Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

The US has had constant growth since 2010

eagle eye wrote: »

Are you saying that this just happened since Trump took office?

No ..The outcome was already known for years ... Trump just happened to be the president in charge

eagle eye wrote: »

When did it start improving? What was put in place by the Obama administration to turn things around?

Maybe this graph of the Dow jones helps a bit

The US was in a recession when he took over from Bush

eagle eye

I listened to that video and he never said he trusted him but that is what is written on the tweet.
Then he joked that he might never admit it and that is put in the tweet as a serious quote.
I used to laugh at Trump's fake news accusations but that there makes it seem like it's actually fake news or at least twisted.

Getting a meeting with North Korea was never a problem, having a meeting which sacrafices the legitimizing of the Leadership of NK on an international stage was always the issue. The concessions from NK would need to be huge.

eagle eye

weisses wrote:

It had to do with the speed NK developed their nukes ... Trump happens to be the president that has to deal with Kim because of this

Are you saying that this just happened since Trump took office?

weisses wrote:

Its great like ..... Improving since Obama

When did it start improving? What was put in place by the Obama administration to turn things around?

everlast75

eagle eye wrote: »

Trump certainly deserves credit for this. To the best of my knowledge there was nothing about this mentioned before he became President.

I haven't been following things stateside lately. How is the economy doing? Last I heard it was improving.

Well if you admit to not knowing how things are going over in the States, try googling Mueller, indictments, the word "scandals", etc etc and that will tell you all you need to know.

This is a moment of unbelievable honesty by Trump. Tells you all you need to know about him

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1006473156868091904?s=19

eagle eye wrote: »

Trump certainly deserves credit for this. To the best of my knowledge there was nothing about this mentioned before he became President..

It had to do with the speed NK developed their nukes ... Trump happens to be the president that has to deal with Kim because of this

eagle eye wrote: »

I haven't been following things stateside lately. How is the economy doing? Last I heard it was improving.

Its grand like ..... Improving since Obama

eagle eye

Trump certainly deserves credit for this. To the best of my knowledge there was nothing about this mentioned before he became President.

I haven't been following things stateside lately. How is the economy doing? Last I heard it was improving.

Pelvis wrote: »

Ads you're making no sense. Why don't you just answer the question put to you and stop playing silly games.

You say Trump should be congratulated for the achievement. Well, what is the achievement?

We're not talking about that. They're trying to say I think Trump is specifically special for doing it when I've already stated that any president who sat down was achieving something.

To answer your question, progress towards peace on the peninsula and some good future relations and more chance of the gulags etc. being removed. The same as I'd say for Bush, Obama or Clinton.

Why is this so controversial? Moon was lauded for his meeting with Kim and achieved about the same. Progress.

Deleted User wrote: »

Phonehead and weisses are on my Ignore List now since that can only be trolling. Arguing over a language I taught for seven years.

trolling

Pelvis

Ads you're making no sense. Why don't you just answer the question put to you and stop playing silly games.

You say Trump should be congratulated for the achievement. Well, what is the achievement?

Deleted User wrote: »

It doesn't contradict it at all. Stop lying.

The focus here is "special".

Not lying ..Im directly quoting you

I think your focus is all over the place

Phonehead and weisses are on my Ignore List now since that can only be trolling. Arguing over a language I taught for seven years.

weisses wrote: »

Nope ... Its a direct quote from you

I asked you What is this achievement by Trump that needs to be congratulated ??

To wich you replied

which contradicts your quote below right ?

To continue on what he achieved

You cannot make this **** up

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-muses-about-condos-on-north-koreas-great-beaches

It doesn't contradict it at all. Stop lying.

The focus here is "special".

Phonehead wrote: »

Ah Ads, this is ridiculous. You claimed you didn't say something and then you are quoted the text where you did say it... Yet you are still the victim

I claimed I never said Trump was special for doing it, and any president would have done it.

"The best thing the Democrats and CNN could do today would be to congratulate Trump on his achievement"

That is not saying Trump is special. It's saying Trump was the person there.

