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Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

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New thread ladsðŸ˜ŠðŸ˜Š Any update on injuries for this weekends game?

Mod edit: Given how the last thread descended into chaos, we are going to leave that closed and start afresh

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mountgomery burns

Tommy Ryan started against Cork in the all ireland quarter final in 2012.

tommylad1212

the hurling county final is fixed for 7th oct football final week later 14 th oct

Giveitfong

Last Sunday’s game against Cork in Thurles was quite enjoyable, although, as Donal O’Grady observed in the Examiner, it lacked the intense edge of a real championship occasion. It was surreal being at a Munster Championship match involving Waterford where my heart was not in my mouth as the game went down to the wire.

Waterford played some good hurling, especially in the first half, but overall Cork were clearly the better team. As usual they were well-organised, working the ball through the lines to create loads of scoring opportunities. However, their shooting was way off, while Waterford’s was unusually good, as reflected in Cork’s wide tally of seventeen compared with just seven for Waterford.

A lot of Waterford’s points came from out the field, or were gifts from sloppy play in the Cork defence. As ever, Waterford rarely exerted pressure close to the Cork goal. Cork’s sloppiness and wayward shooting indicated a team which may have thought that all they had to do was to turn up to win the game. However, when push came to shove they came good in the closing stages, which you would expect as the result meant a lot to them. Also Waterford ran out of steam towards the end, as the exertions of four games in four weeks clearly began to tell. The GAA will surely have to make some adjustments to the playing schedule in next year’s championship.

With Cork being so wasteful, Waterford could well have won the game. Just after half time, Tommy Ryan passed up a tap-over point and appeared to go for goal off his weaker left side which Anthony Nash dealt with comfortably. Immediately afterwards Pauric Mahony had a straightforward scoring chance which he would normally nail, but underhit his shot into Nash’s hand. If Waterford had got these two points it could have changed the dynamics of the closing stages by putting extra pressure on Cork.

On top of that, Seamus Harnedy’s goal should never have been allowed. After initially taking the ball into hand, he then handled the ball again before taking six clear strides before shooting to the net. Even if, as some have suggested, he handled the ball again during these strides (not obvious on TV) it would have been a foul for handling the ball three times. Overall, it was terrible refereeing, and variation between referees in their toleration of overcarrying has become a major problem (as has poor umpiring, which has been particularly evident this year).

Obviously the highlight of the game, from a Waterford point of view, was the outstanding performance of Tommy Ryan in what may have been his first championship start (I am open to correction on this). When he first came on the scene I thought Ryan was too small and light to make it at this level, but he is certainly a lot stronger now. He does have a tendency to go it alone. When he went for the long-distance shot late in the game which was blocked down (leading to Patrick Horgan shooting Cork into the lead), if he had looked up he might have spotted Tom Devine who was completely on his own on the left wing and calling for the ball.

Devine really upped his game this year. His first touch and shooting have been top drawer. He will be a big loss if he is not available next year.

After early jitters, and despite some naivety which one would expect, I thought that Seamus Keating did well when brought on to replace Noel Connors. One would have to ask why more use was not made of him when Waterford were hit with their injured defenders crisis.

An interesting aspect of last weekend was that the two teams which were full of energy and sharp as tacks in Limerick the previous week (the Limerick seniors and Waterford minors) both were totally flat against Clare and Cork, respectively. The way entire teams can collectively be affected like this is a fascinating aspect of sport. There was less at stake for Limerick who would still have been in the championship regardless of their result. I am amazed at the way Clare have been hyped up by the media pundits after this game, given how poor Limerick were.

Apart from the fact that Waterford minors had to play four games in four weeks, consistency between games is rarer at this level. Bad and all as they were playing, they still dominated the early stages of their game against Cork, but had some really bad misses. As happens in these situations, Cork (who had zero confidence starting the game, a rare occurrence in teams from that county) managed to put some scores on the board and you could see them gaining self-belief and eventually taking over completely.

I was surprised to see Caolán Mac Craith being hauled ashore when the game just might still have been retrievable. While things had not been going well for him (mainly a result of poor supply from out the field), he was the one member of the Waterford team with a bit of X factor who might have been able to grab a goal or two out of nothing.

It is ironic that the two teams which Waterford beat in this championship, Tipperary and Limerick, are now in the Munster final. They did show a lot of quality against Limerick, and along with the good showing of the under 21s on Wednesday, it is clear that the production of good young hurlers in the county did not cease in 2013, as some people (including Derek McGrath) seem to think.

Finally, assuming that last Sunday was his last game for Waterford, I salute and thank Brick Walsh for his enormous contribution to Waterford hurling over the last 15 years.

