Deleted User wrote: » And how do you get into your "own accommodation"? On footpaths and roads funded by taxes which the rest of us pay, or are you rich enough to have built all such roads and paths out of your own money without leeching off the hard-pressed taxpayers of this state? Why should we have to fund stuff you have that we don't benefit from? And education, who has funded your education since primary school, the education which no doubt was vital in your ability to get a job? And healthcare - are you rich enough to own your own hospital with your own funded specialists on standby - or do you depend upon this state's taxpayers for A&E departments and everything else including the state-trained medical professionals (and most of the other stuff private healthcare uses)? Even if you are in a private healthcare scheme, does it not seem a bit sycophantic to be unable to access private healthcare without depending upon other people in the scheme to in effect subsidise you if you end up in hospital? And so on ad infinitum. This simplistic "I pay my own way" Libertarian nonsense doesn't really stand up to scrutiny in the reality of our world.
Mr. Incognito wrote: » Doesn't appear so. I dont need Minister Murphy. I work and pay for my own accomodation. Perfectly happy to do so.
beauf wrote: » The lack of social housing is driving the shortage of private housing, and the costs up for everyone including you... Are you happy about that?
beauf wrote: » Unrestricted immigration is also having an effect.
beauf wrote: » The lack of social housing is driving the shortage of private housing and rentals, and the costs up for everyone including you...
ARNOLD J RIMMER wrote: » The Government should be rolling out rent to buy houses Payìng set rents which are deducted from the overall price If you move out at any time while paying the set rent then the price of the house resets for the next people. If you do not meet your obligations of paying the set rent then fast track eviction take place for the next tenant. You must be in employment at xxxxxxxxx income to take part in the scheme.
Olsky wrote: » Exactly. And I would contend that is the foundation and purpose of the current policy.
Del2005 wrote: » That's where the problem started when we sold off all the social housing. Social housing should not be a house for generations it should be returned to the pool when the tenant leaves either by moving or dieing, their children should have the same rights as any other person to get the house then. Rent to buy should not be done by the government.
Topgear on Dave wrote: » Racist to say it though. :pac:
The number of immigrants to the State in the year to April 2017 is estimated to have increased by 2.8% from 82,300 to 84,600, while the number of emigrants declined over the same period, from 66,200 to 64,800. These combined changes have resulted in net inward migration for Ireland in 2017 (+19,800), the highest level of net inward migration since 2008. See table 1. Irish nationals continue to experience net outward migration, although at a much lower level than in the previous year, falling from -8,800 to -3,400, while net inward migration among non-Irish nationals decreased from 25,000 to 23,200. See table 2. The number of births in the period was 63,900 while the number of deaths was 30,800, resulting in a natural increase of the population of 33,100. See table 1. The combined effect of natural increase and positive net migration resulted in an overall increase in the population of 52,900 bringing the population estimate to 4.79 million in April 2017. See table 1.
Mr. Incognito wrote: » So they cannot afford rent and yet they renting in the private market? Does not compute. .
Mr. Incognito wrote: » If you have a problem with social housing Get a job and buy a house. Lets call a spade a spade herehttps://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp5hpi/cp5hpi/hpi/ Persons in accommodation Male 3,914 Female 2,869 Total 6,783 Persons sleeping rough Male 104 Female 19 Total 123 There are less than 200 people sleeping rough in Irealnd. Most of these are due to drug/ alcohol addiction problems. Most people that are "homeless" which is a further 4,000 since these 2016 Figures are people who have declared themselves "homeless" trying to skip to social housing lists. The "Government" doesnt owe you a free house. I am sick of people who don't work, and expect everything handed to them out of the taxes of people who do.
Mr. Incognito wrote: » My tax pays for that. Arent you proving your own contention. I dont get my own roads, or hospital, or education. Why then am I "entitled" to a free house? Using this analogy people should be living in shared social housing.
Mr. Incognito wrote: » That's a false analogy.
Mr. Incognito wrote: » The shortage of private housing has been driven by rent controls and lack of supply. INstead of renting private landlords put their properties on air bnb because they keep getting burned by tenants who pay no rent for 18 months and get away with it because the RTB protects them. So the spongers are causing the lack or rental places driving up the costs for everyone else. INcluding me. I'm not happy about that.
Mr. Incognito wrote: » If you cannot afford to rent you have two options.
Mr. Incognito wrote: » So they cannot afford rent and yet they renting in the private market? Does not compute. Either they are renting and therefore do not require social housing or they are not renting and therefore not in the private market.
