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Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

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New thread ladsðŸ˜ŠðŸ˜Š Any update on injuries for this weekends game?

Mod edit: Given how the last thread descended into chaos, we are going to leave that closed and start afresh

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cul beag

nlrkjos wrote: »

Injuries and "ghost goal"didn't help your season but these are things every team has to deal with...Cork should have an all Ireland from 2013...but for the ref adding on time! I don't really like McGrath's style of hurling, but maybe he's learned his lads can hurl as good as anyone after the Tipp game, his sweeper system is beatable,and not really needed.....he should get another year in charge, he's about the only one who can advance this team as he knows them all, and in fairness they seem to give him everything on the field. Hope they give us a good game next week, just to give Brick a good and proper send off.

Oh my god make it stop! Another year? Are you serious?(And breathe)

Squinters

I still think Derek is this team’s best chance of getting over the line. This year has been bleak enough but the combined effect of all the bad bits of luck done for us in the end. Once there’s buy-in and unity in the dressing room the talent and belief to win an All Ireland is there and I don’t really see a list of candidates that would obviously get much more out of the lads.

In any case, I’ve had a few great days and plenty of positive memories from the past few years, and when it’s all said and done I think people will look back fondly on where Derek and his team brought Waterford hurling.

We need to play our home games in Nowlan Park next year. Redeveloping Walsh Park is the wrong move but if it’s to be done, do it quickly.

namloc1980

Tramore84 wrote: »

Two teams that went out of Munster played 4 weeks in a row.

Waterford have only played 3 games so far

JeffKenna

Tramore84 wrote: »

Two teams that went out of Munster played 4 weeks in a row.

In fairness Waterford have only played 3 in a row yet

mickmackmcgoo

Tramore84 wrote:

Two teams that went out of Munster played 4 weeks in a row.

We only played 3 weeks though

Tramore84

Two teams that went out of Munster played 4 weeks in a row.

nlrkjos

Injuries and "ghost goal"didn't help your season but these are things every team has to deal with...Cork should have an all Ireland from 2013...but for the ref adding on time! I don't really like McGrath's style of hurling, but maybe he's learned his lads can hurl as good as anyone after the Tipp game, his sweeper system is beatable,and not really needed.....he should get another year in charge, he's about the only one who can advance this team as he knows them all, and in fairness they seem to give him everything on the field. Hope they give us a good game next week, just to give Brick a good and proper send off.

flatty

It would be very interesting to see how many outside managers have ever won an all Ireland. Vanishingly few. As a galway man, even when we were in the depths, I'd have hated to see a mercenary like daly given the job, absolutely hated it. Cody was plucked from relative obscurity. I'd be looking for an outsider, but from inside the county.
Waterford have been fantastic. I thought they'd beat Limerick, but Limerick are very very strong. The stars aligned against the Deise this year. I still think they were an uncharacteristic wide away from beating us in the final last year.

upthedeise16

Waterford were poor today but I thought limerick were outstanding. Their movement in the forwards never stopped, seemed to always have options with one player usually hugging the sideline as an option, they ran our defense al over the place and many of their puckouts were won uncontested as we couldn’t live with their movement, a sure sign of good coaching.
Also, had never seen O’Donavan at midfield properly and thought he was just a worker beside Lynch but he is a great hurler, very athletic and scored a great sideline, really thought they got the better of Barron and Roche/Moran and midfield have been a particular strength of ours the last few years.
Their full back line also looked very solid with Casey very aggressive, an old style full back and Finn and English tigerish in the corners, our inside forwards couldn’t get free all day.
Their forwards are well balanced with pace, size and accuracy with downing from frees (think he got 13) a huge advantage to have and their subs also looked lively.
Limerick have beaten Tipp and ourselves and drew with Cork with 14 men for the majority. I think they’ll win in Ennis next week and themselves and Cork will be a great Munster final and will probably tell us who Galway’s biggest challengers are.

As for ourselves, injuries and a shocking decision from an unpire had a huge impact on our year. I hate highlighting referees but if we had beaten Tipp last week, we would be facing Cork in a do or die battle next weekend despite today’s result. Things went against us and we didn’t get the rub of the green even today with Shane Fives injury and SOK making a mistake which are like hens teeth.
In McGraths defense, you take the first choice full back (Coughlan) sweeper/centre back (TDB) wing back (D Fives) and add Mahony and Gleeson for the trip to Ennis and Noel Connors at half time. Then Maurice and Moran the last day and Fives today as well as Shane and Kieran Bennett opting out. That’s a huge number of players from last year, any team would struggle missing that quantity, never mind quality.
McGrath gave his all, was very committed and while I didn’t agree with his style of play, he gave it an honest go and just fell short but his reign will be remembered positively I have no doubt.
As for Brick, although he hurled a lot of ball today, he struggled on Morrissey and to keep up with him. I hope he starts next week and gets the record for appearances. What service he has given to the county winning All-Stars in al 3 sectors of the field.
I hope these lads enjoy their summer now and the county board make an appointment early for the new manager to scout the county championship to try improve our panel and build on the panel Derek has built and maybe take us to the next level.

