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Gael85

homerjay2005 wrote: »

who realistically can come into the panel that wasnt there the last day?

Barry O Sullivan.
Killian Young.
Shane Enright.
Jack Savage.

then youve got a few more of the younger lads.

i assume Buckly and Lyne are 100% gone and wont be coming back.

the starting 15 looks really good but id be worried about the same 5 or 6 lads on the bench whove got alot of chances but always flatter to deceive when really needed.

for me its a worry that M Geaney was the first player in the last day, i think he is exceptionally lucky man to be getting game time but maybe he can have a good summer who knows.

Jonathan Lyne transferred to Chicago for the summer.

DDC1990

SecretsOfEarth wrote:

Kerry: 1-30 (33) Limerick: 0-05 (5).

Good for them with Clifford and O'Shea sticking with the Seniors. Big performances from Shaw and Fiachra Clifford. Donal O'Sullivan as well. The backs must have been on song conceding only 5 points. Some going.

SecretsOfEarth

Comprehensive win for the U20s footballers tonight vs Limerick, final score:

Kerry: 1-30 (33) Limerick: 0-05 (5).

The_Honeybadger

Mikey will hardly be there if everyone is back fit. I think we will end up with something resembling the 26 below as first choice based on the league and last Sunday, and plugging the gaps due to injuries and suspensions with the extended panel. You could argue that a few of the extended panel like Young, Casey or Tom O’Sullivan should be on the 26 but I really don’t see how you could make a case for Fionn or Mikey Geaney if everyone is available.

S. Murphy, B. Kelly

J. Foley, O’Beaglaoich, S. Enright, T. Morley, G. Crowley, P. Crowley, G. White, P. Murphy, R. Shanahan, M. Griffin

D. Moran, A. Maher, J. Barry,

D. Clifford, K. McCarthy, M. Burns, JOD, K. Donaghy, Donnacha Walsh, S. O’Brien, P. Geaney, S. O’Shea, Darren O Sullivan, Barry John

Ext. panel:
M. Geaney, K. Young, D. Casey, F. Fitzgerald, E. O’Conchuir, K. Spillane, A. Spillane, Tom O’Sullivan, C. Coffey, Barry O’Sullivan, Brendan O’Sullivan, J. Savage

dobman88

Where I was in the terrace the last day was perfect to watch Mikey Geaney, 4 different times a player had the ball and looked right, no Mikey coming off the shoulder, each time Botty was roaring at him cmon cmon and then he'd go but the ball had already been recycled. It's an absolute mystery how he's near the panel. You shouldn't need to tell an average Junior B player to support your team mate never mind an inter county player.

cms88

homerjay2005 wrote: »

who realistically can come into the panel that wasnt there the last day?

Barry O Sullivan.
Killian Young.
Shane Enright.
Jack Savage.

then youve got a few more of the younger lads.

i assume Buckly and Lyne are 100% gone and wont be coming back.

the starting 15 looks really good but id be worried about the same 5 or 6 lads on the bench whove got alot of chances but always flatter to deceive when really needed.

for me its a worry that M Geaney was the first player in the last day, i think he is exceptionally lucky man to be getting game time but maybe he can have a good summer who knows.

IMO a lot of the fellas who had been around for a while without making an impact have gone i.e Lyne, O'Leary etc Other lads just don't seem to have pushed on Brendan O'Sullivan, Killian Spillane, Brian Crowley etc So as you say there hasn't really been anything new brought to the table. Thnk back to when BJK first came along in 2010 i don't see anyone at the momet doing something like that

homerjay2005

who realistically can come into the panel that wasnt there the last day?

Barry O Sullivan.
Killian Young.
Shane Enright.
Jack Savage.

then youve got a few more of the younger lads.

i assume Buckly and Lyne are 100% gone and wont be coming back.

the starting 15 looks really good but id be worried about the same 5 or 6 lads on the bench whove got alot of chances but always flatter to deceive when really needed.

for me its a worry that M Geaney was the first player in the last day, i think he is exceptionally lucky man to be getting game time but maybe he can have a good summer who knows.

cms88

Bass Reeves wrote: »

If we were 3-4 points up in a game and we needed a cool head he would be the best option along with Donoghy and BJK. I for one cannot see the reason for Maher, Darran, anf Fionn on the bench. Mikey Geany at least has age on his side but his footballing brain is the issue. Where I see the real problem is that if we need to change the pace of the game and up the tempo we have no forwards capable on the bench

I wouldnlt say so, He's 29 this year so it's unlikely he'll get much better in the next few weeks

Bass Reeves

keane2097 wrote: »

I mean that's because the starting 15 we picked the last day is probably our highest tempo unit. If we could pick a forward to make that unit more high tempo or slicker we would be foolish to leave them on the bench.

With 15-25 minutes to go in any game wing forwards, half forwards and midfielders start to tire. Your bench then decide what way you finish the game. If you have older slower players then the tempo slow this is grand where you are ahead but if you are 1-2 points down or if the opposition is starting to eat into your lead you may need to raise the tempo of the game.

