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Kermit.de.frog

What are the biggest differences between Dublin people and Wicklow people and how can we spur dialogue between the two sides?

It's just that the mountains there would be handy to build over (sure it's a bit high and it snows in the winter but the views would be amazing), lots of open space for us Dubs and we can't keep taking from Kildare.

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Annasopra

Stephen15 wrote: »

I know a guy who plays GAA for Bray Emmets and had to play a Wicklow Championship match against Blessington. The journey was nearly all through Dublin and not Wicklow. Surely Bray should be part of Dublin and Wicklow considering most people living in Bray consider themselves Dubs.

Yeah but no but yeah but no but yeah but no

I see your point. Its difficult to extrapolate this though.

decky1

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Never see Wicklow in GAA matches.

It's like they don't exist.

the only way the'll see Croke Park is if they go to a concert there.:eek:::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Stephen15

I know a guy who plays GAA for Bray Emmets and had to play a Wicklow Championship match against Blessington. The journey was nearly all through Dublin and not Wicklow. Surely Bray should be part of Dublin and Wicklow considering most people living in Bray consider themselves Dubs.

OldMrBrennan83

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Annasopra

JupiterKid wrote: »

I agree that Wicklow doesn’t work cohesively as a single county unit but then, most of our counties are outdated concepts and only exist for admin and GAA rivalry purposes. A set of larger more defined regions based on the functional areas/hinterlands of our cities would make much more sense. But then, we don’t do much common sense in this country...

The mountains (which Dublin is very lucky to have as a scenic resource) divide Wicklow into two - East Wicklow and West Wicklow and they are very different in their local cultural affinities. Baltinglass seems very far removed from Wicklow town. Then the county also has a North-South divide with Bray and Greystones being effectively Dublin suburbs (the latter posh, the former having a more “coarse” reputation), lots of money - much if not most of it “new” money and the Avoca cafe/shop culture where the latter gravitate to. Very expensive real estate.

Then there’s Arklow which seems closer to North Wexford than Bray. And the region south of the mountain block - Shillelagh, Tinahely and Carnew - that seem very remote and very distinct in their own right.

Thats what I just said

Annasopra

feargale wrote: »

North Wicklow: Northern intonation, Dublin pronunciation.

South Wicklow: Northern intonation, Wexford pronunciation.

Ya wha

JupiterKid

I agree that Wicklow doesn’t work cohesively as a single county unit but then, most of our counties are outdated concepts and only exist for admin and GAA rivalry purposes. A set of larger more defined regions based on the functional areas/hinterlands of our cities would make much more sense. But then, we don’t do much common sense in this country...

The mountains (which Dublin is very lucky to have as a scenic resource) divide Wicklow into two - East Wicklow and West Wicklow and they are very different in their local cultural affinities. Baltinglass seems very far removed from Wicklow town. Then the county also has a North-South divide with Bray and Greystones being effectively Dublin suburbs (the latter posh, the former having a more “coarse” reputation), lots of money - much if not most of it “new” money and the Avoca cafe/shop culture where the latter gravitate to. Very expensive real estate.

Then there’s Arklow which seems closer to North Wexford than Bray. And the region south of the mountain block - Shillelagh, Tinahely and Carnew - that seem very remote and very distinct in their own right.

Kermit.de.frog

Never see Wicklow in GAA matches.

It's like they don't exist.

nowaynever

mariaalice wrote: »

There are two Wicklows the locals and the newcomer's something like 40% of the population of Wicklow were not born in Wicklow. A not insignificant amount of this is the desire to live an urban lifestyle in a rural area.

As it gets easier to commute from places like Aughrim this lifestyle will spread further and further out.

I’d say it’s more than 40%. Dublin’s Holles street would surely account for that alone:)

feargale

Zero Point wrote: »

No idea but I've always thought that the east Wicklow accent is some strange variant of the Donegal accent. Perhaps there is a link there somewhere.

North Wicklow: Northern intonation, Dublin pronunciation.

South Wicklow: Northern intonation, Wexford pronunciation.

Esel

"Is it me hoard of gold you're looking for, Sur?"

mynamejeff

The money would be better spent walling in the dubs and stem the tide of inhumanity flowing like and invading mongol hoard into the garden county and beyond.

