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Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

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TomOnBoard

Overheal wrote: »

Sarah Huckabee Sanders and her party of 7 were removed from an eatery in Lexington last night called the Red Hen. The owner cited his strong moral convictions in refusing to serve her.

Naturally, Trump supporters who pride themselves on political incorrectness and the ability to refuse hardware and wedding cake access to gays took this news on the chin - leaping on review sites like Yelp and spamming bad reviews of which included onerous claims like the restaurant cooked and served baby parts. Naturally, liberals were mocked for being intolerant and outlandish claims that businesses have no right to refuse service, with no sense of irony whatsoever.

Poor Sarah! She tries to get some downtime from licking the Orange Chicken in the WH, and ends up in the Red Hen where the owner gives her the Bird. Wouldn't ya have to feel pity for her!!

Corkblowin

Nox wrote: »

… there is no punishment for the rumor spreaders should the rumors prove false.

Just as well - DJT would be in even more bother

Nox

everlast75 wrote: »

So there are numerous rumours that in the Cohen's tapes, DJT uses the n word reportedly.

Speculating here, what do you think the political reaction to that would be? Explosive, or barely a blip.

Should it happen that the 'numerous rumors' are true, then an 'October surprise' will certainly manifest itself. However, until that time, this is nothing more than the 24/7 hate the POTUS blather from the left. BTW … there is no punishment for the rumor spreaders should the rumors prove false.

Overheal

Sarah Huckabee Sanders and her party of 7 were removed from an eatery in Lexington last night called the Red Hen. The owner cited his strong moral convictions in refusing to serve her.

Naturally, Trump supporters who pride themselves on political incorrectness and the ability to refuse hardware and wedding cake access to gays took this news on the chin - leaping on review sites like Yelp and spamming bad reviews of which included onerous claims like the restaurant cooked and served baby parts. Naturally, liberals were mocked for being intolerant and outlandish claims that businesses have no right to refuse service, with no sense of irony whatsoever.

Nox

Thargor wrote: »

Nox wrote: »

OK … my opinion is that I will assume nothing. What you are trying to do is go off on some tangent. I stand by what I have twice previously stated … many people can cry on demand. Once before I stated that I was not there and I have no idea what the crying was about. All of the hypotheticals which are being tossed my way are just that … hypothetical. And some recording played on a supposed 'news channel' proves nothing other than crying. Another poster stupidly asked about myself and 4-year-olds. Yep, been there and done that … also have had the misfortune of listening to temper tantrums. Lots of crying there in case you haven't yet had the misfortune of being around one. Oh yeah, I've also heard the crying from the "will work for food" panhandlers wearing their Nike's and cargo pants. Talk about crying on demand.

I don't need to or want to know YOUR opinion … you've made it crystal clear already. BTW … have you been to the border to get a first hand look or are you just gobbling up the press pablum?

Jesus...

My screen name, Nox, is not my real name. This is the first time I have been identified with a name associated with a deity. I guess I should take it as a genuine compliment, however, if you try praying in my name, your chances of getting past St. Peter are greatly diminished.

amandstu

I wonder what this is

"There are few things more gratifying in my role as an advocate than when a whistleblower trusts me with explosive information (docs, images, etc.) and looks to me to ensure it is released for maximum impact for the public good. Today is another such day. #BuckleUp #Basta"

just now on Avenatti's feed.

Captain Obvious

20Cent wrote: »

Gas.
Being more outraged about a photo than this heartless policy.

The Time cover never mentioned the policy. It says "Welcome to America". This is a photo of a girl who was stopped with her family crying while they were being detained. The photo is completely appropriate and correct in that context. Not sure what the issue is over it.

Celticfire

B0jangles wrote: »

It almost feels like when a police team are trying to prosecute a gang of criminals - the police have to dot every i, cross every t and never ever do anything that could be construed as cutting corners in the process of building a case for fear of destroying the whole thing, whereas the criminals can do whatever the hell they like to avoid being caught because they are fecking criminals and that's just what they do - this latest kefuffle over the Time magazine cover is an example of what I mean.

The standard of behaviour expected of Trump and the GOP is laughably, ridiculously lower than that expected of the mainstream media.

