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Tommy Robinson jailed

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Apparently according to Lauren Southern, Tommy has been sentenced to 13 months but there is a UK wide embargo on reporting.

Anyone else got any info?

Edit. Not too sure about the authenticity of the embargo. I'm assuming that it's for this https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/tommy-robinson-arrested-leeds-court-child-grooming-trial-edl-founder-latest-a8368821.html?amp

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jooksavage

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Maybe, just maybe, this is exactly what he should be doing?

If a skinhead merrily sieg heiled in front of a banner bearing my name, I'd be pretty quick to condemn that. The chances of TR doing that are.... yeah....

Remember though - this totally non-racist former-racist only surrounds himself with racists and agrees with the racist stuff they say and do.

FTA69

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I'm saying that the two - xenophia and racism - are different. You can be one without the other. And dodgy bastard is a third distinction.

Yeah you're also splitting hairs too. Racism and xenophobia are connected ideologies that can overlap; the definition of racism also encompasses nationality and ethnicity.

Robinson has been a member of and associated with organisations who espouse both.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

FTA69 wrote: »

Sorry let rephrase. The far right has traditionally been associated with racism and xenophobia, is that ok?

Robinson himself has been a member of a racist party and currently supports racist organisations. Hence it's not at all out of order to point out that Robinson is a dodgy bastard.

I'm saying that the two - xenophia and racism - are different. You can be one without the other. And dodgy bastard is a third distinction.

Captain Obvious

jmayo wrote: »

These are serious questions for those who detest Tommy Robinson.

Do you ever wonder why he is popular, and not just with knuckle dragger BNP types ?

Or do you seriously just believe more and more people are now racist and would be nazis ?

Do you ever wonder why the real far right (not just someone anti immigration as often labelled here), the nazis, the neo nazis are growing in popularity across Europe?

Do you ever wonder why Le Pen has massive support in Calais area?

For instance in the 11th constituency of the Pas-de-Calais, Le Pen won the national Assembly seat in 2017.
She won 46% of the vote.

That seat has been held since 1988 by Socialist Party and even Communist Party candidates.
Not sure if that constituency existed prior to 1988?

Now can anyone give me a reason why the National Front leader would be reversing a left wing seat so comprehensibly in the Calais area ?

Or are you just going to give us the glib answer that they are all now racists, father.

People are being pushed to the right and the right is benefiting from the fact in the likes of the UK, Corbyns Labour are shoving identity politics and ignoring the plight of what was once their support base.

Yes a lot of right wingers, religious nutjobs, gun toting eejits, tea partists voted for Trump in the US.
But he reversed Mid West, Northern states that voted overwhelmingly for Democrats down through the years and indeed helped Obama to victory twice.
Of course the simple answer is that they are all would be racists, bigots, idiots who believe the myth about making America great again.

But maybe if you stand back you might notice people, ordinary people, are getting pi**ed off and they eventually start turning to whoever they think is listening to them.

And when people speak of nazis/neo nazis and strange bedfellows today, most of those nazis/neo nazis probably haven't ever cottoned on to the fact the much vaunted ultra nazis, the SS, had an entire division of Bosnian muslims.

They play off fear an ignorance and manipulate information to spread lies. There's no mystery to their popularity.

FTA69

jmayo wrote: »

This is a serious question for those who detest Tommy Robinson.

Do you ever wonder why he is popular, and not just with knuckle dragger BNP types ?

Or do you seriously just believe more and more people are now racist and would be nazis ?

Do you ever wonder why the real far right, the nazis, the neo nazis are growing in popularity across Europe?

Do you ever wonder why Le Pen has massive support in Calais area?

For instance in the 11th constituency of the Pas-de-Calais, Le Pen won the national Assembly seat in 2017.
She won 46% of the vote.

That seat has been held since 1988 by Socialist Party and even Communist Party candidates.
Not sure if that constituency existed prior to 1988?

Now can anyone give me a reason why the National Front leader would be reversing a left wing seat so comprehensibly in the Calais area ?

Or are you just going to give us the glib answer that they are all now racists, father.