When Darren first started on the panel he was often bought on to do just that. add an injection of pace to the game. Kevin McMennem did it for Dublin on numerous occasions. I doo not see that in the subs bench at present. Most are older players whos pace is gone. IMO we need to bring 1-2 more pacy players on the bench

keane2097

Bass Reeves wrote: »

If we were 3-4 points up in a game and we needed a cool head he would be the best option along with Donoghy and BJK. I for one cannot see the reason for Maher, Darran, anf Fionn on the bench. Mikey Geany at least has age on his side but his footballing brain is the issue. Where I see the real problem is that if we need to change the pace of the game and up the tempo we have no forwards capable on the bench

I mean that's because the starting 15 we picked the last day is probably our highest tempo unit. If we could pick a forward to make that unit more high tempo or slicker we would be foolish to leave them on the bench.

Bass Reeves

keane2097 wrote: »

I could see Donnchadh as an option at midfield. Would still prefer to see him coming into the half forward line with 25 minutes to go than Mikey Geaney or Darran any day of the week also.

If we were 3-4 points up in a game and we needed a cool head he would be the best option along with Donoghy and BJK. I for one cannot see the reason for Maher, Darran, anf Fionn on the bench. Mikey Geany at least has age on his side but his footballing brain is the issue. Where I see the real problem is that if we need to change the pace of the game and up the tempo we have no forwards capable on the bench

keane2097

I could see Donnchadh as an option at midfield. Would still prefer to see him coming into the half forward line with 25 minutes to go than Mikey Geaney or Darran any day of the week also.

Bass Reeves

mickeyk wrote: »

I think the biggest changes were the movement up top and the additional pace in the half forwards. I really like Donaghy and I’m glad he’s still there as an option but we have been very static in attack in the past when he is on the edge of the square. JOD dropped deep a lot and the other two never stopped running and making space. Paul Geaney was superb as always, Clifford was well watched and will hopefully grow in to the role.

Having genuine pace in the half forwards now is very welcome indeed. I wonder where Donnacha fits in when he comes back.

White and Murphy in particular did well coming from deep. Moran had a slow day and probably needed that game to shake off the ring rust, hopefully he is back to himself for the final.

Very good performance all around but we need to see more as Clare had thrown in the towel before half time.

Donnacha age is against him he is 32 years old. Football is all about power, fitness and pace at present. Unless you use him instead of JOD or SOB it would be a step backwards to drop one of the younger players. It is unlikly we will win an All Ireland this year, over the last 2-3 years we have held on to older player on the hope of winning one. We got decimated by Mayo last year because of it.
Last years championship was a step backwards after winning the league with younger players. I know we had injury problems but we saw the issues 2-3 players and having nothing on the bench. We need to be using younger players on every available space we can and that includes on the bench.

The_Honeybadger

I think the biggest changes were the movement up top and the additional pace in the half forwards. I really like Donaghy and I’m glad he’s still there as an option but we have been very static in attack in the past when he is on the edge of the square. JOD dropped deep a lot and the other two never stopped running and making space. Paul Geaney was superb as always, Clifford was well watched and will hopefully grow in to the role.

Having genuine pace in the half forwards now is very welcome indeed. I wonder where Donnacha fits in when he comes back.

White and Murphy in particular did well coming from deep. Moran had a slow day and probably needed that game to shake off the ring rust, hopefully he is back to himself for the final.

Very good performance all around but we need to see more as Clare had thrown in the towel before half time.

Amprodude

Bass Reeves wrote: »

You again show how little your knowledge is of Kerry football

I think everyone is trying to figure it out including yourself.

Bass Reeves

Amprodude wrote: »

I thought Kerry had their own style? Its not good if they have to copy Dublins. Just saying.

You again show how little your knowledge is of Kerry football

keane2097

Amprodude wrote: »

I thought Kerry had their own style? Its not good if they have to copy Dublins. Just saying.

Amprodude

keane2097 wrote: »

Aside from shooting when having advantage there definitely seemed to be a shot clock mentality to Kerry's attacking play in general.

One of the best aspects to Dublin's play in recent years has been the speed with which they work a shot opening on the majority of their plays - it would be nice to think we were starting to try and do something similar.

I thought Kerry had their own style? Its not good if they have to copy Dublins. Just saying.

keane2097

Aside from shooting when having advantage there definitely seemed to be a shot clock mentality to Kerry's attacking play in general.

One of the best aspects to Dublin's play in recent years has been the speed with which they work a shot opening on the majority of their plays - it would be nice to think we were starting to try and do something similar.

Boom__Boom

keane2097 wrote: »

I have genuinely never seen anything like what I saw from Kerry on Sunday before in several regards. I am a lot more confident of having to eat my words about a management bereft of ideas and nous in the coming months.

