feargale wrote: » Catalan, yes. I don't know where you get Dutch, unless you are thinking outside the European box. It was banned in Japanese-occupied Indonesia during WWII. And Cape Dutch, later called Afrikaans, was discouraged in South Africa until the Afrikaners took political control. The only banning I'm aware of in Iceland relates to first names. You can call your child Olav or Halldor, but not Sěamus or Archibald.
JohnKyle39 wrote: » IRA needs to come back
JohnKyle39 wrote: » We can't revive our own language, and choose to speak the language of a nation that caused us 700 years of oppression Why?
feargale wrote: » Oops! Did I speak too soon?
JohnKyle39 wrote: » You can't with only one person speaking it genius.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » The only thing that comes to mind is when part of what is now the Netherlands was a spanish colony but i dont remember them banning the language
ohnonotgmail wrote: » while that is true those other languages didnt have to come up with them all practically overnight.
Wibbs wrote: » Pretty simple JK. People coming in their droves to settle the place came from all over Europe and beyond and came with the languages of the places they came from. Israel as a new state needed a lingua franca, a common language. Before the formal establishment of the Jewish state previous settlers had mused on what languages they might choose. Naturally Hebrew, a modern version of the old language was one, English was another and even German, yep, was considered for a time as it was the language of engineering and the sciences for quite a while. In the end they settled on Modern Hebrew for all sorts of good reasons and it was expedient for the settlers and the locals to get on board with it as a newly minted living language, so all could converse with each other. Thats why it worked. Ireland was and remains a different set of circumstances. If we forego the rhetoric of oppression for the moment, in the end of the day we had a lingua franca, one that had been growing from the 17th century onwards. The language of education, politics and especially commerce. And that was English. Now we can go back and forth on the hows and whys of that, but that became and remains the reality on the ground. A reality that even someone like Daniel O'Connell recognised and promoted. A newly arrived immigrant into Israel in the 1950's needed to know Hebrew, an Irish person from the mid 1800's onwards needed to know English. It comes down to a practical need. And that practical need remains today. Even with all the promotion of the Irish language since the foundation of the Irish state the practical need wasn't there for the vast majority of Irish people. Consider this: the Civil Service required the language to be spoken in daily dealings up until the 1960's. They removed that requirement and overnight civil servants went over to English in their daily dealings. And these were people who were already fluent. If the will to continue wasn't present there, then what hope for the wider culture? We even see this in the Irish diaspora. Nearly all other cultures kept some semblance of their native languages when they settled in the New World. Except for the Irish. Consider America. A large chunk of the Irish emigres in the 19th century were native Irish speakers(as they were mostly from the poorer end of Ireland), yet they dropped the language not far from stepping off the steamers at Ellis Island. Dutch Americans make up a tiny proportion of the American demographic, yet more can speak Dutch than the tens of millions of Americans that claim Irish ancestry can speak Irish. That says much on a few levels.
Donald Trump wrote: » Conas ata tu anois, amadan mor?
Larbre34 wrote: » Without fadas, that is as much nonsense as yer man is talking. Ramming any topic down a kids throat with an antiquated curriculum, for far too many school hours, in a manner that makes them resent rather than embrace it, will never yield good results. The only way Gaeilge will be fostered is to remove it from formal education and link it to other cultural activities such as sport, music and the Arts. Using the Jewish language in the original post wasnt a suitable example, as they revived Hebrew for common usage because those that flocked to the new Israel spoke 20 different largely European languages in the first place, so Hebrew was as practical as it was cultural. The Irish situation is basically the opposite. But as you mention it, I have half-Jewish nieces and nephews in California, that are being raised in that faith. They learn English and Spanish at school and then learn Hebrew along with with Jewish culture and customs through music and games at their Temple 'sunday school'. This has given them a grá (see what I did there) for their heritage and its language as one. A lesson for our educators I suggest.
Donald Trump wrote: I reckon that the Dutch thing might be benefiting from it's similarities to Nazi, sorry, Deutsch
Ursus Horribilis wrote: » Is this Godwin's Law as gaeilge?
Donald Trump wrote: » (I don't think you can be "half Jewish". You're either Jewish or you're not. It's like saying someone is "half-Protestant"
Filmer Paradise wrote: » Just giving you a reality check on the situation as it stands.
Filmer Paradise wrote: » Never before in the field of endaevour has so much money been spent on so few to the detrement of so many Taxpayers.
Filmer Paradise wrote: » No point. Aside from a few fanatical Language Hawks, Irish language teachers/translators & people in rapidly dwindling Gaelteacht areas with the begging bowl out for grants........
Larbre34 wrote: » You can, its a thing. My sister in law describes her kids as that because she considers herself jewish first, American second. They are being raised in the faith so they talk of their heritage being jewish, american and irish, no mention of their Dad's non-practised anglican faith.
bodice ripper wrote: » Equally close to English.
JohnKyle39 wrote: » There is no excuse. Dutch, Icelandic, Catalan and countless other languages were banned and their countries brought them back and revived them. We're lazy and cowards. It's pathetic how a country that was invaded for 800 years, it's people starved, abused and culturally raped just gives in so easy and abandons it's language even after we become independent. I could understand if we were still under British rule but we're not. There is no excuse. The other European countries and EU members don't speak English and are getting on fine.
greencap wrote: » think about radio, how often have you been sat in the car and suddenly you realise you're listening to absolute gibberish about the latest washing powder or 3rd tier golf tournament ..... that could be done with some vocabulary or everyday phrases on a dedicated teaching channel. a small lesson, as you're sat there in traffic thinking about nothing, will stick in peoples minds just as much as any of the regular inane piffle. they'll retain some of it. thats a start, thats progress.
PopePalpatine wrote: » You mean Godwin's Lá, surely?
Wibbs wrote: » Hardly. If someone's father is one religion and their mother another then they are "half" whatever. If someone's father is one culture/origin and their mother another then they are "half" whatever. Of course they can choose to identify with one or t'other.