Mastermcgrath

Don’t know where this Cummins stuff is coming from. I know he is well acquainted with Paddy Joe Ryan, Fourmilewater and Ardfinnan where Cummins is from being neighbouring parishes as the crow flies aswell. Maybe people are putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5. From what I hear there is a panel being put in place to decide upon and interview numerous candidates. There is no single person being touted at this stage, and don’t expect to see a new appointment for a number of months yet.

Deiseen

PTH2009 wrote: »

Bigsliothar wrote: »

anyone have a timeframe for new management to be in place??

Heard they want to have it finalised by the county senior hurling final which will prob be end of Sep/October

The county final will be sorted well before that with all intercounty teams out of championship.

PTH2009

Bigsliothar wrote: »

anyone have a timeframe for new management to be in place??

Heard they want to have it finalised by the county senior hurling final which will prob be end of Sep/October

Bigsliothar

anyone have a timeframe for new management to be in place??

mickmackmcgoo

PTH2009 wrote:

We don't have the â‚¬â‚¬â‚¬ for anyone outside of the county. I'd go for Sean Power with an experienced backroom team

Jjjjjjjbarry wrote:

Sean Power and a good team around him is the way to go for me. Nothing against Cummins as heâ€™s a legend and would be a good PR man but at the end of the day heâ€™d only be cutting his teeth to prepare for the Tipp job to follow. That might not be a bad thing but Iâ€™d rather go with someone with a track record of bringing medals back to the DÃ©ise. I also think itâ€™d be odd to have another ex goalkeeper in charge. Sure theyâ€™re all mad Ã°Å¸Ëœá‚’

But when ye both say experienced and good backroom team are ye talking about people from inside or outside the county ?
Some of the names that have been mentioned from inside and outside would want the main position rather than selector or advisor etc

Jjjjjjjbarry

Sean Power and a good team around him is the way to go for me. Nothing against Cummins as he’s a legend and would be a good PR man but at the end of the day he’d only be cutting his teeth to prepare for the Tipp job to follow. That might not be a bad thing but I’d rather go with someone with a track record of bringing medals back to the Déise. I also think it’d be odd to have another ex goalkeeper in charge. Sure they’re all mad ðŸ˜႒

PTH2009

Deisedozzer wrote: »

Seán Power has zero senior experience. I'm not coming out in favour of Cummins, just don't see why so many are excluding him. Personally I don't think there is anyone good enough within the County to do the job.

We don't have the €€€ for anyone outside of the county. I'd go for Sean Power with an experienced backroom team

Deisedozzer

Blaas4life wrote: »

And what management experience has he??

Seems alot of city clubs coming around to sean power from what I hear in work anywayz

Seán Power has zero senior experience. I'm not coming out in favour of Cummins, just don't see why so many are excluding him. Personally I don't think there is anyone good enough within the County to do the job.

Blaas4life

Deisedozzer wrote: »

I would be far from a fan of Tipperary but don't see why there is such opposition to Brendan Cummins being in the running? He has experience of winning all irelands which nobody in our county has.

And what management experience has he??

Seems alot of city clubs coming around to sean power from what I hear in work anywayz

Deisedozzer

I would be far from a fan of Tipperary but don't see why there is such opposition to Brendan Cummins being in the running? He has experience of winning all irelands which nobody in our county has.

KevIRL

Footballers outclassed today. 5-21 to 0-9 full time

hurler on de ditch

PTH2009 wrote: »

cul beag wrote: »

And big Dan is throwing his hat in the ring so it’s makes for great viewing!

Hope it's not true

Great right hand man/selector but not as manager

Sean Power my favourite to get it and to have most of the same backroom team as the under 21s. The squad could have great respect for Sean as most of them were part of his AI winning minor and under 21s

seriously a great right hand man, not so sure , he was more of a yes man than anything else , he looked more of a gofer than someone Mc Grath would actually listen too, we don't know the facts at all if any if Dan tried to influence Mc Grath to hurl in any kind of a positive manner or was he just there to run around screaming at everyone to get back, like I said we don't know the facts, but he was in the set up all the way and played his part in what can only be described as puke hurling , basically playing Football/rugby with hurlies ,let's hope we never see it again , nearly 10 years of it now , let's hope when Mc Grath cleans out his desk he brings with him every yes man , that was associated with him , I remember Paul Flynn writing for one of our local rags about Davy Fitz ,that he believed that he dragged Waterford back 30 years , add to that the damage Mc Grath has done and we'll do well to climb out of this hurling quick sand, here's to a new manager who ever it will be and the very best of luck to him , looking forward to next years league already,its a shame that that it didn't work out for him and I hope he does well wherever he goes , he seems like a decent fella , but a decent intercounty hurling MANAGER he is not , and his record will show that , very very average altogether , onwards and upwards ,

PTH2009

cul beag wrote: »

And big Dan is throwing his hat in the ring so it’s makes for great viewing!

