Outlaw Pete wrote: » I think the prolife movement in general also needs to move away from some of those who are only opposed to abortion on religious grounds. Almost everyone I know who voted No is an atheist and would have voted Yes but for the 12 weeks without restriction.
gctest50 wrote: » Placental neurokinin B (NKB) contains phosphocoline and that's also uses by the parasitic nematode worm to avoid attack from the immune syatem of the host
fxotoole wrote: » Surely you mean baby, not fetus, right?
sabat wrote: » The Caucasus is in Europe; wikipedia also mentions a growing problem in the Balkans. What's your problem with my suggested law? Why not pre-empt the possibility of this becoming an issue and send out a message that it's unacceptable?
nozzferrahhtoo wrote: » No it is not like saying that AT ALL in fact. But this is a common error. The difference is, however, quite large. In your example you are talking about two difference instances of human sentience, that of a pre-teen and that of a teen. When people are talking about the fetus they are talking about the complete ABSENCE of that faculty however. So you are talking about two different statuses of sentience, while they are talking about the absence or presence of it at all. To pretend those two things are "like" each other therefore, is simply an error. As if I was talking about the fruit bowl being empty, and rather than acknowledge it to be empty you start telling me about the difference between apples and oranges.
tretorn wrote: » The human brain is present in the foetus from very early on and its this that decides whether you are human or not. You can argue about the degree of sentients all you like but the fact is the foetus is developing its eventual intelligence everyday thats its allowed to live. The foetus also has its entire genetic code in every cell of the twelve week old body and its also has its own unique finger print. Its not going to be anything other than a human baby when its eventually born and the person thats born is the exact same person it was at twelve weeks and its not really sentient in anyway either. The main reason abortionists dont like killing babies at later stages of gestation is not because the baby is too big, its because its too human so impossible to pretend its anything other than a human baby.Earlier is gestation people decide that a foetus isnt human so its ok to call it a parasite and parasites are just leeches so no moral arguement to be made against removing it from its life support in the womb.
Fighting Tao wrote: » Have you any evidence or should laws be written for everything in case one person does it?. E.g. building a set of wings like Icarus and jumping off a high building I presume you have zero evidence of the handful of people from the Caucasus gender selecting in Ireland.
Fighting Tao wrote: » Serious question to those who voted No. I suspect that the uptake will be vert poor but I'll try anyway. If you, your wife, your sister, your daughter, your niece etc., needed an abortion in order to survive before repealing, would you have just turned around and said to them something along the lines of "sorry, but you must die because the foetus inside you is more important", or would you fight tooth and nail for an abortion?
sabat wrote: » There are innumerable laws on the books that are rarely used but it's still proper for them to be there-bestiality for example.
nullzero wrote: » I wouldn't take issue with abortion in those circumstances. The issue of unrestricted abortion up to 12 weeks is my only gripe, everything else is fine with me. I expected I would vote yes on this referendum before the details were announced.
tretorn wrote: » The human brain is present in the foetus from very early on and its this that decides whether you are human or not.
tretorn wrote: » You can argue about the degree of sentients all you like but the fact is the foetus is developing its eventual intelligence everyday thats its allowed to live.
tretorn wrote: » The foetus also has its entire genetic code in every cell of the twelve week old body and its also has its own unique finger print.
tretorn wrote: » Its not going to be anything other than a human baby when its eventually born and the person thats born is the exact same person it was at twelve weeks and its not really sentient in anyway either.
tretorn wrote: » The main reason abortionists dont like killing babies at later stages of gestation is not because the baby is too big, its because its too human so impossible to pretend its anything other than a human baby.
tretorn wrote: » Earlier is gestation people decide that a foetus isnt human so its ok to call it a parasite and parasites are just leeches so no moral arguement to be made against removing it from its life support in the womb.
Fighting Tao wrote: » So you would support abortion when the woman was at serious risk. However, by voting no, you were going against whatever she needs. You are supporting a death sentence for someone you look in the face, love....
nullzero wrote: » No, I felt a different proposal could and should have been put forward in the event on a no vote. I answered honestly and don't appreciate the tone you took in response.
Cupcake_Crisis wrote: » A different proposal was put forward, several times, and each tone it was shot down by the same people who tried to stop repeal. When the choice was placed in the public’s hands they made their choice.
Fighting Tao wrote: » 35 years and no other proposal ever was put forward. Not sure what you mean by my tone as none was implied. Maybe the point I was making made you feel and think a little and thats why you didn't like the tone you choose to read my reply in.
nullzero wrote: » Taking the emotional route to the moral high ground "someone you look in the face, love..." Don't be coy about it.
Fighting Tao wrote: » That was not tone. The country has had emotion shoved down it's throat from the No campaign. I highlight a realistic situation that everyone voted probably should have thought about because it could affect them some day, and I'm the bad guy? Btw, I hope you don't have to face a real situation like that ever. No one deserves to.
nullzero wrote: » Well what was the tone? Emotive language was used by both sides, to assign it to one side alone isn't accurate.
Fighting Tao wrote: » There was no tone. Be offended all you want. I’m sorry if you suddenly discovered that you have feelings deep down.(there was a genuine tone of sorrow to my last sentence)
nullzero wrote: » I don't agree with you so I have no feelings?
Crea wrote: » Oxford dictionary definition - An organism that lives in or on an organism of another species (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense. So by definition an embryo/foetus would be a parasite.
