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Tommy Robinson jailed

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Apparently according to Lauren Southern, Tommy has been sentenced to 13 months but there is a UK wide embargo on reporting.

Anyone else got any info?

Edit. Not too sure about the authenticity of the embargo. I'm assuming that it's for this https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/tommy-robinson-arrested-leeds-court-child-grooming-trial-edl-founder-latest-a8368821.html?amp

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weisses

thebull85 wrote: »

Yes i did mean to reply to my own post, im not all that familiar with posting videos on here so i done it as best as i could. That ok with you boss?

When you want to post A youtube video you can use the bolded part of the link below and copy paste that between the youtube brackets its always the part after v=

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyQb3DhNKQA

Hope that helps

Sand

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Labour would likely just go into a coalition with the Lib Dems.
The Lib Dems have rebounded and will continue to increase their voter share.

Really, the pro-EU/anti-Brexit Lib Dems and the anti-EU/pro-Brexit Labour are going to form a coherent government? You're grasping at straws there I am afraid.

Both parties are helped by the fact that Theresa May is the most disastrous Post-War Prime Minister.

Yes, she is. She is utterly terrible. And she still won that election, including the C2DE class which Labour *should* dominate. That is how hopeless the Labour position is. They have abandoned their core voters, and their core voters know it. By the time of the next election, its likely the Tory "Game of Thrones" will have seen May deposed and someone vaguely competent - or at least new - in charge instead.

I don't like Labour and their approach to both the issues of Grooming Gangs and Anti-Semitism casts a large shadow over the party.

But there are a hell of a lot of people in the North of England who will vote for them even if it is against their better judgement.

Yes a minority, a close minority but still a minority. If Labour really want to capture the C2DE voting group then they need to start listening to them, not mocking them for being inarticulate.

Honestly, its incomprehensible people are posting muslim rape gangs/muslamic ray guns jokes in 2018. It might have been have way excusable in the past, but its incredible post Rotheram, Telford, Derby, etc, etc. Girls were branded. Tortured. Some were burned to death in their homes when they tried to escape.

And people still see it as an occasion for a giggle?

[Deleted User]

I referenced the Muslamic Ray Gun fella, not as a joke but as a bloody scary look at how deep in the sand heads can be just based off how someone looks, dressed or speaks. There's an irony in that.

thebull85

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Don't take this as implicit defense of infowars, but you're talking about sources, your's calls the march 'neo-nazi' themed, I click the link, daily mail video, no sign of neo nazi symbols or sentiments, black guy singing Tommy Tommy Robinson in the crowd.

Ive had a look back at that link ohnonotgmail provided a couple days ago, cant see anything about a neo nazi themed march now. Thats strange.

dude_abided

Sand wrote: »

Honestly, its incomprehensible people are posting muslim rape gangs/muslamic ray guns jokes in 2018. It might have been have way excusable in the past, but its incredible post Rotheram, Telford, Derby, etc, etc. Girls were branded. Tortured. Some were burned to death in their homes when they tried to escape.

And people still see it as an occasion for a giggle?

I've thought on this recently and the illogical nature of vocal seemingly progressive people who are strangely quiet in the face of other change..

It's because they are afraid, whether consciously or otherwise. Deep down I think a lot of people strongly fear not just how society is changing in the face of automation/outsourcing etc..But also in how their society (if they can even call it theirs anymore) is changing so rapidly. Yes it was great to have a few "coloured" people who bought with them tasty dishes, it was great to ponder the idea of a border less world.

The real reality (as someone who has spent a lot of time in UK/Ireland/elsewhere) is that the people who have moved in just do not appreciate what we offer. And why would they? From "slut marches", 1m different genders, an increasing tolerance of sexual/violent material pervasively everywhere, abandonment of the old etc.

So they have stayed apart from it all, and they have voluntarily segregated themselves. And now their numbers are growing extremely fast. The mention of demographics in the 90's/00's which would have seen you castigated (and the amusing fact is that the "holy grail' of what was bad; Enoch Powell lost his reputation on predicting a fraction of the real outcome) has actually happened. Not as one collective " mass" but just a separate group from the indigenous folk. Its at the point where politicians have to court the vote now, there is no door to shut as it makes no difference.

And those same people who supported it now have no option. They can't say too much is too much (though the brexit vote was kind of a shout for help in my opinion) as the people are now just as "insert whatever country you want" as they are... Politicians will ignore them as they are too busy trying to get votes from wherever they can. Public society won't allow nuance and will castigate you if you mention it in anything other than a positive light...

So they bury it and just carry on with their lives and try and not think about too much. Laugh at people who try and vocalise the problem, shout down talks to examine the issue by rehashing the same old ground, bringing up the same old tired idiot who make a tit of himself way back when.

