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Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

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spacecoyote

eagle eye wrote: »

Just on Trump's intelligence.

A number of years ago, maybe 10 or 12 he was on the WWE as it is known these days. He started out as a heel(bad guy) and then turned into the enemy of the owner Vince McMahon who was a heel which made him a great guy. I heard about it and became intrigued as to why Trump was doing this. It ended up being billed the battle of the billionaires. He was getting to stroke his ego for sure with this but I felt there had to be something more to it.

During the election I wondered to myself if this was a long running grand plan. I believe it was because a lot of the electorate he was appealing to in the election would be similar types to the adults who attend WWE events. They are not very smart and a lot of them are what I'd call hicks.

He learned how to appeal to them while performing an act on WWE. It's funny and it's also very smart.

It's very evident they learned a lot from that experience.

The repeated chanting "Lock Her Up!"

The nicknames "Crooked Hilary"

All plays well to a certain group of the population. I'm pretty sure that Bannon picked up on and pushed a lot of this

Professor Moriarty

ELM327 wrote: »

Trump was winning the election before that in the polls.
But I do agree, the deplorables comment was one of the things that turned the tide to a Trump victory.

Well he isnt. There's no metric that measures that.

The only metric is re-election in 2020.

And possibly a nobel peace prize if the deal in N Korea comes through.
If Mr Hussein Obama was in the running for one, DT must be a dead cert for sure.

How to blow your credibility in one easy lesson.

BabyCheeses

jooksavage wrote: »

The solipsism is strong with anyone who can argue with a straight face that growing up in a first world country with all its attendant benefits isn't a privilege. We're living through an unprecedented period of peace in a western democracy. By any historical and geo-political standards we're the trust fund douchebags who don't know how good we have it.

Especially when getting a free ride into a private school!

My guess it comes down to insecurity, I've done well in my life but I know if I didn't get grants, wasn't living in the right place, or in the right time my life wouldn't be as good as it is now. It doesn't make you lesser for having all of that, it just means that some people for reasons outside of their own control might not have had those options.

Christy42

His decision to run for president seems to be when Obama highlighted his idiocy and racism by making a mockery of him at the correspondence dinner over the passport idiocy.

On to the topic at hand people are attempting to justify throwing children in over crowded cages because their parents wanted a better life for them. **** some are arguing that a man who intensely believed love thy neighbour is even for this barbarity.

Some are saying holding these kids like this as political hostages to use as a bargaining chip against those with a moral concience is justified.

**** humanity. Even pretending to support this as a troll would be horrific.

It won't hurt Trump. This is a nation that regularly moves on from its kids being shot at schools. It will move on from this to the next Trump scandal (did I hear escalating the trade war) and do basically nothing. I only hope I am wrong.

EdgeCase

The sad reality is that he does seem to equate running a country to reality TV and WWE.

He's operating in the real world now.

[Deleted User]

20Cent wrote: »

Was wondering why people were making a big deal about his seperate but equal comment looked it up.

Separate but equal was a legal doctrine in United States constitutional law according to which racial segregation did not violate the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, adopted

Ffs.

Maybe I was being too harsh on him, I assumed everyone on this thread would know what it meant. :pac:

eagle eye wrote: »

Just on Trump's intelligence.

A number of years ago, maybe 10 or 12 he was on the WWE as it is known these days. He started out as a heel(bad guy) and then turned into the enemy of the owner Vince McMahon who was a heel which made him a great guy. I heard about it and became intrigued as to why Trump was doing this. It ended up being billed the battle of the billionaires. He was getting to stroke his ego for sure with this but I felt there had to be something more to it.

During the election I wondered to myself if this was a long running grand plan. I believe it was because a lot of the electorate he was appealing to in the election would be similar types to the adults who attend WWE events. They are not very smart and a lot of them are what I'd call hicks.

He learned how to appeal to them while performing an act on WWE. It's funny and it's also very smart.

