RIGOLO wrote: » The trade rebalancing has begun, some may call it a trade war, people have a penchant for 1930s and militarism I guess.
everlast75 wrote: » I'm tired of replying to content dumps by certain posters who then scurry away when asked for specifics, so I wanted to raise another issue. Would it be possible for all news networks, to refuse to give time to "surrogates" or spokespeople for politicians. I am bone weary of Trump's reps going on tv and spewing all sorts of BS without any back up. At least if those defending his position were elected representatives, they could be held to account in any future election. Instead, what we have is KAK and others lying through their teeth with absolutely zero consequences. It's nothing short of facilitating propaganda.
RIGOLO wrote: » ... The trade rebalancing has begun, some may call it a trade war, people have a penchant for 1930s and militarism I guess. ...
Leroy42 wrote: » But what is the alternative? That only elected people can speak? So the majority of voices in the media would have to be GOP in that case?
Leroy42 wrote: » The media need to do a better job at asking the follow up questions. It seems they prepare for an interview with a set of questions and will not deviate for it. There have been a few exceptions, I recall Jake Tapper cutting off Millar in some interview, and I know they do ask some follow up, but then after what seems like a set time they simply move on. They need to put more money into researchers who can feed the real info into the interviewers as they go. So KAC mentions Bowling Green Massacre. Hey we just checked Google, no such thing. Care to elaborate. When, how many were killed, you did it etc etc.
Captain_Crash wrote: » So you want the people crossing the border to respect the law, but the US themselves don't have to no??
20Cent wrote: » If you assume trump is not an idiot but there is reason behind what he does
Zubeneschamali wrote: » Ha ha ha! No. I am looking forward to the tell-all books in years to come - I am quite sure that however insane we imagine the White House is under Trump, it is actually much, much crazier than that.
20Cent wrote: » Interesting piece by Fintan O'Toole in the Irish Times today. If you assume trump is not an idiot but there is reason behind what he does (I'm not convinced of this tbh) the contention is that he is pushing the boundaries of acceptability to test the waters for full blown fascism. Seems his tests are working Fox and Murdock rolled right in supporting caging children. What else will they support him with, will it be too late before someone calls stop? Fintan O’Toole: Trial runs for fascism are in full flowhttps://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-trial-runs-for-fascism-are-in-full-flow-1.3543375
Early this year Harley-Davidson said they would move much of their plant operations in Kansas City to Thailand. That was long before Tariffs were announced. Hence, they were just using Tariffs/Trade War as an excuse. Shows how unbalanced & unfair trade is, but we will fix it. We are getting other countries to reduce and eliminate tariffs and trade barriers that have been unfairly used for years against our farmers, workers and companies. We are opening up closed markets and expanding our footprint. They must play fair or they will pay tariffs! When I had Harley-Davidson officials over to the White House, I chided them about tariffs in other countries, like India, being too high. Companies are now coming back to America. Harley must know that they won’t be able to sell back into U.S. without paying a big tax! We are finishing our study of Tariffs on cars from the E.U. in that they have long taken advantage of the U.S. in the form of Trade Barriers and Tariffs. In the end it will all even out - and it won’t take very long! A Harley-Davidson should never be built in another country-never! Their employees and customers are already very angry at them. If they move, watch, it will be the beginning of the end - they surrendered, they quit! The Aura will be gone and they will be taxed like never before!
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Unless he convinces the military, which he won't. With a few possible and notable exceptions (Kelly and Flynn spring to mind), the generals wouldn't support a dictatorship.
Gwen Cooper wrote: » Donald currently going through a Twitter temper tantrum about Harley-Davidson. I'm thinking about getting popcorn.
aloyisious wrote: » Does anyone know if the Harley plants will be on the continent [north or south of US borders] or on another continent?
Gwen Cooper wrote: » Donald currently going through a Twitter temper tantrum about Harley-Davidson. Early this year Harley-Davidson said they would move much of their plant operations in Kansas City to Thailand. That was long before Tariffs were announced. Hence, they were just using Tariffs/Trade War as an excuse. Shows how unbalanced & unfair trade is, but we will fix it. We are getting other countries to reduce and eliminate tariffs and trade barriers that have been unfairly used for years against our farmers, workers and companies. We are opening up closed markets and expanding our footprint. They must play fair or they will pay tariffs! When I had Harley-Davidson officials over to the White House, I chided them about tariffs in other countries, like India, being too high. Companies are now coming back to America. Harley must know that they won’t be able to sell back into U.S. without paying a big tax! We are finishing our study of Tariffs on cars from the E.U. in that they have long taken advantage of the U.S. in the form of Trade Barriers and Tariffs. In the end it will all even out - and it won’t take very long! A Harley-Davidson should never be built in another country-never! Their employees and customers are already very angry at them. If they move, watch, it will be the beginning of the end - they surrendered, they quit! The Aura will be gone and they will be taxed like never before! I'm thinking about getting popcorn.