No happy solution to this one...we've only to look at south Africa to see that people do not forgive or forget. If people expect to be treated the same when they are a minority, they'll be in for a very rude awakening...

Edit: On phone btw apologies for errors

Odhinn

dude_abided wrote: »

...........................

No happy solution to this one...we've only to look at south Africa to see that people do not forgive or forget. If people expect to be treated the same when they are a minority, they'll be in for a very rude awakening...

E

If you perhaps read about south africa from something other than far right sources, you might actually have information to base an opinion on.

Captain Obvious

dude_abided wrote: »

I've thought on this recently and the illogical nature of vocal seemingly progressive people who are strangely quiet in the face of other change..

It's because they are afraid, whether consciously or otherwise. Deep down I think a lot of people strongly fear not just how society is changing in the face of automation/outsourcing etc..But also in how their society (if they can even call it theirs anymore) is changing so rapidly. Yes it was great to have a few "coloured" people who bought with them tasty dishes, it was great to ponder the idea of a border less world.

The real reality (as someone who has spent a lot of time in UK/Ireland/elsewhere) is that the people who have moved in just do not appreciate what we offer. And why would they? From "slut marches", 1m different genders, an increasing tolerance of sexual/violent material pervasively everywhere, abandonment of the old etc.

So they have stayed apart from it all, and they have voluntarily segregated themselves. And now their numbers are growing extremely fast. The mention of demographics in the 90's/00's which would have seen you castigated (and the amusing fact is that the "holy grail' of what was bad; Enoch Powell lost his reputation on predicting a fraction of the real outcome) has actually happened. Not as one collective " mass" but just a separate group from the indigenous folk. Its at the point where politicians have to court the vote now, there is no door to shut as it makes no difference.

And those same people who supported it now have no option. They can't say too much is too much (though the brexit vote was kind of a shout for help in my opinion) as the people are now just as "insert whatever country you want" as they are... Politicians will ignore them as they are too busy trying to get votes from wherever they can. Public society won't allow nuance and will castigate you if you mention it in anything other than a positive light...

So they bury it and just carry on with their lives and try and not think about too much. Laugh at people who try and vocalise the problem, shout down talks to examine the issue by rehashing the same old ground, bringing up the same old tired idiot who make a tit of himself way back when.

No happy solution to this one...we've only to look at south Africa to see that people do not forgive or forget. If people expect to be treated the same when they are a minority, they'll be in for a very rude awakening...

Edit: On phone btw apologies for errors

The way the right wing mind works is fascinating. You can't even wrap your head around the idea that people should be treated individually instead of based on some grouping they happen to belong to. You are trying to apply your mind set and reasoning to liberals and progressives and so you come up with this nonsense.

terryduff12

Captain Obvious wrote: »

The way the right wing mind works is fascinating. You can't even wrap your head around the idea that people should be treated individually instead of based on some grouping they happen to belong to. You are trying to apply your mind set and reasoning to liberals and progressives and so you come up with this nonsense.

Of course its nonsense Mr Obvious, Sure he`s from Right down the road anything you don't like is from Right down the road. Because your the moral compass that everyone has to bow down to or be cast out and to the Right.

Sand

Captain Obvious wrote: »

The way the right wing mind works is fascinating. You can't even wrap your head around the idea that people should be treated individually instead of based on some grouping they happen to belong to. You are trying to apply your mind set and reasoning to liberals and progressives and so you come up with this nonsense.

So white privilege is not a thing then? And all lives matter? And there should not be hiring quotas by grouping? The progressive left does not agree.

Captain Obvious

terryduff12 wrote: »

Of course its nonsense Mr Obvious, Sure he`s from Right down the road anything you don't like is from Right down the road. Because your the moral compass that everyone has to bow down to or be cast out and to the Right.

As long as you are aware of it.

Sand wrote: »

So white privilege is not a thing then? And all lives matter? And there should not be hiring quotas by grouping? The progressive left does not agree.

They would be regressive left policies imo

terryduff12

Captain Obvious wrote: »

As long as you are aware of it.

I am

Danny Donut

The Backwards Man wrote: »

He was only there fighting the corner of the victims of sexual abuse, Tommy's no bigoted xenophobic thug that doesn't give a ****e about who suffers as long as he can use it for his own ends. No way.

I like your style

Sand

Captain Obvious wrote: »

They would be regressive left policies imo

The regressive left are the "liberals and progressives". This is the mainstream left who are increasingly organising on divisions of race, gender, sexuality etc, etc. The only mainstream political groups clinging to the idea that "people should be treated individually instead of based on some grouping they happen to belong to" are the centre right (Republicans and Tories for example) struggling to find some "survival of the fittest" meme to unify multicultural societies, the extreme right (libertarians etc) and high functioning psychopaths. Trade unionists certainly do not.