Have you seen Get Me Roger Stone? Trump should probably get 20% credit for his election, the rest going to others. Don't get me wrong, he would've only been a few hundred thousand votes spread over 5/6 states short without that but the dirt in the background is what got him over the line.

eagle eye

Just on Trump's intelligence.

A number of years ago, maybe 10 or 12 he was on the WWE as it is known these days. He started out as a heel(bad guy) and then turned into the enemy of the owner Vince McMahon who was a heel which made him a great guy. I heard about it and became intrigued as to why Trump was doing this. It ended up being billed the battle of the billionaires. He was getting to stroke his ego for sure with this but I felt there had to be something more to it.

During the election I wondered to myself if this was a long running grand plan. I believe it was because a lot of the electorate he was appealing to in the election would be similar types to the adults who attend WWE events. They are not very smart and a lot of them are what I'd call hicks.

He learned how to appeal to them while performing an act on WWE. It's funny and it's also very smart.

Hurrache

20Cent wrote: »

Was wondering why people were making a big deal about his seperate but equal comment looked it up.

Separate but equal was a legal doctrine in United States constitutional law according to which racial segregation did not violate the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, adopted

Ffs.

Cheers, I was wondering what the connection was myself.

wes

The support for the concentration camps for children amongst republicans is really something else. The only word I can use to describe Trump and his ilk is evil. Its a a word I find I have to use to describe what is going on in the world more and more these days, but there really is nothing else that fits.

The republican party has fully embraced white supremacy at this point, and there can be no doubt that what motivates support for Trump is nothing but racism at this point, that or a level of delusion that I would not think possible.

20Cent

Was wondering why people were making a big deal about his seperate but equal comment looked it up.

Separate but equal was a legal doctrine in United States constitutional law according to which racial segregation did not violate the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, adopted

Ffs.

Trent Houseboat

His child concentration camp policy is sure to win him a Nobel Prize.

If he starts grinding their bones to make his big mac buns he might get beatified.

everlast75

ELM327 wrote: »

If Mr Hussein Obama was in the running for one, DT must be a dead cert for sure.

Ah right.

Now I see you!

It took a couple of posts, but there it is.

Water John

I agree, President Obama (note) should not have gotten the Nobel Prize.

ELM327

pixelburp wrote: »

When your opponent basically gives you an open goal by calling your voting base "a basket of deplorables" - a base that you yourself had already stoked into an anti-Establishment frenzy - then yes, luck had a big part in Trumps campaign. A campaign that never bothered writing a Transition plan either, and necessitated that farcical horse-trading in Trump Tower around Christmas '17. Since then he has shown no attempt to reach across to the rest of America that doesn't constitute his base.

Trump inherited a great deal of his wealth, and many business ideas by him have fallen flat on their face; be it Trump Steaks, Trump Airlines, Trump Multimedia, Trump Magazone, his attempt at starting a rival to the NFL, the list goes on. Honestly? No I question Trump's business acumen and had he not the solid, reliable Manhattan real-estate as backup, it's entirely debatable whether he'd still be in a position of wealth today. He's the quintessential relic of old-world business.

On a side note: by your logic, would you consider George W. Bush an intelligent man? By your thinking US Presidents are intelligent by dint of their success.

Trump was winning the election before that in the polls.
But I do agree, the deplorables comment was one of the things that turned the tide to a Trump victory.

Billy Mays wrote: »

Spot on

Except as president he's actually expected to give a crap about the rest and not just the people like you who support him

Well he isnt. There's no metric that measures that.

The only metric is re-election in 2020.

And possibly a nobel peace prize if the deal in N Korea comes through.
If Mr Hussein Obama was in the running for one, DT must be a dead cert for sure.

Billy Mays

ELM327 wrote: »

Im', not losing, the' run of, myself, anywhere
Trump is a smart politician. He's playing to his audience and couldn't give a crap about the rest.

I am optimistic that should he choose to run in 2020 that he will be re-elected. And that is his aim.