This is more akin to the Police knowingly using false evidence in a deceitful and dishonest way to try to influence a Jury.To try to portray it as forgetting to dot an i or cross a t is a stretch at best. It was a deceitful and deliberate attempt to push their message.

Oh, and lets not forget this wonderful parent fled from NO significant, individual, personal risks ... did not tell her husband she was leaving, and abandoned 3 other of her children ...

Leroy42

Nox wrote: »

You might want to reread what I wrote about getting the full story on the cover of Time magazine. The picture on the cover is photo-shopped to justify an agenda. The girl was not 'ripped' from her mother. The girl was ALWAYS with her mother. The girls mother had previously been deported.

The rest of your tripe is put in to obfuscate what I said.

You might consider taking a reading comprehension course.

This is what you originally posted

What you need is the full story behind the Time magazine cover. The media is so convoluting this story that it is clouding what is really going on.

I am asking you what you think the has been convoluted and clouded the real story.

I asked you which part of the media narrative you disagreed with. You failed to answer any of it.

So I ask again, if the story is not as being reported then why do you think Trump crumbled under the pressure? Is he so weak that in the face of such lies he simply gives in on a key plank of his administrations policy.

That he was so quick to turn his back on all those people that are being effected by such terrible rates of crime.

So which is it. Is the story made up and Trump has been shown as a pathetically weak leader or is the story true, and Trump has been shown to be totally wrong in his judgement?

What is it that is really going on? It has already been explained to you that the picture is not the real issue, it presents the situation. You do realise that there is not actually going to be a picture of Trump standing beside one of the children locked in the camps?

And remember this quote from SHS

"Whether it's a real video, the threat is real," she said, and the president's "goal is to promote strong border security and strong national security."

Can you give your version of the story and how it has been clouded?

PopePalpatine

everlast75 wrote: »

So there are numerous rumours that in the Cohen's tapes, DJT uses the n word reportedly.

Speculating here, what do you think the political reaction to that would be? Explosive, or barely a blip.

My money's on one of two responses:
1) "lol, snowflake libs, it's just a word! Muh free speech!"
2) "But we get racial epithets too! One brown person said I think mayonnaise is too spicy!"

Gbear

B0jangles wrote: »

It almost feels like when a police team are trying to prosecute a gang of criminals - the police have to dot every i, cross every t and never ever do anything that could be construed as cutting corners in the process of building a case for fear of destroying the whole thing, whereas the criminals can do whatever the hell they like to avoid being caught because they are fecking criminals and that's just what they do - this latest kefuffle over the Time magazine cover is an example of what I mean.

The standard of behaviour expected of Trump and the GOP is laughably, ridiculously lower than that expected of the mainstream media.

Similarly, if the police aren't seen to be above board their careers will be over and their families will leave them, because they hold each other to a certain standard, whereas the criminals' cohorts won't care.

If the Democrats lowered themselves to the level of the Republicans , they'd haemorrhage support, while the core of the Republicans' don't really have any standards of decency to which they hold people, so it doesn't matter a fig what they get up to.

B0jangles

It almost feels like when a police team are trying to prosecute a gang of criminals - the police have to dot every i, cross every t and never ever do anything that could be construed as cutting corners in the process of building a case for fear of destroying the whole thing, whereas the criminals can do whatever the hell they like to avoid being caught because they are fecking criminals and that's just what they do - this latest kefuffle over the Time magazine cover is an example of what I mean.

The standard of behaviour expected of Trump and the GOP is laughably, ridiculously lower than that expected of the mainstream media.

Igotadose

20Cent wrote: »

Gas.
Being more outraged about a photo than this heartless policy.

Yeah, tGOP snowflakism at its worse. While the POTUS jokes around at a media event he created with the families of deceased crime victims. Perhaps someone failed to give him his 'feelings' card like the one he had during the meeting with the Parkland survivors.

TomOnBoard

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Now I feel bad for Tom Arnold.

https://twitter.com/MichaelCohen212/status/1010318675751120896

Poor ould Tom Arnold!! Clearly, a couple of years married to Roseanne Barr does nothing for either your credibility or sanity. Mind you, it was a good story for a few days. I'd say it fairly blew the wind up Rudi's skirt!

