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State Apology to Homosexuals

AllForIt

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0619/971510-apology/

I watched the proceedings in the Dail this evening and I have to say I feel very proud of Ireland and that's saying something as I've never been one for national pride.

As I watched the proceedings and TD after TD recounted the veritable horror of the lives of ppl who have been persecuted over the generations especially gay men I couldn't help but feel amazed by how far this Catholic conservative country has come.

If there is a God, and He put us here as a test that decides whether we get past the pearly gates - he certainly does set hard coursework.

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applehunter

How many homesexuals in total were shot in those years?

[Deleted User]

Apparently at least one other country used to chemically castrate gay people until quite recently, in between lecturing the rest of the world about "civilisation". Did the Irish state do that?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

AllForIt wrote: »

If there is a God, and He put us here as a test that decides whether we get past the pearly gates.

What an odd concept.

AllForIt

applehunter wrote: »

How many homesexuals in total were shot in those years?

Shot or shot dead?

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

Apparently at least one other country used to chemically castrate gay people until quite recently, in between lecturing the rest of the world about "civilisation". Did the Irish state do that?

Sure the Irish state didn't even have the balls to hang their own death penalty criminals when it was still on the statute books. Used to fly the British executioner over to drop the lever, kick the chair out, or whatever it was they did.

tayto lover

Samantha Future Firefighter wrote: »

What an odd concept.

Especially as we are told He knows all things already. So why the test?

timthumbni

Deleted User wrote: »

Apparently at least one other country used to chemically castrate gay people until quite recently, in between lecturing the rest of the world about "civilisation". Did the Irish state do that?

Egypt. They have a lot to answer for. I know they love their mummies just like the Irish but there really is no further comparison.....

TheDavester

Another pr stunt to deflect from
Other issues eg health and homeless issues ...don’t see any apologies for those waiting on trolleys.... the social media/pc brigade will lap it up

jacksie66

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Roger_007

Nobody should ever apologise for something they didn't do. Nobody can apologise on behalf of some other person or body. It's perfectly OK to acknowledge that something wrong was done in the past and to ensure that it doesn't happen in the future.
I remember Tony Blair apologising for the Irish famine and I thought that it was the most ridiculous thing I'd ever heard a U.K. Politician saying. Tony Blair had nothing to do with the famine so how could he apologise for it.
Anyone who did wrong can, and should, apologise. Those who didn't do the wrong have no business apologising.

(BTW Have the Danes ever apologised for the Viking raids?)

AllForIt

TheDavester wrote: »

Another pr stunt to deflect from
Other issues eg health and homeless issues ...don’t see any apologies for those waiting on trolleys.... the social media/pc brigade will lap it up

Over the years of following politics I have always found whether the argument is "There are other issues the gov should be more concerned about" or "They are only taking about this to deflect from that" - to be the most unconvincing arguments one could ever hear.

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Roger_007 wrote: »

Nobody should ever apologise for something they didn't do. Nobody can apologise on behalf of some other person or body. It's perfectly OK to acknowledge that something wrong was done in the past and to ensure that it doesn't happen in the future.
I remember Tony Blair apologising for the Irish famine and I thought that it was the most ridiculous thing I'd ever heard a U.K. Politician saying. Tony Blair had nothing to do with the famine so how could he apologise for it.
Anyone who did wrong can, and should, apologise. Those who didn't do the wrong have no business apologising.

(BTW Have the Danes ever apologised for the Viking raids?)

I suppose its because the state is still in existence. It wasn't an individual matter.

DickSwiveller

Yawn

AllForIt

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Yawn

Yawn.

Nermal

Roger_007 wrote: »

(BTW Have the Danes ever apologised for the Viking raids?)

Unfortunately so: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/aug/16/ireland

No doubt profferring meaningless apologies will now somehow get us on the hook for compensation claims.

Mikenesson

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sure the Irish state didn't even have the balls to hang their own death penalty criminals when it was still on the statute books. Used to fly the British executioner over to drop the lever, kick the chair out, or whatever it was they did.

Ya if they still had it you'd be doing it with a keyboard press

AllForIt

Roger_007 wrote: »

Nobody should ever apologise for something they didn't do.

What about things they did do? Like criminalize homosexuality?

Fann Linn

Talk is cheap.

And from the mouths of politicians!

Meh.

Skylinehead

Deleted User wrote: »

Apparently at least one other country used to chemically castrate gay people until quite recently, in between lecturing the rest of the world about "civilisation". Did the Irish state do that?

Mod: The next time you soapbox in an irrelevant thread, you'll take a week off.

Ten of Swords

Roger_007 wrote: »

Nobody should ever apologise for something they didn't do. Nobody can apologise on behalf of some other person or body. It's perfectly OK to acknowledge that something wrong was done in the past and to ensure that it doesn't happen in the future.

Considering homosexuality was decriminalized in 1993 and ingrained homophobia ran through much of Irish society in the 1980s (google Declan Flynn or Charles Self) it is fair to say that many people directly penalized by these laws, or indirectly - gossip and shunning - are still alive and I'm sure they appreciate hearing this apology from the state and the sense of validation that comes with it (whatever about it being long overdue)

AllForIt

Fann Linn wrote: »

Talk is cheap.

And from the mouths of politicians!

Meh.

I think FG did bring around the marriage ref no? Or did that happen all by itself as if by magic.

Roger_007

AllForIt wrote: »

What about things they did do? Like criminalize homosexuality?

The people who criminalised homosexuality are long dead and gone. Nobody can apologise on their behalf.

Mutant z

There may need to be a lot more apologising in future when you look at the demographic change which is currently taking place in this country and the less than friendly views some of those demographs hold towards gay people.

AllForIt

Roger_007 wrote: »

The people who criminalised homosexuality are long dead and gone. Nobody can apologise on their behalf.

Perhaps some of them spoke from heaven to ppl on earth to do so.

ToddyDoody

Fann Linn wrote: »

Talk is cheap.

And from the mouths of politicians!

Meh.

Probably just looking to piss off the DUP in the north who would be demanding an apology from homosexuals.

Permabear

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Fann Linn

AllForIt wrote: »

I think FG did bring around the marriage ref no? Or did that happen all by itself as if by magic.

You're also forgetting the LP and Citizens Assembly in your rush to give the Bluehirts the credit.

WinnyThePoo

Mutant z wrote: »

There may need to be a lot more apologising in future when you look at the demographic change which is currently taking place in this country and the less than friendly views some of those demographs hold towards gay people.

Every thread

AllForIt

Permabear wrote: »

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Well that may be so I've no idea, but I wouldn't compare illegal contraception to criminalizing homosexuality, but I get your point on social conservatism which did effect everyone - and I'm glad it's gone from this country.

super_furry

Mutant z wrote: »

There may need to be a lot more apologising in future when you look at the demographic change which is currently taking place in this country and the less than friendly views some of those demographs hold towards gay people.

Obsessed.