tough nut who starts reform swiftly against a tide of resistance.

facehugger99

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

His dad, an RUC Superintendent, having being killed in an IRA attack would make him a bit of an odd choice to head up AGS alright -.

The IRA murdered members of AGS too.

Del.Monte

opinionated3 wrote: »

The RUC were utter scum as well, or had you forgotten that.

Generalisation much. :rolleyes:

[Deleted User]

timthumbni wrote: »

West brits????

Wtf are you a mod on exactly????? The drunk, crying, tricolour pants wearing republican forum?????.

Or *****, as most people refer to them

Hector Bellend