Cupcake_Crisis wrote: » Actually the figure of €300 is being suggested atm. Although that’s ludicrous and won’t make it through legislation imo.
Mavis Warm Stranger wrote: » Well, aftercare for a start. Possibility of termination in complicated circumstances, like Savita's case for example.
Mavis Warm Stranger wrote: » A lot of your list I would agree with. How do you feel about abortion in the case where a woman is pregnant by rape?
seamus wrote: » Terminations over the 12 week limit will only be in exceptional circumstances and as such will be fully covered by the state.
Mavis Warm Stranger wrote: » Well, aftercare for a start. Possibility of termination in complicated circumstances, like Savita's case for example. and, as quoted: It's a fair bit more work than a standard appointment, where the GP might have a 5 minute chat a quick check with a stethoscope and you're on your way.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » This and the Savita case were the real difficulties for me. Those reasons nearly swayed me into a no vote, but because it was legal abortion for all with no exceptions was a bridge too far for me. The rape itself is obviously going to be terribly traumatic, would a full term pregnancy push the woman over the edge so they would take thier own life? In that case I think it would depend on how the welfare of the woman would be effected. Abortion may be the only option in that scenario. If those type of exceptions were placed in a draft idea of legislation before the vote I may have even voted yes. It was not as simple as a yes or no vote for me at all.
Cupcake_Crisis wrote: » Complicated cases such as Savita’s would not be dealt with by a GP. So basically a pregnancy test, a gynecological exam, and a medical history review to check suitability for the pill? All of which I have done in a GP for a smear test/ getting the contraceptive pill and could all be done in one visit.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Disagree boards.ie has a clear leaning when it comes to political and social debate.
Mavis Warm Stranger wrote: » Right, but you asked "what was the point" if its still cheaper to order pills online, and repealing affects a lot more than GP visits.
iguana wrote: » A clear leaning that matches most of the rest of the country. The 81% Yes vote here isn't actually all that far off from the 66.4% Yes vote from the electorate. It's far closer than most of us expected it to be considering the under-representation of the 65+ age group on boards. In terms of young people, boards.ie is actually more conservative than the 18-25 age bracket, of whom 87% voted Yes. So tbh, all that boards is, is a pretty accurate reflection of our society based on the age demographic of the users.
Claims that the majority of abortions in Ireland will cost €300 have been roundly rejected. Senior sources in the Department of Health said that they were anxious to avoid cost barriers for women who needed terminations. ... Estimates suggest that with the cost of a standard GP consultation and the abortion pill itself is likely to be around €150. Officials in the Department of Health do not recognise recent reports that a medical abortion will cost around €300.
seamus wrote: » It won't be in legislation. We don't put costs in legislation like this. They may put in a cap of €300, but even that's unlikely. The figures are coming from some spitballing - the cost of two GP appointments @ €100 each + the cost of the pills being a maximum of €134. It's worst-case scenario really; I would expect that most GPs will provide a single figure to cover the two appointments, and the pills won't cost anything like €134. Over time the current free maternity scheme will probably be extended to cover it, and all pill-only appointments will be free once you go through that scheme rather than private care.
Mavis Warm Stranger wrote: » It doesn't seem too unreasonable, although perhaps the 2nd consultation should be free, assuming all the assessments are done in one appointment. €134 is the price of the pills because of the Drug payment scheme. With around a €100 fee for the first appointment you're already at €234.
robarmstrong wrote: » You were saying?
tretorn wrote: » Simon Harris is talking about the Government paying for all abortions and this is only fair. Why should people on medical cards have abortions at no cost while the working person has to pay the guts of three hundred euros.
It is the epitaph of the country I grew up in, the only one I had to call home, this ancient land, traceable into antiquity by its piety, its valor, and its sufferings. This fool we are obliged to call Taoiseach (Chieftain), this man without qualities—who entered the last election three short years ago as “pro-life”—has led my people into a hell beyond imagining.
tretorn wrote: » Simon Harris is talking about the Government paying for all abortions and this is only fair. Why should people on medical cards have abortions at no cost while the working person has to pay the guts of three hundred euros. It wont involve GPS at all, that was the original idea in the UK and then forms were signed in advance so it looks like the woman has been seen by two doctors. The Government dont want to have to take responsibility for overseeing abortions, they like everyone else are absolutely sick of the word and they want it out of sight and out of mind now. The Family Planning clinics have said they are willing to give out the pills, they will do this and the woman will go home and take them, this means no follow up care which will cost money. Most of the pills will work and if not the woman will go to a maternity hospital to complete the abortion. Seemingly these pills are effective now up to twenty two weeks, I didnt realise that.
captbarnacles wrote: » https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2018/05/ireland-an-obituary John Waters is not taking this well.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » But those 20% on boards seem to actively or implicitly discouraged from posting thier views on the issue. It is an implied "your kind are not welcome here tone" whether you realise that or not I don't know?
end of the road wrote: » it's very unlikely the no campaign is going to simply go away because the law is introduced. they aren't going to simply get over it or shut up. that isn't how democracy works.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » Not in general. But as regards attitudes to social issues in Ireland, this is exactly how it has worked over the years. I remember Des O'Malley talking about this phenomenon on a documentary once, saying something like: "We have a great tradition in Ireland of people dying in the last ditch to resist social change and making wild, apocalyptic predictions about what will happen if divorce or contraception or whatever is introduced. And then it's passed and it's over and everyone forgets all about it." Our 'liberal elites' are entirely confident the same thing will happen vis a vis abortion. It's up to the pro-lifers to prove them wrong, and they won't do it by sitting round posting messages of defiance on the Internet....
ohnonotgmail wrote: » how do i know if i'm one of those "liberal elites"?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » The rape itself is obviously going to be terribly traumatic, would a full term pregnancy push the woman over the edge so they would take thier own life? In that case I think it would depend on how the welfare of the woman would be effected. Abortion may be the only option in that scenario.