VinLieger wrote: » They already have a setup in Brazil and somewhere else in Asia, I presume they will go wherever currently has the friendliest trade setup with the EU and they already have a base of operations.
everlast75 wrote: » Members of the party? Somebody more accountable than a mouthpiece who can spout nonsense and not face any consequences perhaps. Agreed. Here is a prime example
manual_man wrote: » Nowhere in my post did I suggest that and you know that. 10/10 to you for nonsense hyperbole though. I guess addressing the actual point I made would have taken a little bit more effort.
manual_man wrote: » I think you're really out of touch here. A major, if not THE major issue that Trump got elected on was his stance on illegal immigration and wanting to clamp down on it. I honestly can't buy the idea that non citizens that have just broken a serious international law by crossing a border illegally should have the right to a day in court (at yet MORE expense to the state) in relation to their said breaking of the law - it's absolutely absurd. Now don't get me wrong, i know there's people that genuinely want a better life and may be in danger in their home countries, but i don't believe that any country should ever be forced to accept ANYONE who crosses illegally. A nation gets to choose who they take in and that's how it should be. Respect the law. Go through the legal ports of entry like other people do and apply. It's not complicated.
Igotadose wrote: » Just watch the last minute. Trumplodyte spokes-hag: "Obama separated families. His DHS chief Jay Johnson said so." CNN guy: "Here's the interview with him" CNN plays the interview where he says, "No, we didn't have this policy, wouldn't allow it, rare cases due to health and safety reasons." CNN guy: "Fact. Fact. Fact." Spokes-hag: "I don't remember what I read. I'll tweet it." end of interview.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » The most telling and symbolic part of that is "I'll tweet it." A perfect summation of The Donald's White House.
So those arguing for Trump, you need to consider that none of the points that you are making have anything to do with Trumps position.
everlast75 wrote: » well if there is an argument to strengthen the border, or augment current practice, then how about this wild idea - educate people at the rallies, or through civil spokespersons with logic and facts. You and I both know however that Trump's approach is to whip up a frenzy using hyperbole and lies. What you should know is that's incitement to hatred to those that have sleeper racist cells in their bodies. Take the ****ing higher ground for once, instead of always trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Carry out independent studies, produce bi-partisan reports. That won't be done though, and anyone who can't see reasoned and factual debate as the way forward are rubbing their grubby little mitts at what is happening in the U.S. right now.
Once they enter the US, they are protected under the US constitution, which gives them the right to a day in court!
I honestly can't buy the idea that non citizens that have just broken a serious international law by crossing a border illegally should have the right to a day in court
They have a right to try and claim refugee status. That doesn't come down to you to decide (thankfully). They have a right to a hearing.
robinph wrote: » They were talking over each other at that point, but I thought he was making fun of her and suggesting that if she were to tweet it then it would make it true as after the clip was played she suddenly wasn't quite so sure of her stance on what the guy had said.
Manic Moran wrote: » Your two positions are not mutually exclusive. They have a right to a hearing. However, in order to avail themselves of that right, they must follow the processes to do so, and CBP has made it relatively easy: Walk up to them and say "Hi! I'm claiming asylum". Illegally crossing the border without good cause waives that right.
Igotadose wrote: » Since when? It's the US - you commit a crime, you have rights. You can never wave them.
Manic Moran wrote: » Oh, I agree, there is little to be said for Trump's... public awareness methodology. The GOP as a whole is rather disappointing on this. However, the Democratic party isn't much better, so I am very much in the 'a pox on both their houses' position.
Manic Moran wrote: » However, since I cannot really affect the operations of government beyond my occasional vote and email, the best I can do, just like pretty much everyone else on this thread, is conduct myself as best I can and hope that some folks are receptive to the evidence-based argument. However, I'm not sure that's happening, as anything posted against the anti-Trump rhetoric seems immediately to be poisonous to many folks.
Hande hoche! wrote: » https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/26/politics/travel-ban-supreme-court/index.html?adkey=bn Travel ban allowed by the Supreme court. Will be curious as to how long North Korea remains on the list.