People are being pushed to the right and the right is benefiting from the fact in the likes of the UK, Corbyns Labour are shoving identity politics and ignoring the plight of what was once their support base.

Yes a lot of right wingers, religious nutjobs, gun toting eejits, tea partists voted for Trump in the US.
But he reversed Mid West, Northern states that voted overwhelmingly for Democrats down through the years and indeed helped Obama to victory twice.
Of course the simple answer is that they are all would be racists, bigots, idiots who believe the myth about making America great again.

But maybe if you stand back you might notice people, ordinary people, are getting pi**ed off and they eventually start turning to whoever they think is listening to them.

And when people speak of nazis/neo nazis and strange bedfellows today, most of them probably haven't ever cottoned on to the fact the much vaunted ultra nazis, the SS, had an entire division of Bosnian muslims.

I agree with nearly everything you say mate. The reality is that the broad left presided over an economic system that threw huge swathes of working class people on the srapheap - huge amounts of Front Nationale voters in France used to vote for the Communists at one stage. Where once we had decent jobs and working class areas had pride, now we have zero hours contracts and sh*t jobs in Asda. And the party of the workers in the UK for two decades told these people that that was a good thing and they should shut up and go and become a computer programmer or something. On top of that nobody in the mainstream or alternative media looks or sounds like people from these communities - they're mostly a load of smug graduates who talk down to people and haven't a f*cking clue what it's like in places like Grimsby or Grays. We also have a systematic destruction of social provisions that people relied on and now it takes a week to get a GP appointment and council housing is a thing of the past.

The reality is that there is now a massive chasm between that sort of post-industrial working class and a perceived political and media elite they feel don't represent their interests. The ironic thing is that most of them agree with 90% of Labour's ideas around things like work, housing, health, education and transport but Labour has a massive amount of ground to make up - something which they may never do in fact.

So no, I don't think those who like Robinson are politically-convinced racists; I think they're largely ordinary people who are p*ssed off. However, Robinson and his ilk don't give a f*ck about these problems and are interested solely in boosting themselves. He's totally incapable of providing any solutions or any alternatives.

Ulysses Gaze

jooksavage wrote: »

He was a racist before. A lot of the people he surrounds himself with are racist and he has declined to call out racist beahaviour. But he's not a racist, I think that should be pretty clear to everyone.

Maybe, just maybe, this is exactly what he should be doing?

Odhinn

jooksavage wrote: »

He was a racist before. A lot of the people he surrounds himself with are racist and he has declined to call out racist beahaviour. But he's not a racist, I think that should be pretty clear to everyone.

As clear as mud.

jmayo

These are serious questions for those who detest Tommy Robinson.

Do you ever wonder why he is popular, and not just with knuckle dragger BNP types ?

Or do you seriously just believe more and more people are now racist and would be nazis ?

Do you ever wonder why the real far right (not just someone anti immigration as often labelled here), the nazis, the neo nazis are growing in popularity across Europe?

Do you ever wonder why Le Pen has massive support in Calais area?

For instance in the 11th constituency of the Pas-de-Calais, Le Pen won the national Assembly seat in 2017.
She won 46% of the vote.

That seat has been held since 1988 by Socialist Party and even Communist Party candidates.
Not sure if that constituency existed prior to 1988?

Now can anyone give me a reason why the National Front leader would be reversing a left wing seat so comprehensibly in the Calais area ?

Or are you just going to give us the glib answer that they are all now racists, father.

People are being pushed to the right and the right is benefiting from the fact in the likes of the UK, Corbyns Labour are shoving identity politics and ignoring the plight of what was once their support base.

Yes a lot of right wingers, religious nutjobs, gun toting eejits, tea partists voted for Trump in the US.
But he reversed Mid West, Northern states that voted overwhelmingly for Democrats down through the years and indeed helped Obama to victory twice.
Of course the simple answer is that they are all would be racists, bigots, idiots who believe the myth about making America great again.

But maybe if you stand back you might notice people, ordinary people, are getting pi**ed off and they eventually start turning to whoever they think is listening to them.

