pitifulgod wrote: » Do you support absolute free speech so?
Yeah_Right wrote: » You only answered half the question. Would you defend their right to use the same tactics as pro-lifers like the ICBR?
end of the road wrote: » for the most part yes. i think liable laws and the laws around discussion of cases going through the courts would probably be the only restrictions i'd support. it's not something i have fully thought about however. i would defend such a right yes. i believe they shouldn't take up such tactics but i believe they have a right to. let public opinion judge them.
end of the road wrote: » i'd be surprised if it would tbh. i'd reccan it's more likely to spur them to continue, and play the victim as well. but would possibly be willing to accept jail time as part of fighting the cause. because i believe in the right to protest regardless of whether i agree with or like or not, specific protests or protesters. anything that restricts the right to protest, in my view leaves the possibility of extension to other areas and before we know it the possible erosion of our right to protest.
Joeytheparrot wrote: » This is quite sickening. You are defending harassing people outside surgeries and hospitals. Shameful.
Joeytheparrot wrote: » You do in your sh ite support absolute free speech. If I said all travellers should be exterminated you would be one of the first to object.
end of the road wrote: » no i'm not. i'm defending people's right to protest regardless of my personal views on specific protests or protesters. i would condemn the statement absolutely. however one has the right to make such a nonsense statement and to be called out and shown up via being challenged.
Joeytheparrot wrote: » So basically you think its fine for people accessing healthcare to be harassed and for calls for people to be violently murdered on the basis of their ethnic minority status because of absolute free speech. You also refuse to uphold the incitement to hatred act 1989 on the basis of "absolute free speech". You refuse to acknowledge that travellers would have the right to be safe and free from discrimination on the basis of "absolute free speech" Shameful. Utterly shameful. In fact worse than shameful. You think its ok to harass people acessing healthcare. You think its ok to call for travellers to be discriminated against and to be murdered because they are travellers.
Hammer Archer wrote: » If I remember correctly, the poster also advocated using physical force to stop members of the public crossing a picket line during the Luas strikes.
robarmstrong wrote: » Don't start him with travellers, I gave details about an incident that happened to me with two travellers attempting to mug me only for me to give one of them an awful hiding yet I was accused of victim blaming (whatever the f*ck that is) by the very same poster. Defends peoples right to protest yet posts that people should be smashed about with baton charges for protesting at concerts. Insists nobody has labelled abortion or women who have sought out abortions murder/murderers yet has unholy amounts of posts suggesting otherwise. There must be an intense flavour of foot in that mouth eotr.
Annabella1 wrote: » Seems vast majority of GP's unhappy (85%) due to variety of reasons Overwork/Safety fears/Insurance/Ethical GP's don't prescribe in the UK but refer to the local BPAS unit where they receive appropriate counselling ultrasound and back up afterwards People want the best care for women?? Do the same here but it will cost money+
Annabella1 wrote: » National Association GP's - 2000 members 85% feel abortion not routine GP work Sunday Business Post survey 880 GP's 70% will not provide abortion services We need to look at a safe abortion service for women-GP cover will be too patchy Pay BPAS to come here and set up clinics offering proper counselling and back up to ensure a world class abortion service What are people afraid of??
Cupcake_Crisis wrote: » As far as I’m concerned, a GP can be a conscientious objector to their hearts content. But to refuse to refer is prioritizing the unborn patient above the living patient. It’s saying ‘I think the 8 week old fetus in your womb has more value than you- my patient of however many years so I’m going to refuse to treat you or help you find someone who will’. And tbh it’s just petulant.
Yeah_Right wrote: » Huh?? The guys can get on with their lives too. They generally don't concern themselves with a woman's medical problems. Maybe they'll make them a cup of tea or something and then they get on with their lives.
topper75 wrote: » Nobody ever talked about the fetus being MORE valuable. That is one pretty shameful strawman argument in your post - probably the worst I have seen any debate on here.
topper75 wrote: » I was referring to the kids who were killed because they weren't convenient.
topper75 wrote: » Nobody ever talked about the fetus being MORE valuable. That is one pretty shameful strawman argument in your post - probably the worst I have seen any debate on here. Guys? I was referring to the kids who were killed because they weren't convenient.
spookwoman wrote: » No need for BPAS, it's 2 pills. In fact the UK wants to allow women to take the pills, especially the 2nd lot at home so they can bleed in the comfort of their own homes. Normally the first is taken at the docs and then the 2nd is inserted the next day. Some places will make the woman take the 2 together which causes them to start the process nearly straight away so women have to rush home before the contractions and bleeding starts. Allowing them to take the pills at home would also mean a lot of women would access the service earlier in the pregnancy and that would also mean fewer complications. For those complaining that abortions would clog up the hospitals, fewer complications also mean fewer referrals to hospitals.
Annabella1 wrote: » There are no plans in the UK for a GP based service despite having abortion for 40 years This 'GP based service' was pre election Government spin to make it palatable to the electorate Simply take a few pills and all will be fine and dandy.Nice and cheap and out of sight GP's here are having none of it. They want the best care for women They have zero access to proper counselling and public ultrasound to confirm dates as it stands If 75% GP's do not participate but are happy to refer - the Government will need a Plan B
Taytoland wrote: » Why are some still arguing about this? The people have spoken, they don't want strict abortion laws anymore. It's OVER. I am against abortion, I think it is immoral but I wouldn't waste my time arguing against it like some on here. Nothing can be done about it now. What is the point arguing against it? The vote must be respected and the will of the people carried out. That is democracy. You can have an opposite view like I have but to carry on moaning about it is just going to drive you up the wall, a bit like AC Grayling the EU lunatic traitor.
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