Hope it's not true

Great right hand man/selector but not as manager

Sean Power my favourite to get it and to have most of the same backroom team as the under 21s. The squad could have great respect for Sean as most of them were part of his AI winning minor and under 21s

cul beag

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Sure last week Derek was staying...

And big Dan is throwing his hat in the ring so it’s makes for great viewing!

mountgomery burns

KevIRL wrote: »

3-22 0-1 full time

To who?

3-22 0-1 full time

We got a point

1.15 to no score

3ships wrote: »

Kerry 1-11 waterford 0-0 ht

Ffs but I imagine the team barley had time to prepare

Best of luck to the seniors tomorrow against Monaghan. Sadly can't make it myself but hopefully they get a good crowd and give a good account of themselves

3ships

Kerry 1-11 waterford 0-0 ht

mountgomery burns

Sure last week Derek was staying...

Jjjjjjjbarry

cul beag wrote: »

This Brendan Cummins thing is seriously gathering pace. More than a rumour at this stage. Scary.

Probably be negative and stop SOK from scoring ðŸ˜¡

cul beag

This Brendan Cummins thing is seriously gathering pace. More than a rumour at this stage. Scary.

38gitS

We can see now that the new format requires a different approach in terms of management from the old system.
It’s deficient in that two teams play on four consecutive weekends while the other three have no more than three games week on week.
The odd number of teams means that over time, the effect won’t be negated even if the Munster council tried.
This was and will continue to be significant unless adjusted.
The tight nature of qualification and the effect of local rivalry means that each and every game is highly contested with a “win or bust” attitude.
This has the effect of requiring a high degree of mental focus from players. For amateur players, this is a tall ask.
management will learn to focus on physical recovery but preventing psychological fatigue is far more difficult.
In a number of cases, it may require changing players week on week.
For good management teams this will be an edge, but the spadework must be done during the league in blooding these “seconds”. Then they must be kept ready for their entry.
I would have expected that Derek McGrath was mindful of the demands that his hand required this year. Unfortunately as we know, he can’t have anticipated using just so many of his training group and all at once.
I think we were also going to see a move away from the out and out sweeper so it’s double the pity.
So we look for a new manager.
The key question we need to ask now is what’s the most important aspect of his job with our players?
To me, it’s giving our hurling a direction.
This is first.
Second comes everything else.

Mastermcgrath

So lads, first time back on here since the last thread closed.... took a break altogether from it for a few weeks (I was probably one of the lads who needed a break lol..) Obviously a lot has happened in between. Were out of the championship and McGrath is gone and its only half way through June.could hardly have predicted that after the AI final last September.
Can't help but resonate with some of what Loughnane says. And Im not or was never one of the anti-McGrath canvassers. But the fawning after him was a bit overboard. He was popular with the players for sure and very media friendly as we know, but success-wise we fell short too many times.
The league win in 2015 and AI final appearance last year were the high points. I have no problem with the style of play if it brings us success but when we were falling short consistently it was time to go. Mind you with the luck we got this year no one could have pulled it of for us so I don't blame him for the early exit either. Derek is one of the games good guys for sure and I thank him for his efforts, but as an intercounty hurling manager he has proven to be fairly limited.
So who next? Sean Powers name is being strongly mentioned. And in theory is entitled to have a go having tasted AI success with many of these players at minor and u21 level playing a swashbuckling brand of hurling. Clare and Limerick have both gone down the route of appointing successful underage managers and both seem to be moving in the right direction. But Id approach this with caution. Bear in mind Power had probably the most talented group of players the county has seen at underage level, and his 2 subsequent u21 teams didn't see any success. Senior intercounty is a whole other world and he would need a strong backroom team behind him if he got the job. And I don't mean Dan as a right hand man!!!
I don't believe the co. board have the funds to go for an Anthony Daly or a Liam Sheedy, especially with the refurbishment of Walsh Park on the horizon. So that makes the next appointment even more crucial. A talented group of players there definitely capable of getting back to an AI final at least. But careers are getting shorter, and within a few short years another generation may have passed before we know it. So lets get the best recruitment panel together first, to ensure the best personnel are brought in to oversee the future of this Waterford team.

DiscoStew

deise08 wrote: »

Any news on how Stephen is after the match??
Just haven't seen anything anywhere.. didn't look nice seeing him coming off on Sunday..

Hopefully the lack of comment on it means it’s not as serious as first seemed.

deise08

Any news on how Stephen is after the match??
Just haven't seen anything anywhere.. didn't look nice seeing him coming off on Sunday..