And when people speak of nazis/neo nazis and strange bedfellows today, most of those nazis/neo nazis probably haven't ever cottoned on to the fact the much vaunted ultra nazis, the SS, had an entire division of Bosnian muslims.

jooksavage

FTA69 wrote: »

Sorry let rephrase. The far right has traditionally been associated with racism and xenophobia, is that ok?

Robinson himself has been a member of a racist party and currently supports racist organisations. Hence it's not at all out of order to point out that Robinson is a dodgy bastard.

He was a racist before. A lot of the people he surrounds himself with are racist and he has declined to call out racist beahaviour. But he's not a racist, I think that should be pretty clear to everyone.

FTA69

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Ah, I said racist, not xenophobic! Different things!

Sorry let rephrase. The far right has traditionally been associated with racism and xenophobia, is that ok?

Robinson himself has been a member of a racist party and currently supports racist organisations. Hence it's not at all out of order to point out that Robinson is a dodgy bastard.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

FTA69 wrote: »

You can but far-rightism and xenophobia tend to go hand in hand I'm sure we can all agree. Likewise, Robinson was a member of an avowedly racist organisation for long enough and today he is proudly supporting white supremacists in Generation Identity; his last stunt in Hyde Park was in support of one of their leaders, Martin Sellner. Generation Identity members are also in constant attendance at Robinson marches (along with members of all the usual fascist parties).

The vast majority of people marching in London yesterday weren't politically-convinced racists; but there's no disguising the fact that the march did contain ideological racists and also a thuggish element who started pelting missiles at the cops.

As usual though, I can't fathom how some Irish people are so determined to support the British far-right. It's silly to say the least.

Ah, I said racist, not xenophobic! Different things!

ohnonotgmail

Grayson wrote: »

Just as confusing as this one

What nationality would you most like to keep on in the UK?
African, because my nana's African. She was a white African from somewhere next to Cape Town. She moved back here in 1987 or something. My granddad was in the RAF over there and she came back with him.

nationality..... African.....because of white people.

Yeah, so africans are ok as long as they are white. Thats not a bit racist at all.

Grayson

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I'm trying to figure that one out.

Just as confusing as this one

What nationality would you most like to keep on in the UK?
African, because my nana's African. She was a white African from somewhere next to Cape Town. She moved back here in 1987 or something. My granddad was in the RAF over there and she came back with him.

nationality..... African.....because of white people.

nicedryturf

Listened yesterday to the wonderful Antonia Fraser talk about her book about Catholic emancipation in Britain in the early 19th century.

There's very little new about the wave of anti-Islam fervor. Anti-papist hysteria in the 18th century was even more extreme and widespread. Just as some would equate all muslims with sharia law, for centuries Catholics were viewed as agents of Britain's eternal enemies Spain and France and, as subjects of the Pope, they were generally suspected of disloyalty. An attempt to roll back some of the more extreme anti-papist measures in 1780 led to the murderous Gordon Riots.

While some of Yaxley-Lennon's minions might actually think they're crusaders at some kind of cultural precipice, they're just another gaggle of dummies on the conveyor belt of history.

FTA69

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

You can be far right without being racist (that said, though, if what you say above is true, he could pick his friends a little bit more wisely)...

You can but far-rightism and xenophobia tend to go hand in hand I'm sure we can all agree. Likewise, Robinson was a member of an avowedly racist organisation for long enough and today he is proudly supporting white supremacists in Generation Identity; his last stunt in Hyde Park was in support of one of their leaders, Martin Sellner. Generation Identity members are also in constant attendance at Robinson marches (along with members of all the usual fascist parties).

The vast majority of people marching in London yesterday weren't politically-convinced racists; but there's no disguising the fact that the march did contain ideological racists and also a thuggish element who started pelting missiles at the cops.

As usual though, I can't fathom how some Irish people are so determined to support the British far-right. It's silly to say the least.

ohnonotgmail

Grayson wrote: »

I googled a story about the BNP getting a black DJ by accident yesterday and found this https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/7bkm9y/babes-of-the-bnp

Now it's just a couple of interviews. One certainly can't make a blanket statement about all of the EDL's membership based on this. However it's the same type of person that you're talking about.

