weldoninhio wrote: » How did old people survive 50 years ago?? Drive or die ffs.
weldoninhio wrote: You're fudging the question because you can't answer it. You want people that are unfit to drive to be allowed to drive because its, according to you, "drive or die".
weldoninhio wrote: I'm asking what about 50 years ago when there were very few cars. You have refused to answer that.
Wanderer78 wrote: » Again, are our public transport systems adequate enough to deal with people's needs?
Wanderer78 wrote: » Completely agree, it can be a case of, drive or die
weldoninhio wrote: » Again, were they 50 years ago? I don't drive I get the bus everywhere. I get 4 buses a day Mon-Fri. I've never had any issues and I see plenty of elderly and infirm people using the bus every day.
weisses wrote: » You dont live rural so ? I agree with the fact you need to be fit to drive,... but in a rural area elderly people do not have much choice other then a car. There are no footpaths ... no bus, nearest shop is about an hours walk away, roads are NOT safe for pedestrians ...etc etc Its not black and white ...
weldoninhio wrote: » I'll ask again, I might get an answer this time. Wanderer was unable to. How did elderly in rural areas survive years ago when they didn't have cars??
Wanderer78 wrote: » again, this was in fact somewhat answered previously, our social structures were almost completely different 50 years ago, they simply cannot be compared
Graces7 wrote: » I explained clearly that families were less scattered and few old folk were left to cope alone as we are now. The family unit was more responsible and also neighbours would be locals not newcomers. For more real community than now And they were more caring and responsible for old folk than society is now, especially in rural areas.
Samuel T. Cogley wrote: » While I realise people have a particular aversion to sexually based crimes, the one that really strikes me is the pitiful sentences handed out for death/serious injury by dangerous driving. Obviously you never know until you're (God Forbid) in the actual situation but I feel quite strongly that if someone I loved was killed or seriously injured by someone and handed a ridiculously short sentence I'd be waiting for them in the long grass. I suppose two wrongs don't make a right but I don't think I'd be able to help myself. Has this ever happened that we know of? Anyone else feel the same? Am I just as bas as the scumbags? Thoughts, comments etc.
weldoninhio wrote: » So hearsay and waffle. OK. Ireland must have been like one big episode of The Waltons fifty years ago. :rolleyes:
weldoninhio wrote: » Again, how did they do it rurally 50 years ago? There are more shopping options now than ever in the history of the state. What public transport systems were there in rural locations 50 years ago? Could elderly people simply walk to be in the company of others 50 years ago? Whats happened over the past 50 years thats impacted on their walking ability??
valoren wrote: » By that logic shouldn't you be waiting for the judge instead? Accidents happen. Vigilante justice for accidents is not justice.
Graces7 wrote: » weldoninhio wrote: » I’ve done it before. Got assaulted, went to the police who were 100% useless. Waited a few weeks and beat the guy to a bloody pulp. Justice served. As an aside, when I reported it to the Gardai I gave them the name and address of the guy who sucker head butted me, name and number of the manager in the nightclub who had the assault on dvd from the CCTV, names and numbers of bouncers who’d seen it happen and the names of about 5 witnesses who’d left their names numbers with the bouncer. He told me he’d look into it and get back to me. That was about 10+ years ago, still waiting to hear back. Fighting crime with crime is appalling; and not even on the spur of the moment but planned and calculated .. That is not justice.
weldoninhio wrote: » I’ve done it before. Got assaulted, went to the police who were 100% useless. Waited a few weeks and beat the guy to a bloody pulp. Justice served. As an aside, when I reported it to the Gardai I gave them the name and address of the guy who sucker head butted me, name and number of the manager in the nightclub who had the assault on dvd from the CCTV, names and numbers of bouncers who’d seen it happen and the names of about 5 witnesses who’d left their names numbers with the bouncer. He told me he’d look into it and get back to me. That was about 10+ years ago, still waiting to hear back.
Gravelly wrote: » On the point lots of you are arguing about regarding how old people got around 50 years ago before cars were widespread - many travelled by horse and trap, a much safer method, as horses pretty much made their own way home. Even in my childhood 35-40 years ago, there were a few elderly people who still used a horse and trap to go shopping or to mass, and a fair number of farmers who used them for travelling to the creamery - some of those horses knew exactly where to go on any given day, they were the precursor to self-driving cars!
AtomicHorror wrote: » Hearsay maybe, but I thought it was common knowledge and generally agreed by most that there are many emerging problems with the rural population and communities. The rural population is aging in demographic, dropping in numbers, and thinning out into ribbon developments rather than hubs. Rural services such as loss-making bus lines, Garda stations and post offices are closing. Local shops are closing as they struggle against large chains and shopping centres. It all adds up to a lot of isolated people who rely on cars to live. None of that is controversial as far as I know, but you seem determined to scoff and roll your eyes at anyone who alludes to it. What's your beef?
Sleepy wrote: » Being old and/or living in a rural area is no excuse for driving when you're incapable of doing so safely. If you're too old to drive, or otherwise incapable of driving safely and can't find (or afford to pay) someone to drive you, you should be looking at moving to an area where there is sufficient public transport to meet your needs or perhaps at some of the assisted living developments around the country. The lengths some people expect society to go to in order to sate their desire to live exactly where and how they want to live is mind-boggling.
Raging_Ninja wrote: » If people are not given justice by the police and courts, it is inevitable that they will take it for themselves. And who can blame them?
AudreyHepburn wrote: » I’m not and never was a fan of vigilante justice because it’s a concept too easy to abuse and innocent people are in danger of getting caught up in it. We’d be much served by compelling the government to overhaul the justice system so that crime is adequately punished.
Graces7 wrote: » They are becoming criminals. Period. As bad as the one who hurt them, or worse, because they are setting themselves up as judge and jury. Lawless.
weldoninhio wrote: » As I stated, I'd given the Garda the assailants name and address, the contact details for the manager who had the assault on CCTV, the contact details for 2 bouncers who had witnessed it in person, as well as the contact details of 5 or more people who had seen it. He refused to do anything, what should I have done??