Mr. Incognito wrote: » Because it is racist.https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2017/
end of the road wrote: » 1. many if not most people struggling due to the housing issue have jobs. this includes a number of those who declared themselves homeless. 2. the banks are (rightly) not giving out mortgages like sweets to anyone any more. dispite having a job, lots of people aren't going to fit the criteria to be given a mortgage. 3. the wages in many jobs aren't able to keep up with the cost of living including rising house prices. 4. the people who are expecting everything for free are very likely unemployable and are really irrelevant to this discussion. so saying garra job and buy a house rabel rabel doesn't deal with reality, i'm afraid. it's deflection tbh. as does everyone to a greater or lesser extent. except the house prices are rising and the incomes aren't keeping up, so more people are ending up in state subsidized accommodation because government aren't tackling the cost of living. there are no "free" houses.
Del2005 wrote: » For all the people complaining about FG/FF what is the viable alternative? After what this government has done to private landlords I don't think they have much interest in them. The REITs are the only landlords they look after and when all the small landlords are driven out of the market, which the government has said it wants to do, then we'll see what happens to the rental market and it won't be good.
Idbatterim wrote: » What about the people on decent incomes who can’t affird housing? I agree with you about the wasters, but many people here Against social and affordable housing, would have a very different opinion if they were trying to buy or rent at current prices ...
Let them eat Hake wrote: » They should look at phasing out the billions of euros worth of social housing in Dublin city centre and relocating people elsewhere. It's crazy to think people are given free houses overlooking the Liffey around Lombard st. There are blocks of flats just off St Stephen's Green ffs. It's unfair that people get these houses when I and everyone else have to work their bollocks off to pay a mortgage or rent something and commute into the City Centre. Sell the Social Housing land in the city centre and put the money into building social housing for a fraction of the price elsewhere. How on earth do you get one of these places in town actually?
Wheeliebin30 wrote: » Look, there is nothing fair about someone paying a mortgage on a house of 400k, getting up every morning getting home late from work, missing kids bedtime, while someone next door pays 40 euro a week and sleeps in while their neighbour goes to work to pay both their morgtages.
[Deleted User] wrote: » I seem to remember reading where Ruth Coppinger lives in a social housing apartment.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Well, obviously they could give up their job and join that supposed high life which their reputedly smarter neighbour has managed to create. Revealingly, they never want to do that...
JupiterKid wrote: » Completely agree with the OP. I have extensive experience in housing policy research and the only real solution is a return to large scale social housebuilding. Current policies favour landlords and existing outright owners and have utterly distorted the housing market and are an abject failure. It's all about ideology - favour existing property owners to garner political support. Utterly cynical but predictable. The sooner Varadkar, Murphy et al and their neo-Thatcherite ideology are gone the better. I loathe FF for what they did to the country during the last bubble and I always swore I'd never vote for them but I think they would at least do something better to tackle the housing crisis. The current lot in power are spineless weasels content in preserving the status quo. They dont give a damn about those most in need of housing. Utter weasels. Is this country just an economy or a society?
Let them eat Hake wrote: » I'm from Clontarf, but I only earn 35,000, so I can't live anywhere near Clontarf. I've seen people say "they've been there for generations" about social housing in the city centre. Why am I not entitled to a house in Clontarf? I'll never be able to live there again, and I'd love to.
Wheeliebin30 wrote: » How much is this going to cost and where is the money coming from?
JupiterKid wrote: » It will cost several billion euro and will come from the taxpayer, like it does in most developed Western European countries - where having a properly functioning society is as important as an economy. It's sad to see so many on this thread completely fail to see that the failures in the housing market - namely a gross and deliberate undersupply of social housing - is hurting those most vulnerable in this housing crisis. But of course they're all dole scroungers and wasters looking for their "forever" home. Do you think unrelated working adults in their 30s sharing bedrooms in Dublin in 2018 is acceptable? What about when your children are trying to access the housing market? Live 60 miles from their work with zero quality of life? Pay exorbitant rent for a shoebox? Be hit with negative equity when this new emerging bubble inevitably bursts? Live at home until they're 35? Yes, it is sad to see how so few people properly understand how housing markets really work. The bang of "I'm all right Jack" off some posters is palpable. Utter short-sightedness and lazy attacking of those most in housing need. Leo and his chums would be delighted with this thread - divide and conquuer tactics are working well for them.
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