And another

Link I said, you can't take two interviews and say everyone is like that. But jesus those two are stupid.

I wouldn't mind them if they actually worked and didn't take all of our jobs

I'm trying to figure that one out.

Grayson

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Ya I don't get it. Shows lack of knowledge. It be like Irish Republican signing in good the Sash

I googled a story about the BNP getting a black DJ by accident yesterday and found this https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/7bkm9y/babes-of-the-bnp

Now it's just a couple of interviews. One certainly can't make a blanket statement about all of the EDL's membership based on this. However it's the same type of person that you're talking about.

What's the best thing about living in Britain today?
I hate Britain, and I want to move to Spain in the next couple of years, 'cause our country's not England any more. It's very rare for English people to live here any more. When I went to Lanzarote, I felt more English there than I do here, and that's no exaggeration.

But won't you then be an immigrant too?
Yeah, but the answer to that is I would go over to their country and respect their country. I wouldn't go over there and try and do suicidal bombs [sic]. The immigrants that come over to this country should be making this a good country and proud of it and helping this country, but most of them don't.

What do you think symbolises Britain best?
Well, I used to know Britain as strong, and over the past couple of years, I don't know if I've grown up, but I've seen it going soft. The memory I have is the war, and how we fighted [sic] all the people in WWI and WWII, and it makes me proud to be British.

And another

Which do you dislike more, Muslims or black people?
Muslims. I've never seen any advertisements about blacks who come here and don't work. It's more the Muslims, 'cause basically that's what I object to. My mum split up with my dad a couple of years ago, and she was going to get a flat off the council, and the first question they asked her on the form was "Are you an immigrant?" I don't agree with that, you see, so that's where it started from.

So you agree with the BNP's send-em-back policies?
Yeah.

But would it be possible to maybe come to a compromise with a noble race like the Chinese? Perhaps keep them on as a sort of servant class?
Yeah. I wouldn't mind them if they actually worked and didn't take all of our jobs, basically. I wouldn't mind them if they contributed something to this country.

What nationality would you most like to keep on in the UK?
African, because my nana's African. She was a white African from somewhere next to Cape Town. She moved back here in 1987 or something. My granddad was in the RAF over there and she came back with him.

Link I said, you can't take two interviews and say everyone is like that. But jesus those two are stupid.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

FTA69 wrote: »

His personal story is a fictitious load of nonsense. He was a member of two fascistic organisations previous to this and now hangs around with Generation Identity, actual white supremacists. He's a far rightist who has been backed by others on the far right and has gained himself a niche. Anyone buying into this "ordinary working class lad from Luton" shtick is a fool.

You can be far right without being racist (that said, though, if what you say above is true, he could pick his friends a little bit more wisely)...

Grayson

JustAThought wrote: »

I hear the Home Secretary -who has license to free or intervene -is either the brother or brother in law of the chief constable in the midlands -one of the areas wher so many of these rapes of children -CHILDREN RAPED - went on for YEARS.

That is the literal definition of a rumor. Have you got any links to back it up? And once you prove it actually is the case, can you show how it's relevant.

Also, do you need to type the same thing twice, and once in caps? We all know that these thing happened. It's the reason there's a trial on at the moment. A trial that Tommy/Stephen disrupted.

The_Kew_Tour

super_furry wrote: »

And the same morons who love to sing about the second world war.

Ya I don't get it. Shows lack of knowledge. It be like Irish Republican signing in good the Sash

super_furry

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

The lads throwing Nazi salutes in Belfast yesterday are same lads who probably have Israel flag flying over their homes

And the same morons who love to sing about the second world war.

