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Random Wrasslin' thoughts.....

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So this is a thread for your musings which do not deserve an entire thread of its own.

For example

I just watched Card Subject To Change. Horrific to think that since its been made the following has happened -

Kamala has become an amputee

Sensational Sherrie, Paul Bearer and Trent Acid are dead

Had Kevin Sullivan and Nancy stayed together one of Wrestlings darkest moments would be completely different or never would have happened.

Lacey Von Erich almost became a diva. She is also crazy hot. Pure nom.

I also mused that even while Sherri was a dispicable heel while she was on tv she may well have been my first celeb crush.

All this in one lazy evening.

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CastorTroy

Who are the most over jobbers over the years? Even though they lose and everyone knows they'll lose, they get cheered.
Seems Dakota Kai is going that way in NXT.

And has any jobber gone from jobber status to mid or top card title holder? Apart from Jinder

Loughc

gerrybbadd wrote: »

There really is nothing quite like watching quality tag team wrestling, when it's done right.

I genuinely can't wait for Vince to finally fcuk off into the ether. The way he flops and changes his mind on things is really frustrating

NXT do amazing tag team matches. It’s a shame WWE can’t take a page out of their own book.

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sky88 wrote: »

i think they have great chemistry together

the monster and the demon

The Braulor club

Mainly I wanna see Finn do his finisher from Braun's shoulders

sky88

connemara man wrote: »

Is it wrong I wanna see a Braun Strowman and Finn Balor tag team??

i think they have great chemistry together

the monster and the demon

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Is it wrong I wanna see a Braun Strowman and Finn Balor tag team??

gerrybbadd

There really is nothing quite like watching quality tag team wrestling, when it's done right.

I genuinely can't wait for Vince to finally fcuk off into the ether. The way he flops and changes his mind on things is really frustrating

sky88

which is crazy considering just how good the tag team division was in 2017/early 2018

Snakeweasel

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Has Vince given up on Tag Teams and groups again loads of them have seemed to disappear off screen again.

I can never understand that. Surely its just as easy to market a team as it is an individual? I grew up loving tag team wrestling, granted we had Steiners, Harlem Heat, NWO, Horsemen, APA, Hardys, E&C, Dudleys, Filthy Animals (I was young and thought they were cool), Kronik (as before), New Age Outlaws, LOD, Hart and Bulldog, X Pac and Kane

Agent Coulson

Has Vince given up on Tag Teams and groups again loads of them have seemed to disappear off screen again.

Pentecost

Monokne wrote: »

I agree that her contract is likely more layered than the average WWE one. I do, however, suspect that they have her at least thru 2019. Their new TV partners will be very disappointed if they don't get Ronda and/or Brock for the level of money they are paying.

Yeah I’m pretty sure they were saying it was a ‘multi year contract” when she first signed. They may well allow her to come and go even more as the years go on.

Monokne

I agree that her contract is likely more layered than the average WWE one. I do, however, suspect that they have her at least thru 2019. Their new TV partners will be very disappointed if they don't get Ronda and/or Brock for the level of money they are paying.

martyos121

I’d say (pure speculation before anyone accuses me of Meltzering) there’s all sorts of conditions in her contract. Multi-year options, MMA fight options, straight-up termination clauses under certain circumstances etc.

It’s possible that only the first year is guaranteed, and the remaining are optional to be activated by either Ronda or WWE. There’s no way she’s on anything resembling a standard contract.

Having said that, Ric providing information on anything like this is dubious to some degree, as Monokne pointed out.

Monokne

Ronda said she has committed for "several" years. It may well be that she misspoke but Ric is hardly a bastion of credibility either so I think it's a wait and see thing.

sky88

i seen ric flair say that ronda only has a 1 year deal and shes on record as saying she wants to start a family so they might be rushing things to try get eveything they want from her.

my guess is natayla at summerslam, 4 horwomen match at survivor series then ronda/charlotte main events mania

leggo

RopeDrink wrote: »

Exactly, although the fact Steph was desperately blocking it is also selling the move in its own way (even if it makes no sense how she magically acquired these anti-submission abilities). They're showcasing a fear of the armbar as well as its impact when it is executed, which is the right thing to do in order to add hype behind Ronda.

This. There's a big difference between someone blocking it (which is conceivable that Stephanie devoted a huge amount of training into one task, i.e. stopping the armbar from being implemened) rather than outright countering it once it's locked in.

J. Marston

Yep, they actually had their first "For your consideration" Emmy event last week.

(Not that they'll actually win one or even get nominated for one, mind...)

Monokne

HandsomeBob wrote: »

Jesus that's brutal.

In what sense?

Their business is the TV business now. It's less about drawing fans and more about schmoozing network big wigs. I'm ssuuupper critical as a fan of all the stuff they do to get themselves mainstream pub and the way they break kayfabe within the body of their own shows to further their "look at us, aren't we great" agendas, but the two giant money TV deals being finalised indicates they have really managed to legitimise themselves as an entertainment powerhouse in US culture. With that in mind, Ronda showing up there billed as WWE's top woman is just good pub for them.