The observation dude_abided made was that under the influence of "liberals and progressives" people do not buy into the concept that they are individuals and should be treated as individuals only. The "individualism at all costs" of the progressive western societies they find themselves in repels them. Leading to isolation, alienation and contempt for a perceived decadent society. The values which underpinned the targeting of English girls for abuse, and indeed for the abusers to defiantly shout "Allahu Akbar" as they were sentenced. They certainly see themselves as part of a group, and they saw their victims as outside that group.

dude_abided

Odhinn wrote: »

If you perhaps read about south africa from something other than far right sources, you might actually have information to base an opinion on.

Pray enlighten me..

Sand

dude_abided wrote: »

Pray enlighten me..

Homer: Hey, this is the only paper in America that's not afraid to tell the truth, that everything is just fine.

dude_abided

Captain Obvious wrote: »

The way the right wing mind works is fascinating. You can't even wrap your head around the idea that people should be treated individually instead of based on some grouping they happen to belong to. You are trying to apply your mind set and reasoning to liberals and progressives and so you come up with this nonsense.

Wait...you just lumped the "right wing mind" into one....whilst disparaging the fact that they do so?

Wait wut

Odhinn

dude_abided wrote: »

Pray enlighten me..

No happy solution to this one...we've only to look at south Africa to see that people do not forgive or forget.

They largely settled for a truth and reconciliation committee. You might look at France or Algeria post liberation for what happens when people don't forgive or forget.

Captain Obvious

Sand wrote: »

The regressive left are the "liberals and progressives". This is the mainstream left who are increasingly organising on divisions of race, gender, sexuality etc, etc. The only mainstream political groups clinging to the idea that "people should be treated individually instead of based on some grouping they happen to belong to" are the centre right (Republicans and Tories for example) struggling to find some "survival of the fittest" meme to unify multicultural societies, the extreme right (libertarians etc) and high functioning psychopaths. Trade unionists certainly do not.

The observation dude_abided made was that under the influence of "liberals and progressives" people do not buy into the concept that they are individuals and should be treated as individuals only. The "individualism at all costs" of the progressive western societies they find themselves in repels them. Leading to isolation, alienation and contempt for a perceived decadent society. The values which underpinned the targeting of English girls for abuse, and indeed for the abusers to defiantly shout "Allahu Akbar" as they were sentenced. They certainly see themselves as part of a group, and they saw their victims as outside that group.

Would you go away out of that. Republicans are treating people as individuals. Republicans where? I've never heard such tripe. They banned whole countries from entering the US.

Let's get something clear here. If you are a copper and you don't act on evidence of child abuse because you're afraid of being called racist then you are a disgrace to the job. You don't get to blame the left for ignoring it. And it's just as bad that people like you allow them to use that excuse. Do you really see it as an excuse? Would you let a kid suffer for fear of being called racist?

dude_abided wrote: »

Wait...you just lumped the "right wing mind" into one....whilst disparaging the fact that they do so?

Wait wut

Ah I see the confusion. You can't understand the difference between a person choosing a political ideology and a person being born into a particular set of circumstances. Choice is the difference.

Odhinn

la peseta loca wrote: »

go to liveleakdotcom and type in "white farm murders"
nsfw

..the usual debunked nonsense.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41807642

um7y1h83ge06nx

Who is this lad? Would he be any craic to have a few pints with? Or just zero craic?

dude_abided

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Ah I see the confusion. You can't understand the difference between a person choosing a political ideology and a person being born into a particular set of circumstances. Choice is the difference.

Sorry but are you obfuscating the point? You said group x of people lump people into categories.... When you then proceeded to do the same with them?

I don't remember any mention of doing it by ideology or people being 'born into it'. Are you changing the goal posts? Still sounds like hypocrisy to me..

Also why am I being lumped into the right wing? Where is my choice? I don't fit the usual patterns of anything (can you also please define what you mean by right wing?) that people usually are. My parentage and upbringing is not particularly normal certainly not by European standards, I hold a pretty diversified range of views on a number of topics.

To me it sounds like you act like you probably always act. Nit pick and semantics til the original point is lost. Which you're quite happy with..

Captain Obvious

dude_abided wrote: »

Sorry but are you obfuscating the point? You said group x of people lump people into categories.... When you then proceeded to do the same with them?

I don't remember any mention of doing it by ideology or people being 'born into it'. Are you changing the goal posts? Still sounds like hypocrisy to me..

