Celticfire wrote: » Leroy42 wrote: » Well yes, but you need to think about them as a child first. One of the central tenants to Trump immigration policy is that illegals are not equal. They are animals, infesting America. They are crime gangs, MS-13 members, bringing nothing but rape and drugs and crime. If you are told that often enough that you start to think that whatever you give these animals is better than they deserve. Would you think holding feral dogs in cages is cruel? No, well that is how some Americans now view these people. And led by the CiC with his constant denigration of them. And that is the real problem with Trump. Its not building the wall, or stricter border controls. All countries have some for of them. It is the derogatory language, it is the inflaming of hatred, it is the appeal to ignorance, fear and hatred. You know full well that Trumps reference to animals was in relation to MS13 members. While the media initially did what you are doing ( pushing that he called all illegals "animals") even they retracted that narrative and issued corrections (after they stoked the fire of course)
Leroy42 wrote: » Well yes, but you need to think about them as a child first. One of the central tenants to Trump immigration policy is that illegals are not equal. They are animals, infesting America. They are crime gangs, MS-13 members, bringing nothing but rape and drugs and crime. If you are told that often enough that you start to think that whatever you give these animals is better than they deserve. Would you think holding feral dogs in cages is cruel? No, well that is how some Americans now view these people. And led by the CiC with his constant denigration of them. And that is the real problem with Trump. Its not building the wall, or stricter border controls. All countries have some for of them. It is the derogatory language, it is the inflaming of hatred, it is the appeal to ignorance, fear and hatred.
Leroy42 wrote: » If you are told that often enough that you start to think that whatever you give these animals is better than they deserve. Would you think holding feral dogs in cages is cruel? No, well that is how some Americans now view these people. And led by the CiC with his constant denigration of them.
8mv wrote: » That interview was very upsetting. On behalf of the company I work for, I ship stuff all over the world, including to our office in the US. If I can keep track of a box of equipment, surely to **** the US border officials can document the origin and movements of a child?
joe40 wrote: » I was listening to Marian McKeown on Morning Ireland this morning and she was saying that there is a strong likelihood that many of the younger children that can't self identify may never be re-united with their parents. Many have been moved all over the states under the care of social services, so parents may never be able to trace them. That is horrific, and if trump maintains his support base after this I feel very sorry for the decent Americans. For all their talk of Christian values, it will be a country and leadership facing moral collapse, .
Leroy42 wrote: » So RIGOLO, you seem to have deemed the investigation as a witch hunt. On what basis, legally, have you decided that position.
Gwen Cooper wrote: » Any chance Donnie got Melania to wear that jacket to shift the negative attention he's getting from detaining the children to her?
TomOnBoard wrote: » Melanie sez "me no so really god at seeing ze eeng!isch, tovarisxch...me not see vich vords it sez on cote.... Me just thinks she sez mek ze merikies grate egen...so very sorrie..."
Leroy42 wrote: » Nox wrote: » Correct. It was by design. And the libs had the meaning go right over their heads in trying to figure it out. Melania buys a $40 dollar coat at an ordinary store and the fashion police go apoplectic looking for the deep hidden meaning of life in a simple statement wherein she says that she doesn't care about what they think on how she dresses. Love that lady. Really? Because Trump has come out and said that it was a protest against fake news. Now, do you really think it beholds the FLOTUS to use a visit to vulnerable children as a vehicle to air her own grievances against the media? And if it was, surely even you can see that it was poorly advised and a mistake?
Nox wrote: » Correct. It was by design. And the libs had the meaning go right over their heads in trying to figure it out. Melania buys a $40 dollar coat at an ordinary store and the fashion police go apoplectic looking for the deep hidden meaning of life in a simple statement wherein she says that she doesn't care about what they think on how she dresses. Love that lady.
Nox wrote: » You failed to respond to the question of responsibility. Literally thousands of children were dumped on us with no parents to provide for them. I ask again … Whose responsibility is this?