Should I really have said

"The best thing the Democrats and CNN could do today would be to congratulate the US president on their achievement"

??

That's my big mistake here is it?

Deleted User wrote: »

You have got to be kidding me. That is just so dishonest and pathetic.

Nope ... Its a direct quote from you

I asked you What is this achievement by Trump that needs to be congratulated ??

To wich you replied

Not once have I said this achievement is specific to Trump.

which contradicts your quote below right ?

The best thing the Democrats and CNN could do today would be to congratulate Trump on his achievement

To continue on what he achieved

"They have great beaches. You see that whenever they're exploding their cannons into the ocean," Trump said during a marathon press conference held after the conclusion of his historic summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in Singapore.

"I said, 'Boy, look at that view. Wouldn't that make a great condo? Instead of doing that you could have the best hotels in the world right there. Think of it from a real estate perspective, you have South Korea, you have China, and they own the land in the middle, how bad is that, right? It's great," Trump said.

You cannot make this **** up

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-muses-about-condos-on-north-koreas-great-beaches

Ah Ads, this is ridiculous. You claimed you didn't say something and then you are quoted the text where you did say it... Yet you are still the victim

weisses wrote: »

Yes you did

You have got to be kidding me. That is just so dishonest and pathetic. It's his name and it is his achievement, just like it would have been Obama's, Hillary's or Bush's. You want me to write in legalese?

Leroy, this is the nonsense I was talking about being hurled at me, in case you doubted it. Pure and utter scutter.

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm bored of this by now. You can bring any human achievement back down to basics.

"He kicked a ball ? Into a net ? On grass ?"

You brought up the achievement .... You have to look at it in its context

Deleted User wrote: »

Not once have I said this achievement is specific to Trump.

Yes you did

The best thing the Democrats and CNN could do today would be to congratulate Trump on his achievement

Deleted User wrote: »

Perhaps, you could highlight why Bush, Obama and Hillary would also achieved absolutely nothing by sitting down with Kim.

You think they would have gotten a better agreement? I don't. NK is a nuclear nation now.

perhaps not ... They also probably wouldn't have called him little rocket man ... But its mostly whataboutery anyway

MadYaker

Big win for Kim today. The point of their nuclear weapons programme was to get them meeting like this. They are a player on the world stage now. But this sort of thing is propaganda gold for Kim back home. As most people expected today was just a meet and greet. But who knows maybe something good will come of it.

Phonehead wrote: »

I disagree that the military exercises served no purpose. They kept NK fully aware of just how outgunned they were and a certain level of realism within the ranks of the NK leadership. That is why the Supreme leaders hated the exercises, now it's no more.

An aircraft carrier achieves the same purpose though.

While the exercises may have been great at one point, they become irrelevant when nukes are involved. If sacrificing exercises gets things back on track on the peninsula, it's worth it.

weisses wrote: »

What is this achievement by Trump that needs to be congratulated ??

That they sat down ?

That they shook hands ?

I'm bored of this by now. You can bring any human achievement back down to basics.

"He kicked a ball ? Into a net ? On grass ?"

Not once have I said this achievement is specific to Trump. Any US president who sat down with Kim after a thermonuclear test was achieving something. I already stated that Bush, Obama and Hillary would have likely done the same.

Perhaps, you could highlight why Bush, Obama and Hillary would also achieved absolutely nothing by sitting down with Kim.

You think they would have gotten a better agreement? I don't. NK is a nuclear nation now.

