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The Reseeding/Stitching Discussion Thread.

Green farmer

Have a old pasture, never been reseeded. Really poor growth, even though good quality dry land. Did the soil rest and says I'm 1&2's for the p&k and ph 5-8. Was going to lime and reseed . What's that best way to tackle it ?

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ganmo

You’d be better off getting the slurry tanker

MickeyShtyles

MeTheMan wrote: »

Forgive my ignorance but, can you not fill a sprayer with water and make it rain yourself?

Wouldn’t amount to anything at all.
Average mounted sprayer is 100g. We went waterimg plants with an 800g tank and it took 3 fills to do five beds.

Say my name

MeTheMan wrote: »

Forgive my ignorance but, can you not fill a sprayer with water and make it rain yourself?

An inch of rain is 27,000 gallons/acre.
Current soil moisture deficit is 60mm (2.5 inches) in the east and southeast.

Mooooo

MeTheMan wrote: »

Forgive my ignorance but, can you not fill a sprayer with water and make it rain yourself?

Last thing you should do as even with tankers you'd be flat out to supply the same amount of water as rain and if you did it once and not enough after it the roots would come towards the surface and the germinated plant would die

MeTheMan

Say my name wrote: »

An inch of rain is 27,000 gallons/acre.
Current soil moisture deficit is 60mm (2.5 inches) in the east and southeast.

I am ignorant on this subject. So soil would need 2.5inchs of rain or 67500 gallons/ac to get rid of the moisture deficiency. To start germination? Or about 22 loads of a 3000 gallon slurry tanker an acre?

If them sums are correct, it's all making sense now.

Say my name

MeTheMan wrote: »

I am ignorant on this subject. So soil would need 2.5inchs of rain or 67500 gallons/ac to get rid of the moisture deficiency. To start germination? Or about 22 loads of a 3000 gallon slurry tanker an acre?

If them sums are correct, it's all making sense now.

Well 2.5 inches to reach saturation point.

Grass seed will start germinating if it has a bit of soil cover and is anyways damp at all.
The trouble is as was posted before is if it germinates and uses up that seeds energy and then the roots can find no moisture, it dies.
Maybe other slurry tankers are different but if you went out with mine with the downward plate after sowing you'd probably put the seed out to either side of the tanker. The council don't take to kindly if they saw you sticking a slurry tanker pipe into a river neither.
That's not to say it doesn't happen.

You'd want the irrigator type of set up that the spud men use if you were to be serious about it.

SomethingElse

Say my name wrote: »

An inch of rain is 27,000 gallons/acre.
Current soil moisture deficit is 60mm (2.5 inches) in the east and southeast.

So how many knapsacks would I need?
Do I need a cert?

Reggie.

SomethingElse wrote: »

So how many knapsacks would I need?
Do I need a cert?

You'll need a new spine afterwards

Say my name

SomethingElse wrote: »

So how many knapsacks would I need?
Do I need a cert?

It depends on the size of the knapsack.

Don't worry!
You'll be certified when you're finished.

ganmo

Say my name wrote: »

It depends on the size of the knapsack.

Don't worry!
You'll be certified when you're finished.

the word is sectioned

Say my name

ganmo wrote: »

the word is sectioned

When I hear that word I always wonder, into how many pieces?

K.G.

ground reseeded in west cork yester dayy that was sprayed off last july, couldnt be travelled since

Sami23

Say my name wrote: »

Sami23 wrote: »

Mine was burnt off and bare when I sowed it too and was just clay but spots now are like a carpet why weeds, presume it's chickweed. Small green weed with at least 4 leaves.
Even if it got rain now would the grass come through the weeds I wonder ?

If it's smothered with chickweed or whatever (sounds like chickweed) the grass won't get through.
Like all plants grass needs sunlight.
Have a rummage and see if there's any seedlings growing underneath.

Had a look for grass under the weeds but don't see any so not looking good.
What is the weed in these pictures, Chickweed ???
Pics in next post

Sami23

Say my name

It looks like 'Lambs ear' to me.