PTH2009

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Anyone here mentioning Sean Power would want to cop on. The man has never even managed at club level. He’d be way out of his depth.

Looking forward to seeing new fellas being given a chance next year like Séamus Keating and Conor Prunty. McGrath had too many pets who shouldn’t be close to the starting 15 like Dillon and Mcnulty.

Really would love to see Jimmy Barry or Liam Sheedy being appointed. Daly would be a step up but he’s very defensive and I’d rather not see a sweeper next year

But he did win minor and u21 AIs with most of the current senior crop and if u look at other counties who appointed former underage successful managers (Limerick, Tipp, Clare, Galway etc)

Maybe Sean as a selector and more experienced lads with him. Although Jason Ryan is football man he could be good as a fitness coach

Do we have the funds for outside big names who in fairness there's not many left or who would consider taking the job ?

mickmackmcgoo

Deise_2012 wrote:

Anyone here mentioning Sean Power would want to cop on. The man has never even managed at club level. Heâ€™d be way out of his depth.

Very true.
You will be hearing all the usual names for the next few months. Sean Power . Skully Ryan. Kevin Ryan. Dan. Hartley. None of those would get it id hope.
Liam Sheedy is prob a non runner . Daly the same . Hard to know who but hopefully someone from outside

Deise_2012

Anyone here mentioning Sean Power would want to cop on. The man has never even managed at club level. He’d be way out of his depth.

Looking forward to seeing new fellas being given a chance next year like Séamus Keating and Conor Prunty. McGrath had too many pets who shouldn’t be close to the starting 15 like Dillon and Mcnulty.

Really would love to see Jimmy Barry or Liam Sheedy being appointed. Daly would be a step up but he’s very defensive and I’d rather not see a sweeper next year

puzl

Oh yeah.... What about that sok point?

Moggy13

puzl wrote: »

Just sitting down after a long day. Traffic was a nightmare afterwards.

Heartbroken that the summer is over by June 10th. Hopefully we play for pride next weekend in Thurles.

If it turns out that we beat cork, then it will have been that dodgy umpiring that decided third place in Munster.

That was my first thought after that no-show today. The performance was so disappointing. Between Shane Fives going off and Stephen O'Keeffe's mistake there were clearly lads also on the pitch who were not match fit. Waterford supporters did not travel either and when we got a score there was barely a clap.

This whole campaign has had a certain air of inevitability about it..injuries, no home advantage and underperformance.

lim4ev

Lads was at match today won't say much as it was one of those days for ye McGrath has brought ye as far as he can he came close he's a gentleman but needs to move on. Genuinely believe a new voice could re invigorate ye for next yr. On a plus yer minors won comfortably even though ye scored 2-1 in last few minutes ye were the better team.

're those limerick apes in the terrace unfortunately they're in every county and definitely don't represent me. Pack of idiots with their soccer chants in my opinion

Motivator

PTH2009 wrote: »

and the Dungarvan music fest thing

I hope they set up a sub comitee with some of the current hurling squad involved to find a new management team which is sutabile, the players will respect and hopefully move us to the next level. One thing about Derek Mcgrath is that the players would die for him and theres huge respect there

make a list if suitable local candidates for the job and its a fairly depressing read. Denis Walsh former Cork manager has managed a few Waterford clubs and he could get the job cause the county board mite feel hes the right man with a proven record

In the hurling We have 1 round of the group stages left and then the QF playoffs, QFs, SFS and final. Were playing the Cork champs in the Munster Club QF on Sunday 28th Oct in Walsh Park and if they win then the Clare champs a week later

Good god not Denis Walsh.

PTH2009

chinguetti wrote: »

Right so, summer's over and so last year was above average. Derek didn't work the oracle but you can't fault him for effort.

If anyone in the County Board is reading this, ring Anthony Daly now or message him on Twitter. Best guy around but knowing the County Board and the mess they made years ago about making a county ground decision years ago, they won't.

and the Dungarvan music fest thing

I hope they set up a sub comitee with some of the current hurling squad involved to find a new management team which is sutabile, the players will respect and hopefully move us to the next level. One thing about Derek Mcgrath is that the players would die for him and theres huge respect there

make a list if suitable local candidates for the job and its a fairly depressing read. Denis Walsh former Cork manager has managed a few Waterford clubs and he could get the job cause the county board mite feel hes the right man with a proven record

Ropaire wrote: »

Plenty of time for club at least, we might even get the county champions into Munster in both codes this year.

In the hurling We have 1 round of the group stages left and then the QF playoffs, QFs, SFS and final. Were playing the Cork champs in the Munster Club QF on Sunday 28th Oct in Walsh Park and if they win then the Clare champs a week later

Ropaire

Plenty of time for club at least, we might even get the county champions into Munster in both codes this year.

chinguetti

Right so, summer's over and so last year was above average. Derek didn't work the oracle but you can't fault him for effort.