PropJoe10

It's just the continuous level of stupidity in this administration that keeps the criticism going. Constant lies, and when you see the First Lady visiting an immigrant camp with "I Don't Care" on the back of her jacket, then there isn't much left to say, honestly. Imagine what Fox News would've said if Michelle Obama had done that. Crazy times we live in.

20Cent

Gas.
Being more outraged about a photo than this heartless policy.

TomOnBoard

Time mag was stupid or just plain lazy. They used a photo of a crying toddler to make a point. The child was used in the photo as a representative child for Trump's change of policy that had resulted in 2,000+ children being taken from their parents since April. It's been know for some days that the child in the photo was not one of those forcibly removed. Accordingly, an otherwise interesting commentary on current events fell into the category of mis-reporting or outright 'fake news'.

If Trump is to be accused (correctly in my view) for misrepresenting facts or outright lying, then those who make that accusation ought to be squeaky clean themselves. On this occasion, Time fcuked up big-Time! No excuse.

Captain Obvious

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But it's just more fuel for Trump and his base with the theme that their is a fake news conspiarcy out there to get him.

Surely they could have done better than that.

Anyone who still supports Trump is not really for turning anyway.

Nox wrote: »

Do you remember the Jesse Jackson speech about 'Big Bad Brother'? Even the "civil rights" leaders agree with you.

Were you at Jesse Jacksons speech yourself?

Nox wrote: »

You might want to reread what I wrote about getting the full story on the cover of Time magazine. The picture on the cover is photo-shopped to justify an agenda. The girl was not 'ripped' from her mother. The girl was ALWAYS with her mother. The girls mother had previously been deported.

The rest of your tripe is put in to obfuscate what I said.

You might consider taking a reading comprehension course.

Sorry, how do you know what happened to the girl? Where you there? You've already stated how you cannot believe something unless you were actually there to witness it. You wouldn't want to assume now would you?

Hande hoche!

everlast75 wrote: »

So there are numerous rumours that in the Cohen's tapes, DJT uses the n word reportedly.

Speculating here, what do you think the political reaction to that would be? Explosive, or barely a blip.

Would dominate the news for about a week with this administration. Imagine there have been lessons learnt from the access tapes, in that it would be a week or two before elections that they are released.

Still remember rumours in 2016 about tapes featuring n words doing the rounds. Might be something too it or it might be phantoms.

everlast75

So there are numerous rumours that in the Cohen's tapes, DJT uses the n word reportedly.

Speculating here, what do you think the political reaction to that would be? Explosive, or barely a blip.

everlast75

Nox wrote: »

You might want to reread what I wrote about getting the full story on the cover of Time magazine. The picture on the cover is photo-shopped to justify an agenda. The girl was not 'ripped' from her mother. The girl was ALWAYS with her mother. The girls mother had previously been deported.

The rest of your post is absolutely spot on

Fixed your post.
You're welcome.

Nox

Leroy42 wrote: »

Nox wrote: »

Leroy42 wrote: »

Are you really saying Nox that you couldn't envisage children without their parents crying without being done on purpose?

Seriously, that you would need to be in that situation to see if it was possible.

You don't need to assume anything. We know that children are heavily reliant on having the knowledge that their parent is close by. Even when playing they will look occassionally to ensure that the parent is still around. And that they become panicked and scared when lost.

Have you never witnessed a child separated from its parent in a shopping centre?

It is simply not credible for you to claim any of that. The only conclusion is that you are avoiding admitting it as it doesn't suit the narrative you are trying to state.

What you need is the full story behind the Time magazine cover. The media is so convoluting this story that it is clouding what is really going on.

So you think the story is made up or exaggerated? Which part?
That children were taken away from their parents?
That they were put in camps?
That they cried because they were scared and alone?

Because if you really do believe its all fake news, then why did Trump buckle under the pressure and give in?

He even went as far as having a PR signing of an EO to sort out a made up problem.

Thats your position?

You might want to reread what I wrote about getting the full story on the cover of Time magazine. The picture on the cover is photo-shopped to justify an agenda. The girl was not 'ripped' from her mother. The girl was ALWAYS with her mother. The girls mother had previously been deported.

The rest of your tripe is put in to obfuscate what I said.

You might consider taking a reading comprehension course.

Hande hoche!

