clint_silver wrote: » but thats up to the GAA club, then the county and then the central council to decide what punishment there should be and it should be left there. Whats printing names in a national newspaper going to do other than put anyone off ever volunteering at all. with all the current regulations, you cant cross a white line or fill a water bottle without a welfare course or your foundation course done. Thats law since last month. If you asked a mam on the sideline who was helping a girl put a jersey on has she got a welfare course done, if she says no, you can call the gards on her and the club. That's how serious its got (lady from Tusla confirmed that in a workshop I was at). And now if you use a swear word, intentionally OR otherwise, your name could be on the front of a national newspaper? Its just not right.Why would anyone be a mentor?
blanch152 wrote: » A fundamental point of disagreement with you is that the main issue isn't any of the above - you even make some reasonable points - but that the main issue is confidentiality of child protection. The club broke this, the club should suffer.
Smith614 wrote: » You are obviously doing things 100% by all the books. Confidentiality???? U should see clubs are really run. Struggling with tiny numbers of adminstrators/officers/coaches. Parents in most cases only contribute when it is negatives they have to cntribute. It is coming to the day when dressing rooms will be silent and coaches will be banned from giving instructions to their underage players. This really seems to be blown out of all proportions.
puzl wrote: » Don't even try to suggest that warmups can be skipped. It's his own fault if he got investigated for that. He made the decision to prioritise drills over warmups. Warmups are to avoid injuries. There is no way they should be skipped at any grade.
clint_silver wrote: » murky dealings of the club is a bit extreme. theyre volunteers. Theres methods from bottom to the top for dealing with things. If its a child welfare issue, the mentor on the team is first port of call or another mentor if thats where the issue is. Then, for a club of that size they should have one, the child welfare officer for that code.. Then theres an executive club board with a club welfare officer. An executive county board with a child officer if needs be. A gaa exec council with a welfare officer (gearoid in this case). If theres conflict with any point you go one higher, if you go straight to the top like what happened here, they will refer you back down the chain and rightly so. As for a coach swearing at kids, do me a favor, was it an isolated incident, was he constantly swearing at them? did the kids have a problem with it or just the parents? did the coach go on severall courses paid for out of his own money, apply proper RAMP warmup principles to the team, use latest games model for coaching, maximize the kids potential whilst navigating the minefield of "child welfare" where an isolated use of a swear word is thrown into nearly the same bracket as a potential grooming case? but theres another coach in another club, he watched a couple of gaa games when he was growing up, he throws his name in the ring, he's now a coach too. not interested in doing a course, doesnt have time, kids are going backwards under him, but oh yeah, he's good, he doesnt use swear words. Kids give up when theyre 14-15, cos theyre losing every week. they know theyre not getting better. But that doesnt matter because the coach doesnt use swear words. The point is, you pick and choose what you want to highlight. what is and isnt an actual problem. The first fella needs a word in the ear, and/or the welfare course if he hasnt done it. the second fella needs a lot more.
clint_silver wrote: » The story shouldnt have left the 4 walls of the club, county or GAA. Whats printing in a national newspaper going to do? rectify it? make anyone do anything different?
BrianBoru00 wrote: » To be fair- its not as much of a hachet job. I just hope hes not going down the road of exposing badly handled situations in GAA club because he could basically fill as many pages as he wants given theres over 2500 clubs in the country. In regard to this issue - again it seems to have been badly handled by the club,. -He had encouraged children to give preference to hurling over football. -He had organised training sessions on Saturdays - traditionally a football day. -He had been late taking his team off the pitch one night after a training session, delaying the start of a competitive game. -He had allowed parents to provide drinks and sandwiches for a celebration, and promoted the notion that the club were remiss for not doing the same. -He had missed a training session one night and not paid his annual sub. The reasons given here are perfectly legitimate grievances but I'd like to hear his response to each individual charge. Is this a football V Hurling issue which happens way too often. . . I would echo his sentiments and wonder why the chairman did not personally pay for defamation and what role does Garwyn have for the GAA . . .
Tell me how wrote: » The latest story again highlighted an unwillingness of people to get involved when their role specifically is to do so. Dublin Child protection officer should have responded as soon as she received an email.I'd say Kimmage is getting plenty calls/messages asking him to look in to issues in other clubs across the country.
Joe Dog wrote: How come he's not deciding to go after clubs in other sports.If he doesn't come up with a big exposé on other types of clubs fairly soon it'll look fairly obvious to neutral observers that he has a bias against one sporting organisation, also I'd argue this type of fairly low level local stuff (and that's what it is) does not really justify taking up the first pages of the sports section of the country's biggest newspaper.
