The_Kew_Tour wrote: » The lads throwing Nazi salutes in Belfast yesterday are same lads who probably have Israel flag flying over their homes
super_furry wrote: » And the same morons who love to sing about the second world war.
JustAThought wrote: » I hear the Home Secretary -who has license to free or intervene -is either the brother or brother in law of the chief constable in the midlands -one of the areas wher so many of these rapes of children -CHILDREN RAPED - went on for YEARS.
FTA69 wrote: » His personal story is a fictitious load of nonsense. He was a member of two fascistic organisations previous to this and now hangs around with Generation Identity, actual white supremacists. He's a far rightist who has been backed by others on the far right and has gained himself a niche. Anyone buying into this "ordinary working class lad from Luton" shtick is a fool.
The_Kew_Tour wrote: » Ya I don't get it. Shows lack of knowledge. It be like Irish Republican signing in good the Sash
What's the best thing about living in Britain today? I hate Britain, and I want to move to Spain in the next couple of years, 'cause our country's not England any more. It's very rare for English people to live here any more. When I went to Lanzarote, I felt more English there than I do here, and that's no exaggeration.But won't you then be an immigrant too?Yeah, but the answer to that is I would go over to their country and respect their country. I wouldn't go over there and try and do suicidal bombs [sic]. The immigrants that come over to this country should be making this a good country and proud of it and helping this country, but most of them don't.What do you think symbolises Britain best?Well, I used to know Britain as strong, and over the past couple of years, I don't know if I've grown up, but I've seen it going soft. The memory I have is the war, and how we fighted [sic] all the people in WWI and WWII, and it makes me proud to be British.
Which do you dislike more, Muslims or black people? Muslims. I've never seen any advertisements about blacks who come here and don't work. It's more the Muslims, 'cause basically that's what I object to. My mum split up with my dad a couple of years ago, and she was going to get a flat off the council, and the first question they asked her on the form was "Are you an immigrant?" I don't agree with that, you see, so that's where it started from.So you agree with the BNP's send-em-back policies?Yeah.But would it be possible to maybe come to a compromise with a noble race like the Chinese? Perhaps keep them on as a sort of servant class?Yeah. I wouldn't mind them if they actually worked and didn't take all of our jobs, basically. I wouldn't mind them if they contributed something to this country.What nationality would you most like to keep on in the UK?African, because my nana's African. She was a white African from somewhere next to Cape Town. She moved back here in 1987 or something. My granddad was in the RAF over there and she came back with him.
Grayson wrote: » I googled a story about the BNP getting a black DJ by accident yesterday and found this https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/7bkm9y/babes-of-the-bnp Now it's just a couple of interviews. One certainly can't make a blanket statement about all of the EDL's membership based on this. However it's the same type of person that you're talking about. And another Link I said, you can't take two interviews and say everyone is like that. But jesus those two are stupid.
I wouldn't mind them if they actually worked and didn't take all of our jobs
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » You can be far right without being racist (that said, though, if what you say above is true, he could pick his friends a little bit more wisely)...
ohnonotgmail wrote: » I'm trying to figure that one out.
Grayson wrote: » Just as confusing as this oneWhat nationality would you most like to keep on in the UK?African, because my nana's African. She was a white African from somewhere next to Cape Town. She moved back here in 1987 or something. My granddad was in the RAF over there and she came back with him. nationality..... African.....because of white people.
FTA69 wrote: » You can but far-rightism and xenophobia tend to go hand in hand I'm sure we can all agree. Likewise, Robinson was a member of an avowedly racist organisation for long enough and today he is proudly supporting white supremacists in Generation Identity; his last stunt in Hyde Park was in support of one of their leaders, Martin Sellner. Generation Identity members are also in constant attendance at Robinson marches (along with members of all the usual fascist parties). The vast majority of people marching in London yesterday weren't politically-convinced racists; but there's no disguising the fact that the march did contain ideological racists and also a thuggish element who started pelting missiles at the cops. As usual though, I can't fathom how some Irish people are so determined to support the British far-right. It's silly to say the least.