Now I feel bad for Tom Arnold.

https://twitter.com/MichaelCohen212/status/1010318675751120896

WinnyThePoo

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

lol. How the hell could it be incidental? It's outright propaganda.

Ah yes, invoke Hitler and the Nazis.

The image is suggesting that Trump is responsible for something he is not. If someone had done this in the Obama campaign, liberals would have been up in arms, asking if the family gave permission for the child's image to be used, along with the usual sanctimonious hand wringing.

This isn't the only example of this in recent times either. Photos of children in enclosed cages were circulated recently as an example of Trump's 'cruel policies towards immigrants' but the images were in fact from 2014.

Getting desperate of late. Barrel scraping is never a good look.

So its all the 'Liberals' fault. Fascinating . Have you ever heard of Jeff Sessions?

Rhineshark

Please processing hamsters, can I post in here at least? What foul things did that link do to you?!!

Leroy42

Nox wrote: »

Leroy42 wrote: »

Are you really saying Nox that you couldn't envisage children without their parents crying without being done on purpose?

Seriously, that you would need to be in that situation to see if it was possible.

You don't need to assume anything. We know that children are heavily reliant on having the knowledge that their parent is close by. Even when playing they will look occassionally to ensure that the parent is still around. And that they become panicked and scared when lost.

Have you never witnessed a child separated from its parent in a shopping centre?

It is simply not credible for you to claim any of that. The only conclusion is that you are avoiding admitting it as it doesn't suit the narrative you are trying to state.

What you need is the full story behind the Time magazine cover. The media is so convoluting this story that it is clouding what is really going on.

So you think the story is made up or exaggerated? Which part?
That children were taken away from their parents?
That they were put in camps?
That they cried because they were scared and alone?

Because if you really do believe its all fake news, then why did Trump buckle under the pressure and give in?

He even went as far as having a PR signing of an EO to sort out a made up problem.

Thats your position?

20Cent

Nox wrote: »

What you need is the full story behind the Time magazine cover. The media is so convoluting this story that it is clouding what is really going on.

Trump himself has said it's a bad thing and signed something to supposedly stop it. A tough thing about supporting trump is one day you're saying something didn't happen or it isn't an issue the next day he's reversed his position and the opposite is true.

Hande hoche!

Nox wrote: »

Hmmm … a totally blue state. I'm sure President Donald J Trump will consider suicide because of it.

Yeah, there was talk of states introducing systems where the winner of the national popular vote would get the state's electoral college votes. Haven't heard much of it lately. Both proposals seem very reactionary.

UsedToWait wrote: »

Tom Arnold trolling the sh1t out of Trump on CNN.
Apparently he's making a documentary with Michael Cohen.

Says Trump has disrespected Cohen and his family.
Saying he has the full story, tapes and all and addressing Trump directly to camera - "I'm spending the weekend with Michael Cohen.
Hope you and Ivanka can sleep tonight"..

Grade A trolling if nothing else, but hopefully an indication that Cohen has flipped.

Edit:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/michael-cohen-tom-arnold-trump-tapes-2018-6?r=US&IR=T

Yeah he was chasing "the tapes" since the access Hollywood recording came out. Supposed to be doing a show with Vice. The poor chap seemed quite disturbed on the clips I have seen. Wouldn't be so sure if that was purposeful trolling.

Hande hoche!

UsedToWait wrote: »

Tom Arnold trolling the sh1t out of Trump on CNN.
Apparently he's making a documentary with Michael Cohen.

Says Trump has disrespected Cohen and his family.
Saying he has the full story, tapes and all and addressing Trump directly to camera - "I'm spending the weekend with Michael Cohen.
Hope you and Ivanka can sleep tonight"..

Grade A trolling if nothing else, but hopefully an indication that Cohen has flipped.

Edit:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/michael-cohen-tom-arnold-trump-tapes-2018-6?r=US&IR=T

Sure Tom Arnold has been chasing "the tapes" since the Access Hollywood recording came out. Was supposed to be doing a show with Vice. He didn't seem particularly well in his latest TV appearances.

StringerBell

mattser wrote: »

Can you translate that into English, please?

It is pretty simple English, if you can't understand it I'm afraid the problem is on your end and it would be unfair to expect people to spoon feed you information.