dude_abided wrote: » Sorry but are you obfuscating the point? You said group x of people lump people into categories.... When you then proceeded to do the same with them? I don't remember any mention of doing it by ideology or people being 'born into it'. Are you changing the goal posts? Still sounds like hypocrisy to me.. Also why am I being lumped into the right wing? Where is my choice? I don't fit the usual patterns of anything (can you also please define what you mean by right wing?) that people usually are. My parentage and upbringing is not particularly normal certainly not by European standards, I hold a pretty diversified range of views on a number of topics. To me it sounds like you act like you probably always act. Nit pick and semantics til the original point is lost. Which you're quite happy with..
Captain Obvious wrote: » Ah I see the confusion. You can't understand the difference between a person choosing a political ideology and a person being born into a particular set of circumstances. Choice is the difference.
la peseta loca wrote: » go to liveleakdotcom and type in "white farm murders"nsfw
Sand wrote: » The regressive left are the "liberals and progressives". This is the mainstream left who are increasingly organising on divisions of race, gender, sexuality etc, etc. The only mainstream political groups clinging to the idea that "people should be treated individually instead of based on some grouping they happen to belong to" are the centre right (Republicans and Tories for example) struggling to find some "survival of the fittest" meme to unify multicultural societies, the extreme right (libertarians etc) and high functioning psychopaths. Trade unionists certainly do not. The observation dude_abided made was that under the influence of "liberals and progressives" people do not buy into the concept that they are individuals and should be treated as individuals only. The "individualism at all costs" of the progressive western societies they find themselves in repels them. Leading to isolation, alienation and contempt for a perceived decadent society. The values which underpinned the targeting of English girls for abuse, and indeed for the abusers to defiantly shout "Allahu Akbar" as they were sentenced. They certainly see themselves as part of a group, and they saw their victims as outside that group.
dude_abided wrote: » Wait...you just lumped the "right wing mind" into one....whilst disparaging the fact that they do so? Wait wut
dude_abided wrote: » Pray enlighten me..
No happy solution to this one...we've only to look at south Africa to see that people do not forgive or forget.
Captain Obvious wrote: » The way the right wing mind works is fascinating. You can't even wrap your head around the idea that people should be treated individually instead of based on some grouping they happen to belong to. You are trying to apply your mind set and reasoning to liberals and progressives and so you come up with this nonsense.
Odhinn wrote: » If you perhaps read about south africa from something other than far right sources, you might actually have information to base an opinion on.
Captain Obvious wrote: » They would be regressive left policies imo
The Backwards Man wrote: » He was only there fighting the corner of the victims of sexual abuse, Tommy's no bigoted xenophobic thug that doesn't give a ****e about who suffers as long as he can use it for his own ends. No way.
Captain Obvious wrote: » As long as you are aware of it.
terryduff12 wrote: » Of course its nonsense Mr Obvious, Sure he`s from Right down the road anything you don't like is from Right down the road. Because your the moral compass that everyone has to bow down to or be cast out and to the Right.
Sand wrote: » So white privilege is not a thing then? And all lives matter? And there should not be hiring quotas by grouping? The progressive left does not agree.