Sami23

Say my name wrote: »

It looks like 'Lambs ear' to me.

Do ya rekon there's any hope for grass if it gets rain ?

Say my name

Sami23 wrote: »

Do ya rekon there's any hope for grass if it gets rain ?

That's the million Euro question.

You have bits of grass coming in those bare patches.
But those thick patches you'll need to top it probably twice to mulch it up enough.
Or maybe spray to control it.
(I wouldn't be that well up on what sprays would do it or if it would damage the seedlings.)

What seeding rate per acre did you use?

You've grand dark soil there.

Edit: the more I think about it. Moisture doesn't look like it was completely your problem. The weeds don't look under any stress anyway. Are you sure you hadn't a frit fly problem after sowing?

Sami23

Say my name wrote: »

That's the million Euro question.

You have bits of grass coming in those bare patches.
But those thick patches you'll need to top it probably twice to mulch it up enough.
Or maybe spray to control it.
(I wouldn't be that well up on what sprays would do it or if it would damage the seedlings.)

What seeding rate per acre did you use?

You've grand dark soil there.

Edit: the more I think about it. Moisture doesn't look like it was completely your problem. The weeds don't look under any stress anyway. Are you sure you hadn't a frit fly problem after sowing?

Say about 15kgs per acre.
Not a clue about frit fly. What happens there ?

Say my name

Sami23 wrote: »

Say about 15kgs per acre.
Not a clue about frit fly. What happens there ?

The frit fly eats the seed before or as it germinates. Then no seedling.

I'd get the topper out now and and top those areas. It won't do any harm at this stage plus the tractor wheels might push any remaining ungerminated seed into the ground. I'd do it now before these rain showers start and the weeds really take off.
You've nothing to lose at this stage.

Sami23

Say my name wrote: »

Sami23 wrote: »

Say about 15kgs per acre.
Not a clue about frit fly. What happens there ?

The frit fly eats the seed before or as it germinates. Then no seedling.

I'd get the topper out now and and top those areas. It won't do any harm at this stage plus the tractor wheels might push any remaining ungerminated seed into the ground. I'd do it now before these rain showers start and the weeds really take off.
You've nothing to lose at this stage.

Problem is their too low for topper to get them

Reggie.

Blank canvas for today

visatorro

Reggie. wrote:

Blank canvas for today

It's well broken down for you

Reggie.

visatorro wrote: »

It's well broken down for you

Yeah it's the BILs field. Converted from WBC. Took some work to get it to that

satstheway

Sowed out 7th may alot coming nicely but alot of this weed. Picture is only of the very worst bit that has gone to flower. What do u spray to kill this in a new lay

satstheway

Sowed out 7th may alot coming nicely but alot of this weed. Picture is only of the very worst bit that has gone to flower. What do u spray to kill this in a new lay

Say my name

satstheway wrote: »

Sowed out 7th may alot coming nicely but alot of this weed. Picture is only of the very worst bit that has gone to flower. What do u spray to kill this in a new lay

Was there oilseed rape in the field last year?

It's a volunteer rape of some sort anyways.

Other posters may know more about spraying or grazing etc.

raypallas

Got a good heavy shower of rain last night on 7 acres that was really starting to struggle. It was sat over 3wks ago. Just in time I'd say.

satstheway

Say my name wrote: »

Was there oilseed rape in the field last year?

It's a volunteer rape of some sort anyways.

Other posters may know more about spraying or grazing etc.

Field has lay unused for 7 years. mulched & Sprayed weeds last year and took silage bales off. Burned Ploughed and sowed this year.
It was full of weeds for years.

satstheway

Better picture

MF290

satstheway wrote: »

Better picture

charlock or praiseach as it's known here I pressume?
it's a brassica like fodder rape or kale so would be poisonous to cattle only if consumed in large amounts though I pressume.
It's an annual weed so a run of the topper would sort it out.
They wouldn't leave much behind them if it was grazed though.