Gbear wrote: » Personally I think the massive undermining of the Mexican state by creating and maintaining a drug war for puritanical or cynical, profit-driven reasons is a bigger issue than trade. Whatever about having a roof over my head, I wouldn't want to stick around in a place where drug barons murder people by the thousands. Trump has, I believe, made some noise about supporting states rights to end prohibition, but as with anything he says, you can't really take it on faith. Sessions has been vocally against it, and as a religious fanatic, I'm sure Pence isn't keen either.
Nox wrote: » The real problem is the illegal parents trying to dump their kids on us. The parents are the problem … where is their responsibility in this?
LuckyLloyd wrote: » The real problem is people in the US think like you in large numbers. There was a time when the US was a shining beacon in the world. That time is clearly gone.
ELM327 wrote: » Nations have a right to border security. Ship them back is surely a better more cost effective solution... or am I missing something? (Trump supporter and conservative)
ELM327 wrote: » I see what you're saying but the parents are the ones bringing the alien minors to the country both illegally. Under current law the parent can be detained in a holding cell until their asylum claim is heard but the child is a minor and cannot be detained The white house press secretary said yesterday that this was an implementation of the current law which was applied (albeit in lesser numbers) by previous administrations. The law needs to change. Either detain everyone in an appropriate condition (eg like direct provision) or ship them all back. My preference would be to ship them all back. You can't turn a blind eye or you'll be overrun like what's happening in Europe (particularly central and southern) at the moment.
Leroy42 wrote: » And that is the point Elm. The current admin has made the decision that rather than put in place systems to either house the family until the process is complete or to send them straight back, they have opted not to bother with any of that and simply the option that they feel will stop the flow at all. They are failing to do either of the right things. Posters on here have asked do the parents not be held responsible, and yes they are and boy are they paying a massive price. But what about the responsibility of the admin, or the US itself. Do US citizens not feel that they should have some responsibility for people in their country? That they can't simply separate families. And cleary the entire process is lacking. Stories of parents being sent back but the child being left for a few days. Older kids having to help look after younger kids. Why cages? Have they set aside the requisite social services? What about other family members? What attempts are made to find other family members? But instead we have POTUS, as usual, blaming everyone else. The man who 'tells it like it is' who keeps telling lies. Its all the democrats fault. What can a POTUS possibly do with laws that were already passed. If only there was some way for him to change the laws. Maybe they should invent an position that would allow somebody to do that. Like a Prime Minister or something.
LuckyLloyd wrote: The real problem is people in the US think like you in large numbers. There was a time when the US was a shining beacon in the world. That time is clearly gone.
listermint wrote: » Humanity knows no bounds, For some. I feel warm inside that you can sit here pontificating from your privileged Irish position. Must make people feel warm inside too. Not too long ago we ourselves were shipping off on boats to the far corners of the world. never forget that fella! All that good stuff you have today in this land, its because of them.
Water John wrote: » There is a whole section of GOP Senators who have publicly spoken out against the policy. Hurd (R) Texas was particularly well spoken. It's those closest to the issue in Texas etc, that are very much opposed to the policy. Easy to implement policy, when your'e far away from it.BTW, we have detention centres here which, whilst they don't separate families, are no gold model.
LuckyLloyd wrote: » Our Direct Provision system could be amended and improved, there's no doubt about that. But we're not impinging upon basic human rights like the US are here.
LeinsterDub wrote: » I honestly don't think America cares or at least elected Republicans don't care. Muslim ban, guns massacres nearly daily, EPA being dismantled, healthcare being stripped from the poor. I could go on.
Blowfish wrote: In general I'd absolutely agree with you, but the one thing that may make this slightly different is the number of religions speaking out and opposing this.
Blowfish wrote: » Religion is the one thing that Republicans will generally claim that they put above all else
ELM327 wrote: » Our direct provision system (other than time delays in processing) is perfectly adequate. One would argue that such a system should be implemented in the US.
ELM327 wrote: » Bearded leftism knows no bounds. What I have I worked for, and it is nothing to do with anyone migrating from Ireland. But I digress as this is not relevant to the issue at hand. PS: I am not " privileged "
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Could you explain what you mean by "Bearded leftism"? Could you identify any examples who fall under your definition?
listermint wrote: 1st. You are entirely Privileged, you were born into a country that offers up some of the best starts in life on earth. You benefited from Free Education right up to 3rd level, you benefit from our Social services (despite im sure you believing that you dont actually take any of them you do) everyone does. You benefited from an economical , social and meteorological climate that is stable and does not suffer from extremes.
Water John wrote: » There is a whole section of GOP Senators who have publicly spoken out against the policy. Hurd (R) Texas was particularly well spoken.
Leroy42 wrote: » Trump has completely disabused that notion.
Leroy42 wrote: » Religion was a useful excuse but when the decision time came they opted to put aside their religion in preference to their agendas.
Blowfish wrote: » That's just their standard brow furrowing, 'deeply concerned' comments, while still toeing the party line. They have every opportunity now to prove their words by backing the Democrats Keep Families Together Act but, unsuprisingly none of them have. Trump worships Trump and nothing else. For the GOP politicians I'd agree, along with the newer 'alt-right MAGA' bunch. I'm not so sure about the older evangelical crowd. I do wonder if there is a breaking point for them if their pastors start speaking out against Trump.