If anyone in the County Board is reading this, ring Anthony Daly now or message him on Twitter. Best guy around but knowing the County Board and the mess they made years ago about making a county ground decision years ago, they won't.

Jjjjjjjbarry

Every time one of our lads got the ball it seemed like there were four Limerick lads all over him straight away. Reminded me of KK in 2008

Deisegodeo

Absolutely desperate stuff from us today. Just weren't at the races at any stage. Even basics like picking a ball and striking was woeful, limerick seemed to have extra players all over the field. Maybe last week's fiasco at the same venue knocked the stuffing out of us, but that was a terrible performance today. Game was over after 20 minutes in reality.

Really, really disappointing day and season overall. Relegated in the league and knocked out of championship in early June. What more can be said

Jjjjjjjbarry

Just an awful day. Outworked and outplayed and outfought all over the field. Well done to Limerick who were absolutely brilliant today. They put some serious pressure on us and gave us no time on the ball. Having said that, we were just not at the races. Apart from Devine and Tommy Ryan there seemed to be no pace in their legs at all today. A very disappointing performance and hard to take anything from positive from it at all. We basically got cleaned out all over the field and none of our leaders were able to cope.

The minors were terrific though and played some lovely direct hurling at times. They seemed to do all the simple things well, playing the right passes at the right time and made it look easy and hit some great points from all ranges. Caolan MacCraith from Ring and Mikey Kiely from Abbeyside were brilliant I thought.

puzl

Just sitting down after a long day. Traffic was a nightmare afterwards.

Heartbroken that the summer is over by June 10th. Hopefully we play for pride next weekend in Thurles.

If it turns out that we beat cork, then it will have been that dodgy umpiring that decided third place in Munster.

Fred C Dobbs

Jaysus, that was very hard to watch today. Not at the races any stage. Some players couldn’t even hit the ball out of their way. Lost nearly all puck outs and 50/50 exchanges. At times, Conor Gleeson, Devine and Tommy Ryan were the only players to show any spark at all ; and Brick battled away to the bitter end. Aussie and Pauric clearly unfit. The only positive from today was the minors victory.

PTH2009

Derek after a shaky start in 2014 got us to a League title in 2015 and a final in 2016, 2 Munster finals, 3 All Ireland Semi finals, 1 All Ireland semi final replay, got us a championship victory over Kilkenny and got us to an All Ireland final in 2017. He made marquee names of some of the lads and gave the job 100%. Things sometimes dont work out we had good days and very bad days but sadly he never got us over the line but he gave us some days out and wish him all the best for his GAA future whatever he decides to do

Was looking at the AI minor championship structure just there. If we get to the munster final we will have another stab at getting to Croke Park. The 2 losing prov finalists go into a 3 team Round robin with Galway for the last 2 semi final spaces (top 2 in the group qualify for the semi finals with the Munster/Leinster champs).

Ropaire

Maurice looked injured when he came on, he wasn't moving too free. Shambles all around though, way off the pace Limerick set and it should have been worse. Shame, last weeks performace was great but his week we went back to the same muck we've been at for years

Encapsulated87

Feel sorry for McGrath I think he wanted the best for Waterford but it wasn't to be.

91wx763

Tramore84 wrote: »

Deisedozzer wrote: »

I really pray for the sake of the panel that we don't go for Queally or Hartley - while great Waterford men, they have both managed underage teams with very poor results and an extremely negative brand of hurling. I would prefer Seán Power over either but he has no senior experience and would be a huge risk. Personally would love to see Anthony Daly have a go, he made great progress with a Dublin panel that had nowhere near the level of underage success or talent as our current panel. I feel he could bring the likes of Patrick Curran, Stephen Bennett and Conor Gleeson to the next level, these guys need someone to instil some confidence and allow them to play the way we know they can.

No way Derek will go another year, he has given it everything and I think we need to move on.

In the words of Mark Landers - bring back Justin McCarthy.

Or in my words as a strawberry ye might have Davy....

carq

Shocking stuff today.
Hard to overstate how far ahead limerick, the space they had around the pitch was ridiculous, especially from their own puckouts, they must have won 80% clean possetion there.

Clueless tactics from waterford who just rather ed ball in on bunched forwards ( 2nd half all ireland final anyone?) . Limerick mopped up with ease and sprayed intellefent ball on the deck in front of their forwards.

The scoreline flattered us as limerick hit at least 5 bad wides and had 2 goal chances well saved.

BonnieSituation

Tramore84 wrote: »

I wasnt there today , didn't sound too good, gonna travel next wkd though, will always support my county when I can.

We need a home venue next year - the County Board need to get their finger out and plan for a home venue for next year, not the year after.

Or the Munster Council at least need to let ye play in Nowlan.