Also why am I being lumped into the right wing? Where is my choice? I don't fit the usual patterns of anything (can you also please define what you mean by right wing?) that people usually are. My parentage and upbringing is not particularly normal certainly not by European standards, I hold a pretty diversified range of views on a number of topics.

To me it sounds like you act like you probably always act. Nit pick and semantics til the original point is lost. Which you're quite happy with..

There is a difference between treating people base don how they act and think as opposed to treating them based on where they are from or what they are

dude_abided

Odhinn wrote: »

..the usual debunked nonsense.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41807642

Right. Read the continual excusing of stats from your own link, we don't know this, we don't know that...

And i know a lot of people out there. The idea there is not serious problems out there is simply laughable. Then again who cares... :pac:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-44278164?intlink_from_url=http://www.bbc.com/news/topics/cq23pdgvyl7t/south-africa&link_location=live-reporting-story

"Africa is for black people. Period. We need our land back and we're going to take it by force,"

AfterLife

Miranda Immense Survivor wrote: »

Who is this lad? Would he be any craic to have a few pints with? Or just zero craic?

Stephen is a fierce man for Damien Dempsey and the Wolfe Tones when he's up at his Ma's battering cans of Guinness. This Tommy lad is a bit of dry ****e by all accounts.

terryduff12

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Let's get something clear here. If you are a copper and you don't act on evidence of child abuse because you're afraid of being called racist then you are a disgrace to the job. You don't get to blame the left for ignoring it. And it's just as bad that people like you allow them to use that excuse. Do you really see it as an excuse? Would you let a kid suffer for fear of being called racist?

Its more than just coppers that weren't doing there job.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/girls-rochdale-grooming-scandal-case-13051982

A labour mp who wanted them to keep there mouths shut

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/844850/Naz-Shah-Jeremy-Corbyn-Rotherham-tweet-sex-victims-shut-mouths-diversity

Captain Obvious

terryduff12 wrote: »

Its more than just coppers that weren't doing there job.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/girls-rochdale-grooming-scandal-case-13051982

A labour mp who wanted them to keep there mouths shut

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/844850/Naz-Shah-Jeremy-Corbyn-Rotherham-tweet-sex-victims-shut-mouths-diversity

My point stands. "I was afraid of the liberals calling me racist" is not a valid excuse for letting children be abused and the fact that some people so readily accept it because it helps their campaign against the left is pathetic.

terryduff12

Captain Obvious wrote: »

My point stands. "I was afraid of the liberals calling me racist" is not a valid excuse for letting children be abused and the fact that some people so readily accept it because it helps their campaign against the left is pathetic.

But your quick to say everyone that has a view on islam is right and is bad and stupid and ignorant. I think your need to have a look at yourself. There hiring here you should be right at home
https://twitter.com/uncoolamy/status/1002335944173907968

terryduff12

You cant beat a good old dose of sharia Law in the Uk not English law the law of Islam in a western country, who would have thought I would like muslim women to have the same rights as men but sure that's my Far right ignorant and stupidity sure im probably wrong about it as I cant tar them all the same.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/sharia-law-uk-courts-muslim-women-rights-few-compared-islamic-countries-religious-rulings-quran-a8064796.html

For a Muslim man, it is simple. He merely has to say “I divorce you” (talaq) three times over a period of separation and the divorce is legitimate. A Muslim woman cannot say the words. She has to go to an Islamic judge in a Muslim country, or a sharia council in non-Muslim countries, to seek a judicial decree on specific grounds to be free. If she does not have any grounds for a divorce, she has to waive her “Mehr” – a compulsory financial gift by her husband.

pitifulgod

terryduff12 wrote: »

But your quick to say everyone that has a view on islam is right and is bad and stupid and ignorant. I think your need to have a look at yourself. There hiring here you should be right at home
https://twitter.com/uncoolamy/status/1002335944173907968

I've seen people throughout this thread who have ignored how completely unacceptable it is to report outside a trial that involves minor. It isn't a rule that just applies for when Muslims are involved. But instead you and others think he's hard done by. The rule exists as much to protect the victims btw. Tommy put his agenda ahead of victims and getting a successful conviction.

Captain Obvious

terryduff12 wrote: »

But your quick to say everyone that has a view on islam is right and is bad and stupid and ignorant. I think your need to have a look at yourself. There hiring here you should be right at home
https://twitter.com/uncoolamy/status/1002335944173907968

Think you must have me mixed up with someone else. I don't care if you want to have a go at Islam. It seems I have to explain this quite regularly. Don't know why it's so hard to comprehend. My issue is with judging people based on their ethnic or cultural background. That's the part I find ignorant.