B0jangles

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Whatever is happening in the world is happening despite Trump, not because of him.
It's like there's an office where some serious business is going down, but someone's child-care was closed for the day and they had to bring their 5 year old child with ADHD in with them.
What is happening now is that a lot of grown-ups are trying to go about their business, while this child is running around, pulling things off the table, kicking random people in the shin, screaming and generally behaving like an absolute tit.
The US economy has been doing well under Obama, Trump has so far destroyed jobs in the renewable sector (imposing trraifs on imported solar panels and leaving the Paris accord) whilst doing nothing whatsoever for coal except blowing a lot of hot air.

https://www.ft.com/content/6a5fa710-46ea-11e7-8d27-59b4dd6296b8
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/1/4/16848650/trump-coal-industry-2017

He also has kicked off a trade war with Europe, Canada and Mexico which will further damage the US economy.
In the long term, Trump will do massive damage to the global economy with his "edgy" and "unpredictable" policies, i.e. by behaving like a complete and utter twat, alienating trade partners and having fines and tarrifs imposed on the US in return.
He thinks his trade aprtners in the world are like his suppliers, in that he can stiff them and they will simply not fight back because they don't have the means to sue the money out of him.
So at some stage the 5 year old will have thrown over a few desks, unplugged a few computers and finally he will pull the fire alarm and then it's all over.
If they put a chimp in the White House, it would do a better job. I have seen bits of lemon peel float down the Liffey that would do a better job. And it is sad that a lot of people's IQ has seemingly fallen into single digits, because they think he's the greatest man that ever walked the Earth since the last dude walked on water.

TL:DR:
Trump will cause a recession like any Republican ever, the Democrats will get elected to fix their sh*t and will get nothing but hatred in return.
Exactly like FF and FG in Ireland.

See, it's people saying stuff like this that made them elect him in the first place.

So it's really your fault, not the fault of the cabbages that voted for him.

:mad:

jooksavage

The agreement a bit thin on specifics and falls waaaaay short of Washington's stated goals. No CVID of nuclear weapons - things haven't moved any further on from the Kim-Moon summit - and no formal commitment to a peace treaty (the 1953 armistice will apparently remain in place). It's impossible to say at this point how significant this summit is - the coming months and years will tell us that. China should be pleased though - it looks like their buffer is no danger of melting away anytime soon, the threat of war has been walked back and burden of keeping NK from starving will likely be distributed.

dr.fuzzenstein

Whatever is happening in the world is happening despite Trump, not because of him.
It's like there's an office where some serious business is going down, but someone's child-care was closed for the day and they had to bring their 5 year old child with ADHD in with them.
What is happening now is that a lot of grown-ups are trying to go about their business, while this child is running around, pulling things off the table, kicking random people in the shin, screaming and generally behaving like an absolute tit.
The US economy has been doing well under Obama, Trump has so far destroyed jobs in the renewable sector (imposing trraifs on imported solar panels and leaving the Paris accord) whilst doing nothing whatsoever for coal except blowing a lot of hot air.

https://www.ft.com/content/6a5fa710-46ea-11e7-8d27-59b4dd6296b8
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/1/4/16848650/trump-coal-industry-2017

He also has kicked off a trade war with Europe, Canada and Mexico which will further damage the US economy.
In the long term, Trump will do massive damage to the global economy with his "edgy" and "unpredictable" policies, i.e. by behaving like a complete and utter twat, alienating trade partners and having fines and tarrifs imposed on the US in return.
He thinks his trade aprtners in the world are like his suppliers, in that he can stiff them and they will simply not fight back because they don't have the means to sue the money out of him.
So at some stage the 5 year old will have thrown over a few desks, unplugged a few computers and finally he will pull the fire alarm and then it's all over.
If they put a chimp in the White House, it would do a better job. I have seen bits of lemon peel float down the Liffey that would do a better job. And it is sad that a lot of people's IQ has seemingly fallen into single digits, because they think he's the greatest man that ever walked the Earth since the last dude walked on water.

TL:DR:
Trump will cause a recession like any Republican ever, the Democrats will get elected to fix their sh*t and will get nothing but hatred in return.
Exactly like FF and FG in Ireland.

Hande hoche!

weisses wrote: »

What is this achievement by Trump that needs to be congratulated ??

That they sat down ?

That they shook hands ?

One thing is the atmosphere. It feels a lot less like 2003 circa run up to the Iraq debacle.

Deleted User wrote: »

The best thing the Democrats and CNN could do today would be to congratulate Trump on his achievement.

What is this achievement by Trump that needs to be congratulated ??

That they sat down ?

That they shook hands ?