dude_abided wrote: » I've thought on this recently and the illogical nature of vocal seemingly progressive people who are strangely quiet in the face of other change.. It's because they are afraid, whether consciously or otherwise. Deep down I think a lot of people strongly fear not just how society is changing in the face of automation/outsourcing etc..But also in how their society (if they can even call it theirs anymore) is changing so rapidly. Yes it was great to have a few "coloured" people who bought with them tasty dishes, it was great to ponder the idea of a border less world. The real reality (as someone who has spent a lot of time in UK/Ireland/elsewhere) is that the people who have moved in just do not appreciate what we offer. And why would they? From "slut marches", 1m different genders, an increasing tolerance of sexual/violent material pervasively everywhere, abandonment of the old etc. So they have stayed apart from it all, and they have voluntarily segregated themselves. And now their numbers are growing extremely fast. The mention of demographics in the 90's/00's which would have seen you castigated (and the amusing fact is that the "holy grail' of what was bad; Enoch Powell lost his reputation on predicting a fraction of the real outcome) has actually happened. Not as one collective " mass" but just a separate group from the indigenous folk. Its at the point where politicians have to court the vote now, there is no door to shut as it makes no difference. And those same people who supported it now have no option. They can't say too much is too much (though the brexit vote was kind of a shout for help in my opinion) as the people are now just as "insert whatever country you want" as they are... Politicians will ignore them as they are too busy trying to get votes from wherever they can. Public society won't allow nuance and will castigate you if you mention it in anything other than a positive light... So they bury it and just carry on with their lives and try and not think about too much. Laugh at people who try and vocalise the problem, shout down talks to examine the issue by rehashing the same old ground, bringing up the same old tired idiot who make a tit of himself way back when. No happy solution to this one...we've only to look at south Africa to see that people do not forgive or forget. If people expect to be treated the same when they are a minority, they'll be in for a very rude awakening... Edit: On phone btw apologies for errors
dude_abided wrote: » ........................... No happy solution to this one...we've only to look at south Africa to see that people do not forgive or forget. If people expect to be treated the same when they are a minority, they'll be in for a very rude awakening... E
Sand wrote: » Honestly, its incomprehensible people are posting muslim rape gangs/muslamic ray guns jokes in 2018. It might have been have way excusable in the past, but its incredible post Rotheram, Telford, Derby, etc, etc. Girls were branded. Tortured. Some were burned to death in their homes when they tried to escape. And people still see it as an occasion for a giggle?
Call Me Jimmy wrote: » Don't take this as implicit defense of infowars, but you're talking about sources, your's calls the march 'neo-nazi' themed, I click the link, daily mail video, no sign of neo nazi symbols or sentiments, black guy singing Tommy Tommy Robinson in the crowd.
Ulysses Gaze wrote: » Labour would likely just go into a coalition with the Lib Dems. The Lib Dems have rebounded and will continue to increase their voter share.
Both parties are helped by the fact that Theresa May is the most disastrous Post-War Prime Minister.
I don't like Labour and their approach to both the issues of Grooming Gangs and Anti-Semitism casts a large shadow over the party. But there are a hell of a lot of people in the North of England who will vote for them even if it is against their better judgement.
thebull85 wrote: » Yes i did mean to reply to my own post, im not all that familiar with posting videos on here so i done it as best as i could. That ok with you boss?
thebull85 wrote: » Im just asking because i grew up hearing our Irish brothers and sisters in the north referred to by RTE as the "nationalist community". Little did i know that it meant they were all a bunch of xenophobes.
thebull85 wrote: » Also sorry for the broken link, im following the instructions posted on here for posting videos. Not sure why its not working.
Captain Obvious wrote: » It breeds xenophobia and often gives people an undeserved sense of superiority.
thebull85 wrote: » The proof that it wasnt a neo nazi march is out there for everyone to see. Do you actually believe it was neo nazi themed? Wouldnt just be a media smear no?
thebull85 wrote: » Also what is your problem with nationalists?
Captain Obvious wrote: » So your proof that the other march was not a nazi one is this completely different march? Were they the same groups? Same people involved?
thebull85 wrote: » Yes i did mean to reply to my own post, im not all that familiar with posting videos on here so i done it as best as i could. That ok with you boss? Yes this group is linked to Tommy. As for the comments, its youtube what did you expect? And the video is relevant, a smaller scale march in London held earlier this week was called a neo nazi themed march. And a link to it was posted on here. There is no one forcing you to come here if you do not like the posts feel free to unfollow.
Captain Obvious wrote: » It would be easier if you used your tags properly. Or just post the actual link. And did you mean to reply to your own post? For those interested here is the link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR-yPTkNgqQ It's a live stream from some march against extremism. I'm not sure why you thought this was relevant though. Is the group linked to Robinson or something? I take it we are to ignore the nationalist chants and racist jokes in the comments.
thebull85 wrote: » https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
thebull85 wrote: » wow.. another neo nazi themed march. look at all those swastikas...
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