Cabaal wrote: » Before the ref the no side were fine with the local post man giving pills to women. They never once looked for any woman to be charged for illegally importing and using. Now they don't trust a qualified GP. Laughable.
Sweetemotion wrote: » Lets just sack doctors who have trained for years put in a lot of time and money who can help an awful lot people out on their asses just because they might disagree with the abortion of a fetus.
end of the road wrote: » that is an irrelevant comparison. without a lung transplant you will eventually die. only in a small minority of cases would non-provision of an abortion lead to a death, and i can't imagine a doctor who may be against abortion on demand refusing to provide in those cases.
WillContribute wrote: » I pose a question. ... A pregnant patient arrives seeking an abortion. The doctor isn't happy but the "newest" law says they should be sacked, if they don't. After cursory checks pregnancy onfirmed, blood pressure etc The GP declines, lots of possible reasons can be provided. (GP doesn't have: appropriate, equipment to satisfy legal requirements, support facilities, after hours support care, insurance, patient has other complicating conditions, etc) Their professional judgement anyway says that they are unable to give the best care to that patient to make it sufficiently safe to their satisfaction. The GP provides a page with a list of possible clinics or doctors that have more expertise and can give better care, but it is the choice of the patient as to what to do. The patient's medical file can be collected in an hour from the reception. It is nonsense to suggest that GPs can be forced. Some will do abortions, some won't. Doctors no different to any other industry, if they don't want to do something, they will find a reason that is more palatable. They referendum is passed, abortion is coming to Ireland, but I find the pro choice dogmatism bizzare, especially coming from a position of strength.
Annabella1 wrote: » My sources quoted above on another post are from Susan Mitchell SBP and the National Assoc GP's Nobody is trying to reverse the referendum-the 8th is gone Now it is time to discuss implementation which I support in a high quality supportive manner to women The only way to do that in my opinion and the vast majority of GP's are in specialised clinics (like the UK for the past 40yrs) to deliver the best care (even to prescribe pills before 12weeks) Sadly that wont suit politicians and the electorate as these clinics will be too visible
Sweetemotion wrote: » Abortion would probably be less than 1% of a doctors job what about the other 99% he could help?
alaimacerc wrote: » And is well-known, when it's actually dripping off them, that's Stage Four Leftism. Don't approach within 100m, as not only is it highly contagious, you can can contract it off them by airborne spread, too!
Sweetemotion wrote: » Nobody was fine with the post man giving pills to women.
spookwoman wrote: » I said docs but I use that as a general term for hospital / clinic etc. I also said the RCN would like to see women being able to take the pills at home. I am using it as an example of what is being suggested in the UK but this is not the UK this is Ireland. On another note about doctors objecting in IRELAND as it is there can be a weeks wait to see your own doctor then add the extra time if you have to go else where. Then there is the issue where many doctors will not take on new patients so what are these women supposed to do? If a doctor is getting money from the state eg to provide care to medical card carriers and care doc services then they should have to provide abortion services. If they don't like it then they can go fully private, notify their patients and put up a sign saying they object to abortions and they will not provide them.
Annabella1 wrote: » Thank you So the UK has not allowed stand alone GP's to prescribe/administer abortion pills for 40 years We have to ask why... I presume the amount of C.Objector GP's after 40 years of liberal regime is tiny in the UK Therefore it must be for reasons of safety meaning women need access to specialist clinics to access best care This will cost money
Sweetemotion wrote: » That's easy to say when your not the one with everything to lose.
ELM327 wrote: » Nothing to do with 24 week timeframe, no?
Annabella1 wrote: » Thank you So the UK has not allowed stand alone GP's to prescribe/administer abortion pills for 40 years We have to ask why... I presume the amount of C.Objector GP's after 40 years of liberal regime is tiny in the UKTherefore it must be for reasons of safety meaning women need access to specialist clinics to access best care This will cost money
Annabella1 wrote: » GP's do not prescribe...full stop in UK Corners must not be cut on women's health and safety I am not anti-abortion (btw)
Fighting Tao wrote: » Why must Ireland follow the UK?
ohnonotgmail wrote: » It is really funny that before the referendum the No side harped about all the bad aspects of the UK system and now they want us to follow it.
end of the road wrote: because they should not be expected to have any hand in an abortion if they don't want to. abortion being very different to anything in any other job.
Annabella1 wrote: » ELM327 wrote: » Nothing to do with 24 week timeframe, no? GP's do not prescribe...full stop in UK Corners must not be cut on women's health and safety I am not anti-abortion (btw)
Calina wrote: » One of the key tools used by the anti-choice campaigns is to place barriers in the provision of abortion services under the heading of "protecting women" but mostly for preventing them from getting an abortion.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » One of those, y’know, nudge nudge, wink wink.
erica74 wrote: » The reason why there are stand alone clinics in the UK is because of the demand for services. There are far more people over there and that's before you even factor in all of the additional women who travel to the UK from other countries. We simply don't have the demand for a stand alone service here. Additionally, cost should not be an additional hurdle in time sensitive medical care.
_Dara_ wrote: » But that was the reality. Whenever medical care was withheld from a pregnant woman in order not to harm a foetus, at that moment, the rights of the foetus superseded the rights of the woman. Not a strawman at all.
RobertKK wrote: » Pro-choice doctor calls for opt in for doctors. Also calls for the New Zealand system where conscientious objection is respected. He says 80% of GPs don’t want to carry out abortions.http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/medical-abortion-is-not-part-of-routine-general-practice-85-of-gps-are-of-this-opinion-4064057-Jun2018/
ELM327 wrote: » There should not be an additional cost at all. Free. Safe. Legal. We've got the second two but the first is equally or more important. The 8th caused a socioeconomic barrier to abortion due to the cost of "getting the boat". That barrier needs to be lifted too.