Tell me how wrote: » This led to one of the most senior figures in the GAA being involved. It's a national story. Kimmage has written extensively about cycling and also rugby PED's. Each time he uncovers something people say "why isn't he looking at something else". There's very few journalists like him and he should be supported to mentor others.
ethical wrote: » I must get in touch with Mr.Kimmage! As has been stated he is a journalist that researches and brings stories of interest to the general public.I've noted the competiting here between gaelic football and hurling teams within the same club. Unfortunately there is an "ignorance" with some so called GAA coaches/mentors,they only see their own sport and fcuk the rest! Now dont get me wrong as there are some fine all encompassing men and women attached to clubs that are as fair as a summers day is long. I was shocked to hear recently that a local rural small town that has managed to have a gaelic football, (both ladies and mens),hurling, soccer and even a few handballers all running alongside each other for many years are now in a bit of bother. Mr.Kimmage would love getting his teeth into this! An ignorant cohort in the underage boys gaelic football team has banned their members from playing soccer (get out of the dark ages you buffoons).The unfortunate thing now is that the town soccer club will not be able to field some teams at underage level meaning that those who wish to play both codes will either have to travel elswhere or totally give up soccer.You wouldnt mind but the soccer club has had a few players over the years who got international recognition,quite a feat for a small rural town I'd say.The other sad thing is that the mentors concerned are seen as pillars of society and are educated people.......but totall ignorant.The biscuit tin brigade are alive and well!
Radiant Cool Crazy Nightmare wrote: » Very well put. Whatever about the coaches carry on regarding the football v hurling, which is seen in clubs up and down the country, to say that about him in a meeting is scandalous. The issue was very badly handled by the club and it's another example of ranks being closed in a situation that if it was met head on could have been resolved swiftly. It's the kids that are suffering here yet again. I'd also like to see Kimmage look more into Garwyn and what exactly their role is, and not be running stories on the squabbles that do occur around the country. How many of us know people that upped and left clubs with their kids over some perceived slight.
BowSideChamp wrote: » Garwyn is the insurance providers for such legal actions. Every organisation has officer and directors insurance.
Joe Dog wrote: » How come he's not deciding to go after clubs in other sports.If he doesn't come up with a big exposé on other types of clubs fairly soon it'll look fairly obvious to neutral observers that he has a bias against one sporting organisation, also I'd argue this type of fairly low level local stuff (and that's what it is) does not really justify taking up the first pages of the sports section of the country's biggest newspaper.
Fann Linn wrote: Are the club still banned?
clint_silver wrote: "we contacted xyz but they refused to comment, the story remains unfinished at time of going to press".
Tell me how wrote: » Don't think so. Some comments on recent pages that they're back playing.
Radiant Cool Crazy Nightmare wrote: » BowSideChamp wrote: » Garwyn is the insurance providers for such legal actions. Every organisation has officer and directors insurance. Did not know that, thanks. As a matter of interest, had the matter been settled prior to court would they still have been the ones to pay? Is it normal for the Organisation to pay even though it was the Chairman and not the GAA that was being pursued by the coach for what was said? I'm not very familiar with these instances as can be seen
EagererBeaver wrote: » I don't get this though. Regardless of Howley's role as chairman, his defamatory comments were not those of O'Dwyer's GAA club. He got into this mess personally. The article makes very clear that the legal case was one private individual vs another. Why is the GAA forking out to cover this?
dieselbug wrote: » EagererBeaver wrote: » I don't get this though. Regardless of Howley's role as chairman, his defamatory comments were not those of O'Dwyer's GAA club. He got into this mess personally. The article makes very clear that the legal case was one private individual vs another. Why is the GAA forking out to cover this? I don't I could agree with you here. If the individual is to be held personally responsible I think it would be a very poor outlook for every volunteer in every capacity in any club anywhere. That's what insurance is there for and any member paying a yearly subscription in making a contribution towards it. I think most people would think twice about volunteering if they thought they would be exposing themselves to personal litigation.
dieselbug wrote: » I don't I could agree with you here. If the individual is to be held personally responsible I think it would be a very poor outlook for every volunteer in every capacity in any club anywhere. That's what insurance is there for and any member paying a yearly subscription in making a contribution towards it. I think most people would think twice about volunteering if they thought they would be exposing themselves to personal litigation.