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » Ah, I said racist, not xenophobic! Different things!
FTA69 wrote: » Sorry let rephrase. The far right has traditionally been associated with racism and xenophobia, is that ok? Robinson himself has been a member of a racist party and currently supports racist organisations. Hence it's not at all out of order to point out that Robinson is a dodgy bastard.
jooksavage wrote: » He was a racist before. A lot of the people he surrounds himself with are racist and he has declined to call out racist beahaviour. But he's not a racist, I think that should be pretty clear to everyone.
jmayo wrote: » This is a serious question for those who detest Tommy Robinson. Do you ever wonder why he is popular, and not just with knuckle dragger BNP types ? Or do you seriously just believe more and more people are now racist and would be nazis ? Do you ever wonder why the real far right, the nazis, the neo nazis are growing in popularity across Europe? Do you ever wonder why Le Pen has massive support in Calais area? For instance in the 11th constituency of the Pas-de-Calais, Le Pen won the national Assembly seat in 2017. She won 46% of the vote. That seat has been held since 1988 by Socialist Party and even Communist Party candidates. Not sure if that constituency existed prior to 1988? Now can anyone give me a reason why the National Front leader would be reversing a left wing seat so comprehensibly in the Calais area ? Or are you just going to give us the glib answer that they are all now racists, father. People are being pushed to the right and the right is benefiting from the fact in the likes of the UK, Corbyns Labour are shoving identity politics and ignoring the plight of what was once their support base. Yes a lot of right wingers, religious nutjobs, gun toting eejits, tea partists voted for Trump in the US. But he reversed Mid West, Northern states that voted overwhelmingly for Democrats down through the years and indeed helped Obama to victory twice. Of course the simple answer is that they are all would be racists, bigots, idiots who believe the myth about making America great again. But maybe if you stand back you might notice people, ordinary people, are getting pi**ed off and they eventually start turning to whoever they think is listening to them. And when people speak of nazis/neo nazis and strange bedfellows today, most of them probably haven't ever cottoned on to the fact the much vaunted ultra nazis, the SS, had an entire division of Bosnian muslims.
jmayo wrote: » These are serious questions for those who detest Tommy Robinson. Do you ever wonder why he is popular, and not just with knuckle dragger BNP types ? Or do you seriously just believe more and more people are now racist and would be nazis ? Do you ever wonder why the real far right (not just someone anti immigration as often labelled here), the nazis, the neo nazis are growing in popularity across Europe? Do you ever wonder why Le Pen has massive support in Calais area? For instance in the 11th constituency of the Pas-de-Calais, Le Pen won the national Assembly seat in 2017. She won 46% of the vote. That seat has been held since 1988 by Socialist Party and even Communist Party candidates. Not sure if that constituency existed prior to 1988? Now can anyone give me a reason why the National Front leader would be reversing a left wing seat so comprehensibly in the Calais area ? Or are you just going to give us the glib answer that they are all now racists, father. People are being pushed to the right and the right is benefiting from the fact in the likes of the UK, Corbyns Labour are shoving identity politics and ignoring the plight of what was once their support base. Yes a lot of right wingers, religious nutjobs, gun toting eejits, tea partists voted for Trump in the US. But he reversed Mid West, Northern states that voted overwhelmingly for Democrats down through the years and indeed helped Obama to victory twice. Of course the simple answer is that they are all would be racists, bigots, idiots who believe the myth about making America great again. But maybe if you stand back you might notice people, ordinary people, are getting pi**ed off and they eventually start turning to whoever they think is listening to them. And when people speak of nazis/neo nazis and strange bedfellows today, most of those nazis/neo nazis probably haven't ever cottoned on to the fact the much vaunted ultra nazis, the SS, had an entire division of Bosnian muslims.
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » I'm saying that the two - xenophia and racism - are different. You can be one without the other. And dodgy bastard is a third distinction.