Now, as a mark watching the show - I would much rather a long chase before Ronda gets the title. I miss those stories and that business. It feels increasingly elusive, at least on the WWE level.

sky88

HandsomeBob wrote: »

I recall a different match Rope! From what I remember I was pissed off because they had Steph put in more resistance to Ronda ****ing Rousey's armbar than Asuka was able to in a half assed figure 8.

i think what rope was referring to was that once ronda locked it in steph was done while she was blocking the rest of the attempts.

but dont get me started on how bad that askua tapping to Charlotte was

HandsomeBob

I recall a different match Rope! From what I remember I was pissed off because they had Steph put in more resistance to Ronda ****ing Rousey's armbar than Asuka was able to in a half assed figure 8.

Lithium93_

RopeDrink wrote: »

Random side-note (possibly late) - seems they've uploaded the Kenny/Okada 1hr match in its entirety on the NJPW channel for those who haven't seen it. If you're not a highlights type or have heard the hype but not seen it, well, now you can (for free):

[MOD SNIP: link now dead ]

RopeDrink wrote: »

Seems they deleted it... Shame - but for a while people had the chance to watch the entire unedited match for free, but judging by the reaction to Omega v Okada 4, the previously trilogy was absolutely topped by the finale (and Chris Jericho causing even more waves is just a bonus). Even just looking at the highlights of these battles makes me wonder how I could then go and watch a WWE event any more. The quality/story-telling/wrestling itself is on a far different level.

Just on these 2 points, NJPW uploaded matches to their YouTube for a week, and only a week.

HandsomeBob

Monokne wrote: »

I think they're doing the match so Ronda can go into the UFC Hall of Fame as WWE Women's champion so I suspect she will win.

Jesus that's brutal.

Itssoeasy

gerrybbadd wrote: »

It's a hard job alright, but as the fella said, someone has to do it &#55357;&#56832;

Not all superheroes wear capes Gerry. A lot of fellas have said an awful lot of wise thing down the years.

gerrybbadd

CastorTroy wrote: »

Nah. Didn't want to have chat in your thread.
And may I just say I have pity on you having to go to the bother of finding pictures of all those women. You're a good man doing all this for our benefit. :pac:

And looks like I didn't recognise her due to the hair being much different than other photos I've seen. Also wearing more clothes.

It's a hard job alright, but as the fella said, someone has to do it ðŸ˜€

Monokne

HandsomeBob wrote: »

It makes sense to have Steph do something to keep Ronda busy for a while and away from the title. Like having the Riott Squad as her cronies.

I think they're doing the match so Ronda can go into the UFC Hall of Fame as WWE Women's champion so I suspect she will win.

CastorTroy

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Did you post in the wrong thread CT?

https://youtu.be/jeAfhmGRE9k

Nah. Didn't want to have chat in your thread.
And may I just say I have pity on you having to go to the bother of finding pictures of all those women. You're a good man doing all this for our benefit. :pac:

And looks like I didn't recognise her due to the hair being much different than other photos I've seen. Also wearing more clothes.

gerrybbadd

CastorTroy wrote: »

I'm abstaining from the vote, but when was Scarlett in WWE and how did I not notice?

Did you post in the wrong thread CT?

https://youtu.be/jeAfhmGRE9k

HandsomeBob

CastorTroy wrote: »

I'm abstaining from the vote, but when was Scarlett in WWE and how did I not notice?

YouTube Nia Jax and Scarlett Bordeaux.

CastorTroy

I'm abstaining from the vote, but when was Scarlett in WWE and how did I not notice?

HandsomeBob

PopePalpatine wrote: »

If there's going to be a Dusty Finish (TM), I can imagine Steph getting involved and doing a screwjob, this time counting a pin while Ronda's locking in the armbar. :rolleyes:

It makes sense to have Steph do something to keep Ronda busy for a while and away from the title. Like having the Riott Squad as her cronies.

Riddle101

leggo wrote: »

I dunno if you followed her in UFC, but Rousey's armbar is legitimately one of the most deadly moves in MMA history. Someone getting out of it should be a huge deal and only come as a huge moment in a big match (maybe the match where she first loses cleanly). Having it broken the Raw before a PPV before the move has even been fully established in WWE would be a big mistake IMO.

Fair enough but I was kind've expecting them to hold off on allowing Ronda to use it on Nia until their match. I just feel like part of the build up of this match is whether Ronda can use it on Nia and make her tap out.

But like I said, if Ronda gets screwed on Sunday then it probably would make sense that Nia tapped on Raw, because then you could explain it that Nia started to have doubts about beating Ronda after she tapped and realized that Ronda could beat her, so she made some sort of a deal to screw Ronda in order to keep the championship.