Spot on

Except as president he's actually expected to give a crap about the rest and not just the people like you who support him

pixelburp

ELM327 wrote: »

Trump is the most powerful man on the planet.
No one "lucks in" to getting into the position of ruler of the free world.

Whatever you may dislike about the man, you cannot doubt his intelligence.

When your opponent basically gives you an open goal by calling your voting base "a basket of deplorables" - a base that you yourself had already stoked into an anti-Establishment frenzy - then yes, luck had a big part in Trumps campaign. A campaign that never bothered writing a Transition plan either, and necessitated that farcical horse-trading in Trump Tower around Christmas '17. Since then he has shown no attempt to reach across to the rest of America that doesn't constitute his base.

Trump inherited a great deal of his wealth, and many business ideas by him have fallen flat on their face; be it Trump Steaks, Trump Airlines, Trump Multimedia, Trump Magazone, his attempt at starting a rival to the NFL, the list goes on. Honestly? No I question Trump's business acumen and had he not the solid, reliable Manhattan real-estate as backup, it's entirely debatable whether he'd still be in a position of wealth today. He's the quintessential relic of old-world business.

On a side note: by your logic, would you consider George W. Bush an intelligent man? By your thinking US Presidents are intelligent by dint of their success.

jooksavage

The solipsism is strong with anyone who can argue with a straight face that growing up in a first world country with all its attendant benefits isn't a privilege. We're living through an unprecedented period of peace in a western democracy. By any historical and geo-political standards we're the trust fund douchebags who don't know how good we have it.

Water John

Cripes, iv'e angered another grammatic overlord.

ELM327

Water John wrote: »

Don't doubt his intelligence, at all. Know well, the level it's at, esp his, emotional intelligence.

Emotional. Intelligence ~ Is, oVERrated`!¬¬ anyway./

(FYI the superfluous punctuation marks are really unnecessary)

ELM327

listermint wrote: »

Its quite clear to be now that you were a member of the UCD comedic society. As no one that academically gifted or graduated from UCD would believe such a claim.

Top drawer though, you nearly had me.

I have not attended UCD, nor any other Dublin based educational facility. At any stage. (Barring CTYI as a child, but that's not general education)

Water John

Don't doubt his intelligence, at all. Know well, the level it's at, esp his, emotional intelligence.
Playing to his audience? Problem for him is, 2 out of 3 aren't in his audience anymore. Virtually everyone out side the GOP and nearly half of GOP voters disagree with him. In political terms, that's disaster.

ELM327

Water John wrote: »

ELM, your'e sort of losing, the run of yourself , there.
For example, the fee for third level, isn't remotely near, its cost.

The paradox is, if DT was totally successful in closing the border and expelling all undocumented the American economy would be quite negatively affected.

Im', not losing, the' run of, myself, anywhere

Trump is a smart politician. He's playing to his audience and couldn't give a crap about the rest.

I am optimistic that should he choose to run in 2020 that he will be re-elected. And that is his aim.

listermint

ELM327 wrote: »

Trump is the most powerful man on the planet.
No one "lucks in" to getting into the position of ruler of the free world.

Whatever you may dislike about the man, you cannot doubt his intelligence.

Its quite clear to be now that you were a member of the UCD comedic society. As no one that academically gifted or graduated from UCD would believe such a claim.

Top drawer though, you nearly had me.

ELM327

listermint wrote: »

I have with no doubt that you would not have the standard of living you enjoy today perhaps not even the internet should you have lotteried your life into a family in Guam , Peru, Syria.

But you will never admit how privileged you are, such is the nature of those that cant see what is right in front of them.

Anyway ive enough of pointing out the obvious to those that choose not to see.

Way off topic here, Trump is still an idiot nearly 2 years later and his policies reflect everything that is dirty about Modern Society. They encompass it and they give license to those people to come out from rocks that agree with them.

Hopefully we learn as a species someday, I'll be long gone by then.

Trump is the most powerful man on the planet.
No one "lucks in" to getting into the position of ruler of the free world.