Nox wrote: » Try going to a law court sometime and listen to the crying by the guilty and/or their families. Almost anyone can cry on demand.
Nox wrote: » No. She is far better looking and more intelligent than I. And looking at this cheap statement … she outclasses you as well.
RIGOLO wrote: » And in more good news for the Trump Presidency, MSM news outlet CNBC are reporting a poll by GS that says the chances of a 'Blue Wave' sweeping the mid-terms are receding . Theres no chance of a Senate takeover and the likelihood of a House swwep for the Democrats are diminishing also, gone from a 32% chance to a 44% chance. Its still a chance but obviously trending in the wrong direction. As I said 2 weeks ago, there was no sign of the mythical 'blue wave' in the California Primaries, and here is further confirmation. Without house control that impeachment is looking further and further off , and 2020 DT term 2 is looking more and more likely.https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/18/goldman-sachs-chances-of-a-democrat-blue-wave-in-november-are-diminishing.html?recirc=taboolainternal All this talk of flipping, perhaps Peter Strzok will 'flip' now that his own organisation the FBI have 'walked' him out of the building pending further investigations. He has also had his security clearance removed, all on this on foot of the IGs report. NPR carried this, Im surprised it wasnt mentioned earlier in this thread given is pertinence to DT, perhaps posters dont listen to NPR, its a great station well worth tuning in and supporting.https://www.npr.org/2018/06/19/621621799/agent-who-sent-anti-trump-text-messages-escorted-from-fbi-building This investigation/witchhunt into alleged Russia Trump collusion is bringing down more Democrats and HRC supporters than the intended victims, talk about an investigation backfiring on those who were supporting HRC. McCabe fired, now Strzok under investigation, NSA leaker Reality Winner (what a name) has pleaded guilty and many more have lawyered up in preparation for whats to come. Sometimes the headlines are just sensationalist 'copy' to grab peoples attention as they rush about on their busy lives, but the real news is in the small nuggets that lie on the inside pages, like the FBI investigating their own 'Trump bashing' employees, Democratic polls trending the wrong way, Denver pulling out of hosting the DNC convention , stuff like that will tell a more true picture .
Corkblowin wrote: » Nox wrote: » Try going to a law court sometime and listen to the crying by the guilty and/or their families. Almost anyone can cry on demand. Is that you Ann?
listermint wrote: » These things are extremely purposeful that jacket served a purpose. It was designed to antagonise and get a rise. For what end I'm not sure.perhaps it was for trumps base so they could get off on the outrage and reaffirm that all those liberals out there will go crazy over a jacket look how pc they want you to be. There's no accident here. It's by design
Leroy42 wrote: » Vast sections? HC won more votes. It was a combination of bad planning, bad vote management, lack of attention to specific areas and the fact that HC herself was a poor campaigner. Gerrymandering has a massive impact, when you look at how some of the districts have been carved up it is staggering that such an advanced democracy has allowed it to happen. But the Dems can't change that in the short-term (and probably won't want to if they are winning). What they can do is get the vote out. The need to get a registration drive, really push people to vote.Issues such as gun control, abortion rights etc. That is where they can lead the new wave. They have a massive advantage with Obamacare. They brought it in, and despite doing everything to stop it, and constantly moaning it about it ever since, when push came to shove the GOP left it as is. Go you can sell that as the GOP not having anything better and thuis the Dems are the party with ideas. Whether they can or not is another question. One thing we do know for sure from Trump is that he is only interested in his base, anyone not on his side is not part of his plans.
Plus, to be frank, the evidence suggest that it's Republican congressional members that are behind much of the gerrymandering in the first place. There are some examples of Democrats redrawing the map to suit them, but most of the more egregious examples - such as the 7th - were caused by Republicans (though absolutely open to correction because it's a subject I'm only passingly aware of).
Corkblowin wrote: » Is that you Ann?
