Shurimgreat wrote: » I am not here for attention. So get that idea out of your head. This is a free country and a website where free speech is allowed. I make no apologies to you for saying what I want to say. So get used to it.
Graces7 wrote: » It is not, ever OK to abort a healthy foetus ( and all are innocent so stop with the emotionally overloaded terminology please). But at some point the suffering of the victim of rape becomes paramount, something that you of all people claim to understand? With huge reluctance.
Graces7 wrote: » Odd that you pick on that as you did on that we who abbhor abortion have no compassion, or maybe not... You won nothing and seemingly know that.
Graces7 wrote: » Sooner this thread dies the better. It is feeding wrong. Goodnight! Try to ..
Shurimgreat wrote: » Excuse me? We were told we need the 12 week provision by Yes siders to deal with rape cases.
I should clarify, abortion should be an option to raped women who want an abortion rather than forced on them. You knew that already though.
Don't see why this post was thanked by so many Yes siders by the way! Seems they are thanking a post that goes against their own views. Guess they will thank anything that's different to my view, even when it also differs to their own! Sad really.
eviltwin wrote: » According to one of her posts Jesus came to her in a vision and told her the referendum was rigged. She's really not all there and I think she should be left alone.
Fighting Tao wrote: » Not true. Many have come a cropper with that belief. The dispute resolution and prison forums are testament. Sometimes quite entertaining to read too The free country....it is getting freer with thanks to the referendum last week :pac:
Shurimgreat wrote: » Read again what I said. I am in favour of giving rape victims the OPTION of having an abortion. I am against the easy availability of abortion in this country for non hard case scenarios. Sorry if I sound repetitive, no doubt someone will be along in a while to say that. But I am only answering the point you made.
bubblypop wrote: » I'm genuinely interested in why people who are anti abortion will accept that it is OK in cases of rape? I just wonder how they sort that out in their head? Like, you, for example, how is it OK to abort an innocent healthy fetus which was conceived in rape, if you don't believe in aborting innocent healthy fetuses?
Shurimgreat wrote: » I don't think I could put it any better than Grace did to be fair. Only the most hardened of people would oppose giving rape victims the option of abortion if they wanted it. I'm trying to think of a better way of putting it. Maybe another way I can put it is that rape involves non consent. Every other pregnancy involves consent. So the rape victim did not consent to be raped and did not consent to being pregnant or the possibility of becoming pregnant. The lack of consent is crucial. This is why in my view and many others, rape victims should be entitled to abortion if they choose.
Crea wrote: » How does one give a rape victim the option of having an abortion? How do we prove the person was raped? Please note that rape is one of the most under reported crimes in this country.
FingerDeKat wrote: » Have to admit I'm really enjoying watching the misogynists and zombie worshippers crying(crocodile tears). Its a beautiful sight to behold!! Never thought people could get so upset over losing control over other peoples bodies that they have never met or interacted with.Guess some just don't like minding their own fukking business.
dudara wrote: » It is a fundamentally inconsistent position though. In the case of rape, you are allowing for the possibility of abortion, even though the foetus is healthy and normal. Women have sex all the time without planning to get pregnant, often taking precautions to prevent it. Yet they get pregnant. That is also a case where they did not consent to getting pregnant. I can understand being against abortion in all circumstances. But once you open that Pandora’s box in your thought experiments, and start to allow shades of gray, there is only one logical conclusion. Abortion is allowable in all circumstances. It’s not a very pleasant conclusion granted.
Shurimgreat wrote: » Ah the misogynist card. Was wondering when it would be played. It was attempted before and refuted. Oddly enough many No siders stand up for female rights more than many Yes siders. Female foeticide is a significant problem in countries like India for example.http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/abortion/medical/selective_1.shtml While its unlikely to happen in , its still a major negative side to abortion in some countries. Guess however I will be accused of being a zombie worshipper with crocodile tears for talking about female foeticide. Some Yes siders really do let themselves and their cause down with language like that.
Shurimgreat wrote: » Not inconsistent at all. I and most other No siders have been consistent all along. They oppose freely available abortion in this country in all but the most extenuating of circumstances. Extenuating includes lack of consent in the pregnancy, FFA, serious risk to mothers life, and extreme mental distress. Healthy fetuses are a possibility when it comes to extreme mental distress, rape and often with a serious risk to the mothers life. So yes, consistent re extenuating cases. (That's probably my last post for the evening btw).
end of the road wrote: » for people to be able to be upset over losing control of other people's bodies, they would have had to have control of them in the first place.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » The state did. Do you understand the concept of a proxy?
end of the road wrote: » okay, lets say they did have control of them because they didn't allow for abortion on demand, then it's surely no more control then they have via the rest of the laws.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » what other level of control is comparable with forcing a woman to remain pregnant against her will?
end of the road wrote: » the laws that prevent anyone from ending a life.
Shurimgreat wrote: » Oddly enough many No siders stand up for female rights more than many Yes siders.
Shurimgreat wrote: » Were you married in a church? Are your kids babtised? Did they make their communion? Are they confirmed? Do you regularly attend church occasions such as for taking these sacraments? Or do you stay true to your church hating principles and stay well clear of the church?
Fighting Tao wrote: » You can take your own life if you wish. It is not illegal.
FingerDeKat wrote: » yeah right...imposing your fukked up beliefs on women is not standing up for them , it's trampling them.
end of the road wrote: » correct. i can't take someone else's life though. completely agree. however no voters were not imposing ****ed up beliefs on women from what i can see.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » hmmm, you deleted your reply to me pretty quickly. Did you realise how rubbish it was?