Ulysses Gaze wrote: » Maybe, just maybe, this is exactly what he should be doing?
jooksavage wrote: » I dont know if the guys sieg heiling behind a Free Tommy Robinson banner lose that much sleep over that distinction TBH.
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: You can be far right without being racist (that said, though, if what you say above is true, he could pick his friends a little bit more wisely)...
FTA69 wrote: » I agree with nearly everything you say mate. The reality is that the broad left presided over an economic system that threw huge swathes of working class people on the srapheap - huge amounts of Front Nationale voters in France used to vote for the Communists at one stage. Where once we had decent jobs and working class areas had pride, now we have zero hours contracts and sh*t jobs in Asda. And the party of the workers in the UK for two decades told these people that that was a good thing and they should shut up and go and become a computer programmer or something. On top of that nobody in the mainstream or alternative media looks or sounds like people from these communities - they're mostly a load of smug graduates who talk down to people and haven't a f*cking clue what it's like in places like Grimsby or Grays. We also have a systematic destruction of social provisions that people relied on and now it takes a week to get a GP appointment and council housing is a thing of the past. The reality is that there is now a massive chasm between that sort of post-industrial working class and a perceived political and media elite they feel don't represent their interests. The ironic thing is that most of them agree with 90% of Labour's ideas around things like work, housing, health, education and transport but Labour has a massive amount of ground to make up - something which they may never do in fact. So no, I don't think those who like Robinson are politically-convinced racists; I think they're largely ordinary people who are p*ssed off.
FTA69 wrote: » However, Robinson and his ilk don't give a f*ck about these problems and are interested solely in boosting themselves. He's totally incapable of providing any solutions or any alternatives.
Captain Obvious wrote: » They play off fear an ignorance and manipulate information to spread lies. There's no mystery to their popularity.
jmayo wrote: » Lets see fear. I often hear one side claim that the fear is overhyped. But then again today we have France saying no major public gatherings to watch and celebrate their national team play a soccer match. Last year I visited Italy to be greeted with armed soldiers on guard outside museums, churches, tourist centres. It is the same in France. I remember being able to wander in to Croke Park with a backpack, now you are advised not to bring bags and you see bags being searched. We were told we would never see an islamist inspired terrorist attack in Ireland but one poor legal immigrant to our shores paid the ultimate price. What information has been manipulated and who is spreading the lies. We were told that all the migrants on boats arriving in Greece were Syrian refugees who had to be taken in. Then it turns out maybe about 60% were actually Syrian. Who lied about that, who was manipulating the information to suit an agenda? We have lone wolfe attacks by migrants/"refugees" throughout Europe. We have increase in sex crimes against women and even children by migrants/"refugees". We have had people and "minors" camped out in Calais, attacking people using the port and trying to get onto trucks and into UK. The reason I put minors in quotes is it has turned out a fair few of the ones claiming to be minors have subsequently been found to be overage. You will claim that it is propaganda, but they are facts that back up my points and your sides usual tactic of engaging in whataboutery and deflection just makes it look you are trying to hide something. You will tell us there are native rapists and child abuser aplenty in Europe. You will tell us there is more chance one dies in traffic accident than terrorist attack. Maybe if you just look at stats and take an actuarial view of it, it is grand out. But why do you want to increase the possibility of rape and death ?
