Taytoland wrote: » But not everyone who is Irish sees that as their national anthem. We need equality and respect, God save the Queen should be played.
irelandrover wrote: » But they play the English anthem for the English team. They do not play the English anthem before a premiership match.
irelandrover wrote: » Taytoland wrote: » But not everyone who is Irish sees that as their national anthem. We need equality and respect, God save the Queen should be played. And what about New York? We need no national anthem played.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Gaelic is our national game, and the GAA sees itself as an Irish cultural expression. If they play Australia they will play both anthems. Imagine! This nationalist organisation allowed God Saves The Queen to be played in Croke Park and welcomed said Queen to it's grounds. Something is not quite right here!
Taytoland wrote: » If a national anthem needs played, then it should include God save the Queen. Same with NI matches for anyone who sees the Irish anthem representing them should be played too. If it's about equality and respect, then that is the logical conclusion you can only come to. The GAA need to represent us.
Donald Trump wrote: » Taytoland wrote: » If a national anthem needs played, then it should include God save the Queen. Same with NI matches for anyone who sees the Irish anthem representing them should be played too. If it's about equality and respect, then that is the logical conclusion you can only come to. The GAA need to represent us. I don't go to your party and tell you what music to play. Similarly, don't come to mine and tell me what to play. You are invited and welcome to attend, but you don't get to choose the music. We won't play anything that offends you but with we indulge you with your shite
Taytoland wrote: » It's not ****e, it's my national anthem. I'd like to be represented, equality and respect please. It's all I ask for. The GAA should include both anthems for the people on this Island.
Donald Trump wrote: » Taytoland wrote: » It's not ****e, it's my national anthem. I'd like to be represented, equality and respect please. It's all I ask for. The GAA should include both anthems for the people on this Island. So do you want it played at every event you attend? Will you get the hump if you visit the US and go to a baseball match and it isn't played? Teach the Orange Order marching bands to play Amhrán na bhFiann first and then come back to us. And campaign for it to be played at any UK event. Seeing as how it represents a portion of the UK citizenship it should be played at every UK event? No?
Taytoland wrote: » GAA has to represent everyone and should play both anthems on big occasions.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Taytoland wrote: » GAA has to represent everyone and should play both anthems on big occasions. It has to represent it's members. How many have requested this?
Taytoland wrote: » I have written to my MP asking he take it up with the GAA and hopefully they can look to represent those from the orange tradition.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Taytoland wrote: » I have written to my MP asking he take it up with the GAA and hopefully they can look to represent those from the orange tradition. You didn't answer my question. How many members of the GAA have requested that GSTQ be played before matches?
Taytoland wrote: » We need to get more Prods into the GAA first Francie. I'd still like to see it happen. Hopefully they can open their hearts.
Ash.J.Williams wrote: » You're mixing up nationalist with just being Irish.
I'll give you an example, is wicklow gaa nationalistic...
Taytoland wrote: » Arlene had the Prod Irish minister with her and another DUP prod too, so it was easy pickings for her. I don't know any Prods here who play GAA or any clubs with substantial Prod players.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Taytoland wrote: » Arlene had the Prod Irish minister with her and another DUP prod too, so it was easy pickings for her. I don't know any Prods here who play GAA or any clubs with substantial Prod players. Heather Humphries is the local TD, and has never had a problem attending matches, she was there to welcome Arlene, as was Michelle Lynch and a whole host of people. I would say you made a good attempt to denigrate the GAA here Tayto, but you didn't. It was pretty dismal.
Taytoland wrote: » I don't know any Prods here who play GAA or any clubs with substantial Prod players.
alaimacerc wrote: » Nope. Other sporting bodies are Irish without being nationalist, overtly in their ethos and their rulebook. Or Irish bodies in general, if you're going to rule out everything sporty other than Gaa as "garrison games", hence "alien", hence "not Irish". And you're doing a Francie, and moving the goalposts from "nationalist" to "nationalistic"!
FrancieBrady wrote: » Heather Humphries is the local TD, and has never had a problem attending matches, [...]
FrancieBrady wrote: » www.dictionary.com/browse/nationalistic · tic. of, relating to, or promoting nationalism: the beginnings of a nationalist movement.
Another request for facts here: When is the last time the GAA referred to Horse racing, Greyhound racing and Soccer and Rugby as 'Garrison games' or 'alien'.
alaimacerc wrote: » You're raising problems of your own making again, the better to dismiss them. As opposed to people's actual points. HH is a Prod, not a unionist. Why would she have any difficulty attending Gaa matches?
alaimacerc wrote: » Well venue-shopped, but try a better dictionary. "Nationalist" was the claim, let's stick to "nationalist". The SDLP are an Irish Nationalist party, not an Irish Nationalistic party.
As already mentioned, "alien" appears in the material in rulebook appendices. But your "request for facts" would be better described as "another hard tack to a topic you think you'll take less of a hiding on, than your original ludicrously infeasible claims".
munsterlegend wrote: » Of course you have raised a necessary point that should be addressed. God Save the Queen should not be the anthem for a new inclusive agreed Northern Ireland now should it? A soccer club recently asked the Irish FA not to play it but were met with the usual silence. When Northern Ireland has an anthem that reflects its society perhaps then that can be played at GAA matches.
Trasna1 wrote: » I would have always considered the GAA to be a culturally nationalist apolitical organisation, though in and around NI the line gets blurred between the culture and the political.
I'd that a bad thing?
Hardly. Does it mean that it prevents the apprentice boys of Derry setting up a team? No. There are far more complex reasons around identity that means unionists generally don't play GAA, than a song and a flag.
alaimacerc wrote: » Trasna1 wrote: » I would have always considered the GAA to be a culturally nationalist apolitical organisation, though in and around NI the line gets blurred between the culture and the political. It's not apolitical, it's "non-party political", as the rulebook puts it. Big difference. Plenty of politics in the rest of that document itself, indeed! I'd that a bad thing? Who's saying Irish Nationalism is a bad thing!? We're just saying that Irish Nationalism is Irish Nationalism. Hence it's not a total surprise that even small-u unionism has an issue being asked to sign up to it, just to whack a ball around. Much as the likes of Francie would like to portray this in "don't want to have a Catholic about the place" terms. Hardly. Does it mean that it prevents the apprentice boys of Derry setting up a team? No. There are far more complex reasons around identity that means unionists generally don't play GAA, than a song and a flag. Sure. Like the rest of the Gaa rulebook, for example. How could the Apprentice Boys in good faith sign up to a document that makes an irredentist claim over their little statelet, that they rather stridently see as British?
alaimacerc wrote: » That's not a bad idea, but the trouble is it's likely to satisfy neither side. Look at all the carping there is about Ireland's Call from the rugger buggers.