Ush1

I'd always associate the likes of Delgany and Greystones with prods and old money.

Not so much Blessington and Arklow.

[Deleted User]

There are two Wicklows the locals and the newcomer's something like 40% of the population of Wicklow were not born in Wicklow. A not insignificant amount of this is the desire to live an urban lifestyle in a rural area.

As it gets easier to commute from places like Aughrim this lifestyle will spread further and further out.

Kermit.de.frog

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Bray/Greystones/Blessington associate more with Dublin
Blessington/Baltinglass associate more with Kildare

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con___manx1

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Dublin mountains.

Wicklow hills.

:cool:

the highest peak in leinster is lugnaquilla in wicklow. higher than any of the dublin hills

DickSwiveller

I played a football match years ago in a place called Donard, Co.Wicklow, and it was honestly like something out of a horror movie.

Donald Trump

The Crowman wrote: »

I mainly associate Wicklow with Larry Murphy and Glenroe.

That would have been a good episode in fairness. An oul' cameo appearance of Larry rolling in the hay with Biddy

Edit Just noticed Demonic Skull said more or less the same thing at bottom of first page

nowaynever

Speedsie wrote: »

Sorry, I phrased that badly. Wicklow was the final county to be defined, this happened in 1606.

Arklow used to be in County Carlow. Yes that’s right, Carlow had a coastline!

Speedsie

Conservatory wrote: »

Were there many formed in 1607?

Sorry, I phrased that badly. Wicklow was the final county to be defined, this happened in 1606.

Hector Bellend

TallGlass wrote: »

Is Wicka not part of the big D now?

Schmokey D

Vita nova

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Wicklow as a concept for a county does not work.

Bray/Greystones/Blessington associate more with Dublin
Blessington/Baltinglass associate more with Kildare
Arklow associates more with Wexford
Shilelagh/Tinahely/Carnew associate more with Carlow

The Irish county structure was started after the Norman invasion and further refined by Henry VIII and other British monarchs. I don't know how much input they took from the locals at the time, probably only what suited them. We probably missed an opportunity to create larger, more viable and cohesive regions at the formation of the state but lazily adopted the current structure. I think some of the more sparsely populated and peripheral counties could benefit from voluntarily merging.

Conservatory

Speedsie wrote: »

Wicklow was the last county to be 'formed', in 1606, and it is a little odd alright. Perhaps it should have been assigned to neighbouring counties in the manner you have described.

Certainly there are major differences between East and West Wicklow.

Were there many formed in 1607?

Speedsie

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Wicklow as a concept for a county does not work.

Bray/Greystones/Blessington associate more with Dublin
Blessington/Baltinglass associate more with Kildare
Arklow associates more with Wexford
Shilelagh/Tinahely/Carnew associate more with Carlow

Wicklow was the last county to be 'formed', in 1606, and it is a little odd alright. Perhaps it should have been assigned to neighbouring counties in the manner you have described.

Certainly there are major differences between East and West Wicklow.

Annasopra

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What are the biggest differences between Dublin people and Wicklow people and how can we spur dialogue between the two sides?

It's just that the mountains there would be handy to build over (sure it's a bit high and it snows in the winter but the views would be amazing), lots of open space for us Dubs and we can't keep taking from Kildare.

Sure the Wicklow way starts in Dublin. And Dublin owns a lot of the reservoirs in Wicklow.

Annasopra

Wicklow as a concept for a county does not work.

Bray/Greystones/Blessington associate more with Dublin
Blessington/Baltinglass associate more with Kildare
Arklow associates more with Wexford
Shilelagh/Tinahely/Carnew associate more with Carlow

Kermit.de.frog

listermint wrote: »

Not sure if you aware but the mountains .. hills I should say that you are looking at are in Dublin county op. The Wicklow parts are over them out of view. So you'd be building in Dublin.

Dublin mountains.

Wicklow hills.

:cool:

listermint

Not sure if you aware but the mountains .. hills I should say that you are looking at are in Dublin county op. The Wicklow parts are over them out of view. So you'd be building in Dublin.

suicide_circus

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Yeah that was a dark crossover episode

Well holy cable ties!

TheValeyard

The Crowman wrote: »

I mainly associate Wicklow with Larry Murphy and Glenroe.

Yeah that was a dark crossover episode