jmayo wrote: » But like you, I hate the shyte trotted out by political parties, it now seems all over the western world, about how people should train up to be part of the so called new knowledge based economy. That is so irritating and speaking as someone qualified and working in that "knowledge economy" area, everyone is not suited to it and a lot of people do not have an often needed interest in technology. Telling someone who has worked as a fitter, welder or miner that they should retrain as an IT progammer or systems analyst is garbage. Yes a few might be brilliant at it, but a lot of people just are not suited. Then what is worse there are no longer any jobs in the geographical area, the kids have no future and the only option is welfare or move to where there are jobs. 100% Agreed. But the question is what does Robinson or UKIP or any of the other ones actually advocate on the above? They have no alternatives, no real vision and no policy of challenging the powerful and wealthy who have presided over and benefited from that system. UKIP wanted to privatise the NHS even more at one stage, Robinson is apparently a landlord doing very well for himself. But unlike you I will also mention the social cohesion that was once in these communities that is now gone. There are certain towns now in UK where there is huge immigrant population and it is an immigrant population that has not integrated with the native population unlike say the Irish immigrants of the past. And yes I am talking about muslims. There are social costs to migration. However it's also very easy to overblow these social costs and to take a general anger at the staus quo and direct it at people who are as worse off as you. There are totally legitimate concerns and criticisms that can be made on this issue; but Muslims aren't to blame for the fact there's no council housing or GP appointments or that social provisions are sh*t these days. That's as a result of a deliberate underfunding and active selling off of these public assets to people now making a bloody fortune as a result of it. Similarly things like grooming gangs etc aren't indicative of Muslims in general. Even worse we have had a litany of grooming gangs operating in communities with carte blanche freedom. When the likes of Labour should have been shouting about these gangs and demanding something was done about them, they were actually colluding in burying the evidence and refusing to speak out. True. The cops have gotten away with blue murder on this as well and heads should roll. And it wasn't because of "political correctness" either, it was because they didn't give a f*ck about working class girls they wrote off as a bunch of no-hopers and knackers. There is also a minority of Pakistani men with a horrific view of women and that should be discussed without people being branded racist maniacs. Then added to that you have the case where the children of immigrants are actually fighting against their own state and either carrying out terrorist atrocities at home or going off to fight their own army in other countries. There has been a long tradition of working class kids joining the military. How must it feel to the parents of a kid sent to Afghanistan/Iraq, not through his own choice, to see the kid of an immigrant down the road making videos of himself slaughtering prisoners, one of whom could be your son? Islamic fascism should be called out, as should fascism amongst migrant groups like the Poles and the Turks. We should have no truck with Salafism and should be speaking out against its rise. That having been said, we should also be discussing why working class Brits were sent off to Iraq and Afghanistan to die for f*cking nothing and why there's nothing else in these areas except the Army. Maybe, but at least he is talking about it and highlighting issues unlike a lot more who are playing the three monkeys game. He's also actively pushing people into the hands of jihadis and extremists and his latest actions nearly allowed a load of nonces to claim a mistrial so he could get some social media likes.
But like you, I hate the shyte trotted out by political parties, it now seems all over the western world, about how people should train up to be part of the so called new knowledge based economy. That is so irritating and speaking as someone qualified and working in that "knowledge economy" area, everyone is not suited to it and a lot of people do not have an often needed interest in technology. Telling someone who has worked as a fitter, welder or miner that they should retrain as an IT progammer or systems analyst is garbage. Yes a few might be brilliant at it, but a lot of people just are not suited. Then what is worse there are no longer any jobs in the geographical area, the kids have no future and the only option is welfare or move to where there are jobs.
But unlike you I will also mention the social cohesion that was once in these communities that is now gone. There are certain towns now in UK where there is huge immigrant population and it is an immigrant population that has not integrated with the native population unlike say the Irish immigrants of the past. And yes I am talking about muslims.
Even worse we have had a litany of grooming gangs operating in communities with carte blanche freedom. When the likes of Labour should have been shouting about these gangs and demanding something was done about them, they were actually colluding in burying the evidence and refusing to speak out.
Then added to that you have the case where the children of immigrants are actually fighting against their own state and either carrying out terrorist atrocities at home or going off to fight their own army in other countries. There has been a long tradition of working class kids joining the military. How must it feel to the parents of a kid sent to Afghanistan/Iraq, not through his own choice, to see the kid of an immigrant down the road making videos of himself slaughtering prisoners, one of whom could be your son?
Maybe, but at least he is talking about it and highlighting issues unlike a lot more who are playing the three monkeys game.
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