JustAThought

I hear the Home Secretary -who has license to free or intervene -is either the brother or brother in law of the chief constable in the midlands -one of the areas wher so many of these rapes of children -CHILDREN RAPED - went on for YEARS.
There is something so sick and disturbing about all of this. Organised gangs of middle aged men predominately muslim raping CHILDREN and drugging them to rape them -children as young as ten and eleven - and the poluce, local authorities and child welfare agencies unwilling or unable to do anything. I watched a uk crimeline investugation on this at least fifteen years ago where distraught parents were begging the police to do something and this was long before it became a thing to complain about cultural untouchables or political policing or the refusal of police to act for fear of cries of racism. The whole revolting thing is just horrifying - along with watching accused gang rapists of children strut into court swearing and f'ing at journalists with no sign of remorse whatsoever. The children they raped are destroyed for life and the paedophile ring continues as we type.

The_Kew_Tour

The lads throwing Nazi salutes in Belfast yesterday are same lads who probably have Israel flag flying over their homes

FTA69

His personal story is a fictitious load of nonsense. He was a member of two fascistic organisations previous to this and now hangs around with Generation Identity, actual white supremacists. He's a far rightist who has been backed by others on the far right and has gained himself a niche. Anyone buying into this "ordinary working class lad from Luton" shtick is a fool.

omta

Very interesting discussion overall about Tommy Robinson. Like many others I always thought he was an ignorant racist thug, but on seeing his talk at the Oxford Union (Very prestigious Student debating society at Oxford University - 915,000 views so far!) I was very impressed and now do not believe he is in any way racist.

(search youtube for: "tommy robinson oxford union" )

Yes, he is higly critical of many aspects of Islam, but this has zero to do with racism. He is very positive about and good friends with with many non-white people in Britain (some in his own family). The facts about his terrible harassment by MI5 and the police are terrifying (nighttime raids on his home, trawling for any infringemts to charge him with etc, being greatly pressurised into becoming an MI5 agent of influence, but refusing - to his great detriment etc...)
Every single article in the press starts with "The former leader of the EDL, Tommy Robinson..." I could understand some articles having this, but every single one?

The facts are: that he struggled greatly to keep Nazis and racists OUT of the EDL (physically fighting with one Nazi, buring a Nazi flag, and being subsequently threatened by Nazis for doing so) so it is unjust and unfair of many on this thread to tar and condemn him without hearing his words in the talk at the Oxford Union, and reading his actual story. Please people, view the whole video first, and then come back here and make any criticism of him you like.

You may be right about him being foolish for live broadcasting outside the rape gang trial, and that can be continually discussed here - the pros and cons - but please hear his personal story at the Oxford Union (before a large audience of many oponents and critics, who seemed to have far greater sympathy for him at the end) before you condemn him for what you may have read (second-hand news) in the media about him.

(search youtube for: "tommy robinson oxford union" )

ohnonotgmail

Taytoland wrote: »

It's the utter hypocrisy of it and the lack of outrage. You had communists attending rallies in London last year which Jeremy Corbyn attended and the same outrage isn't applied and yet the destructive nature of communism resulted in millions of people being murdered, millions thrown into gulags in the Soviet Union.

If you wear a Swastika shirt, people are rightly shocked and appalled, if you wear a shirt with the hammer and sickle, less so. It's either the lack of education or the completely hypocrisy.

were those people trying to use mob rule to free a man who plead guilty to a criminal offence?

Captain Obvious

Mutant z wrote: »

I see that so many of been ignoring the rape culture which goes on within a certain community but the main issue is Tommy Robinson apparently.

Read the thread title.

[Deleted User]

20Cent wrote: »

Stole it off Frankie Boyle.
It's a play on the English Defence League.
Now they are in jail they will form the anal defence league. Thought it was funny yeah.

Ok. I suppose if it wasn’t used in a thread where the discussion was of young girls actually being groomed and raped it would be more palatable.

20Cent

Omackeral wrote: »

It’s about the rape of minors too. “Anal Defence League” was the line you trotted out should any of Tommy’s supporters end up in jail like him. Still not think that’s a bit scummy? Is it funny or witty to think of rape as a consequence for supporting someone? Doubly dirty given what the subject matter is. You standing by that? Shameful.

Stole it off Frankie Boyle.
It's a play on the English Defence League.
Now they are in jail they will form the anal defence league. Thought it was funny yeah.

The_Kew_Tour

Is it OK today say both sides are shower of *****