Whatever you may dislike about the man, you cannot doubt his intelligence.

Water John

ELM, your'e sort of losing, the run of yourself , there.
For example, the fee in Ireland, for third level, isn't remotely near, its cost.

The paradox is, if DT was totally successful in closing the border and expelling all undocumented the American economy would be quite negatively affected.

VinLieger

ELM327 wrote: »

I didn't know UCD offered second level education?

Privileged to be academically gifted.
Nothing to do with location or any other privilege you care to throw at it.

The 50k was quite obviously in reference to the average annual 3rd level fees of US colleges you were the one who bizarrely seems to think it was referencing public high school school fees in the US.

Privileged to have the option to attend, it has everything to do with location.

ELM327

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Our direct provision system would be fine if people were not stuck in it for so long.

Our direct provision system is much better than the current US system.
There's a need for balance between making it too harsh and making it too cushy. And I think we get this right in Ireland.

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Ignorance is the word alright. Seems you don't know how much of your education was provided by the taxpayer.

Perhaps you are not aware that the vast majority was not funded by the taxpayer.
And... for the minor part that was... it is repaid many times over at this stage anyway.
Not that either of those are related to the issue at hand, but you know, whatever.

listermint

ELM327 wrote: »

I think your feigned ignorance speaks volumes.

I did not benefit from free education.
Primary schools have "voluntary" contributions of a few hundred per year.
I attended a private secondary school having earned a 100% bursary for academic prowess. So no cost to the state there at all.

3rd level is not free, you pay between 80-100% of most normal courses through the "registration fees" that regularly top 3-4k.

The rest of your post is a dangerous equilibrium comprised of bunkum, socialism, and SJW. To which any response that I should proffer would likely be cannibalised with risible tripe along the lines of "WHITE PRIVILEGE" "THINK OF DE BABBIES" etc. So I shall save us both the bother.

I can but be thankful that our little land of milk and honey has not been defiled like central and southern Europe has. Although the Nordics (particularly Sweden) are now also showing the issues associated with free and simple immigration.

We should be aligning with past generations and, to borrow a leaf from a well known leader's book of quotable notables, "We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."
Instead we open our doors, and share our meagre wealth with those who plot to kill us, wreck our societal model, rape our women, brainwash our children, etc.

I have with no doubt that you would not have the standard of living you enjoy today perhaps not even the internet should you have lotteried your life into a family in Guam , Peru, Syria.

But you will never admit how privileged you are, such is the nature of those that cant see what is right in front of them.

Anyway ive enough of pointing out the obvious to those that choose not to see.

Way off topic here, Trump is still an idiot nearly 2 years later and his policies reflect everything that is dirty about Modern Society. They encompass it and they give license to those people to come out from rocks that agree with them.

Hopefully we learn as a species someday, I'll be long gone by then.

ELM327

VinLieger wrote: »

Non EU citizens are charged anywhere from 18k - 25k for UCD, that is the actual cost of a course removing all EU and Irish government subsidies that you don't pay. Thinking the 3-4k registration fee you paid is anywhere close to being 100% of the actual cost of a course is delusional.

I didn't know UCD offered second level education?

VinLieger wrote: »

Also attending private secondary education regardless of how it was paid for does indeed make you very damned privileged.

Privileged to be academically gifted.
Nothing to do with location or any other privilege you care to throw at it.

Captain Obvious

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Our Direct Provision system could be amended and improved, there's no doubt about that. But we're not impinging upon basic human rights like the US are here.

Our direct provision system would be fine if people were not stuck in it for so long.

ELM327 wrote: »

I did not benefit from free education.
Primary schools have "voluntary" contributions of a few hundred per year.
I attended a private secondary school having earned a 100% bursary for academic prowess. So no cost to the state there at all.

3rd level is not free, you pay between 80-100% of most normal courses through the "registration fees" that regularly top 3-4k.

Ignorance is the word alright. Seems you don't know how much of your education was provided by the taxpayer.