One small thing that I think was different was that someone seems to have taken the team aside and hammered into them the logic of shooting as soon as possible when you are in any sort of decent position when you have the 5 seconds for advantage. It's essentially a free shot at the posts as even if you balloon it wide you have a free. It drives me spare when players are attacking and the ref signals advantage and the players don't immediately work to get a shot off (even a relatively low quality one ) but stay in the mind-zone of trying to work the ball into an optimum shooting position. There was definitely 2 points scored while the ref was playing advantage (if not more) and there was one occasion where one of the players late on made a very serious attempt to throw the boot at it within the 5 seconds all while being heavily fouled (very bottle up 2 Clare players around them) even though they weren't in a great shooting position (especially in terms of their body position). It very much looked like the player (I think it was Gavin White) was aware of the logic of getting the shot away.

I definitely wouldn't be surprised if Wheldon was behind this as someone from a basketball background would have far more awareness of time management /using the shot clock. given how much a component of basketball the clock is in terms of getting a shot away.

Amprodude

dobman88 wrote: »

:pac: :pac:

Do ye see what I mean?? Lol

I have to applaud your consistency anyway. Fair play.

I always give credit where credit is due.

keane2097

brocbrocach wrote: »

How so? Emphasis on quick ball? You won't be giving away any secrets!

There's a few descriptions of our approach to opposition kickouts in various articles, that was very effective and quite novel.

There appears to be some attempt at getting two spare men in front of the D to stop runners through the middle. It was also noticeable that on the rare occasions where Clare prevented Kerry moving the ball inside quickly that after short periods of shovelling handpasses around Stephen O'Brien came flying onto the ball at the same angle at least three times breaking straight through cover. Didn't look like a coincidence.

O'Brien and Burns seemed to be involved in some sort of rotation behind the half backs also. There looked to be some method to our kickouts but I would hope there is a bit more cooking away than what we saw on that front.

It was hard to get a handle on everything that was going on but in my eyes it was different to anything I've seen us do in the last couple of years in a few regards.

brocbrocach

keane2097 wrote: »

I have genuinely never seen anything like what I saw from Kerry on Sunday before in several regards.

How so? Emphasis on quick ball? You won't be giving away any secrets!

keane2097

brocbrocach wrote: »

Any obvious change in style?

I've seen people in places talking about some aspects of 'same old, same old' for Kerry that have left me scratching my head.

I have genuinely never seen anything like what I saw from Kerry on Sunday before in several regards. I am a lot more confident of having to eat my words about a management bereft of ideas and nous in the coming months.

If we have a couple of additional ideas still under wraps I will be very impressed regardless of how we finish up this year.

munsterlegend

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Cork had better give ye an infinitely better game than Clare did.
That said, I find it hard not to see in or around a 10 point victory for Kerry.
That's not playing up Kerry or playing down Cork.
It's simply a very realistic outcome.

The first 20 minutes will be vital. If Kerry build a 5/6 point lead it will only get bigger and be over by half time. I didn't see the Clare match but 32 points is some scoring whether Clare threw in the towel or not. In reality Cork can only hope to be competitive rather than any realistic chance of winning save for a sending off or a few goals going in.

brocbrocach

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

When you add them to your ignore/ block list.

And you really should.

Was at the Game. P Geaney was motm for me by a mile.

The conditions were cauldron hot. Kerry ran out of steam halfway through the second half and 7 hungry subs came on and really upped the pace of the game.

Lads are obviously playing for places.

It remains to be seen how they do against Cork in Cork which will be a stiffer test but this Clare team have given us some frights in the last few years and Kerry simply blew them away

The pace at which they passed the ball and the interplay was the quickest I've ever seen from a Kerry team. They are a very well coached side.

Any obvious change in style?

Mr. Incognito

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

When does the novelty of being an internet wind-up merchant wear off?

When you add them to your ignore/ block list.

And you really should.

Was at the Game. P Geaney was motm for me by a mile.

The conditions were cauldron hot. Kerry ran out of steam halfway through the second half and 7 hungry subs came on and really upped the pace of the game.

Lads are obviously playing for places.

It remains to be seen how they do against Cork in Cork which will be a stiffer test but this Clare team have given us some frights in the last few years and Kerry simply blew them away

The pace at which they passed the ball and the interplay was the quickest I've ever seen from a Kerry team. They are a very well coached side.

munster87

Amprodude wrote: »

It's an honest assessment I feel. Kerry are the form team and they are looking pretty good now. Cork be doing well to hold them to <20 points..Clare were a fantastic team and really weren't up to dismantling Kerry.

Did you miss what Cork did to that great Tipp team in the other semi final?

Poor_old_gill

Amprodude wrote: »

It's an honest assessment I feel. Kerry are the form team and they are looking pretty good now. Cork be doing well to hold them to <20 points..Clare were a fantastic team and really weren't up to dismantling Kerry.

When does the novelty of being an internet wind-up merchant wear off?

ShamoBuc

Cork had better give ye an infinitely better game than Clare did.
That said, I find it hard not to see in or around a 10 point victory for Kerry.
That's not playing up Kerry or playing down Cork.
It's simply a very realistic outcome.