Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Why isn't God punishing us with bad weather after the Yes vote?

I have never seen the country in such good form!

I hate the heat hoping for a bit of cloud at least...

Maybe I am being punished for a no vote?

iguana

Oh god that video is the funniest thing I've seen in ages. My favourite part was when she is insisting on the 97% figure and Colm O'Gorman is trying very, very hard not to laugh. A bus with a Burger King ad on it pulls up behind her and for about 30 seconds WHOPPER is written next to her head.

retro:electro wrote: »

“97% of pregnancies in the UK end in abortion”
I’m actually weak who is this gowl

No, it was specifically 97% of healthy pregnancies she claimed are aborted. She later mentioned that 90% of Down's pregnancies are aborted. So clearly it's mainly healthy babies that women prefer to abort.

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

It actually gets funnier the more you watch it. Watch Colm’s facial expressions, he can’t believe the sh!te she’s coming out with.

At first he's just struggling not to laugh but later on it occasionally looks like he's trying to will someone off camera to just make it stop.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I don't see it as controlling women I see it as safeguarding a fetus they have all the control they want after that.

If I got a hammer and smashed a babies brains out I would be arrested and vilified.

Yet aborting a fetus is OK now just a few months earlier?

Laws are strange they change social and societal norms.

Years ago in the 1500's it was common place for royalty to give thier 13 year old daughter to some man.
Now that would be viewed as pedophilia.

Some societal changes are good but not this abortion thing.
To call it controlling seems strange to me.

Do people who get abortions not view the fetus as a life form at all?
I don't get it.
I know of a neighbour who miscarried and even went to the trouble of getting a little white coffin.

Obviously from the tone of this thread the vocal people who voted yes view the fetus as an inconvenience to thier body.

That should be got rid of like a pimple on yer @rse.

Unless the life of the mother is threatened I see it as an unnecessary act.

As I said in another post statistical some of those who voted yes must be unplanned pregnancies / unwanted pregnancies themselves.

So it was kind of like turkeys voting for Christmas... for some of them.

As I said before this is the start of the slippery slope.

I think a lot of the moderate yes votes will regret thier decision in 10
/ 20 / 30 years to come.People have made thier beds now this is the start of the slow slide toward eugenics, gender based abortion, maybe even colour of eyes / hair in years to come.

The hipster generation have spoken.

So you do want to control women while their pregnant thanks for clarifying.
If you actually bothered to read the thread and the ones before the vote you'd notice most of the contributors from the yes side are single or married people in their 30s to early 40s and some up to their 50s I believe, so I don't think the hipster generation doesn't cover these demographics. if I'm incorrect about that I'm sure someone can correct me. And no one compared a foetus to an arse pimple except yourself, but perhaps you just meant some women are the equivalent in your opinion.

Nearly every country in Europe has had legalised abortion for over 10 years and none of them regret it apart from maybe their equivalent of the Iona or the National Party, why do you think Ireland would be any different?

end of the road

i love the heat. hope it keeps up for the next few months. we have been cold for long enough.

See below:

DubInMeath wrote: »

So you do want to control women while their pregnant thanks for clarifying.

How is it controlling women it is just nature?
A natural biological outcome of a specific act.

It is the women that are trying to artificially control nature when there is a life-form inside them, not other people trying to control women.

I'm sure someone can correct me. And no one compared a foetus to an arse pimple except yourself, but perhaps you just meant some women are the equivalent in your opinion.

This is an obvious deflection tactic by you - from analogy you make a broad generalisation about me and my attitudes to women.
The truth is that is that a cohort who voted yes view it as that.
OK, some may not see it like a pimple on the @rse.
Some may view it like going to the dentist and reading a magizine while waiting , to get that bothersome tooth out.
There may be some bleeding.....

Nearly every country in Europe has had legalised abortion for over 10 years and none of them regret it apart from maybe their equivalent of the Iona or the National Party, why do you think Ireland would be any different?

So NOBODY regrets voting for it out of 500m people?

And NOBODY regrets having abortions?
I know somone worked out the odds of Ryan-airs random seating policy
I wonder what they would make of those no regret odds?

Would ya come off it.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I'm not sure you're helping your own argument here. If you go a few months earlier again, you can masturbate into a sock and end a fair few potential lives before they even have a chance. Sounds like an absurd irrelevance, sure, but it's the logical conclusion of your "few months of a difference" argument.

Ridiculous and you know it.
Jip in a sock is not a full human life-form.
I clearly mentioned lifeform.

You're working from the false premise that people are having abortions on a whim here. I'm sure the vast majority of people having an abortion decide on that course of action with great difficulty.

That's what will end up happening.

Some women are not as sensible as others

Has it occurred to you that plenty of people have had both abortions and miscarriages? The issue isn't as black and white as you're making out.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

See below:

Big red letters don't make facts or a convincing argument and make people not read what you wrote, that's why we were told in school never to use red pen.

You said that you want to protect the foetus, after birth the woman can have control, hence you want to control women in relation to their pregnancies, actually read what your writing, going on about nature isn't a counter argument.

You need to apologise to everyone on the thread that you insulted with your pimple remark otherwise get off your high horse.

If your going to make generalised statements about who voted yes and how Ireland will feel in 10+ years post facts about how the rest of Europe feels the same now given the majority of the countries that make up Europe have had legal abortion for over ten years, as studies show the majority of women do not regret having an abortion.

A baby has hands feet primitive neural pathways and even forms nails, thier limbs can bend at 10 weeks....

And I am the one who is controlling apparently?

To hard to wait 30 weeks and give the child away in EVERY to someone who wants it?

Really?

Seriously?

Blue this time.

DubInMeath wrote: »

You need to apologise to everyone on the thread that you insulted with your pimple remark otherwise get off your high horse.

Why because it is too close to the bone of what an inconvenience it is for some women?

If your going to make generalised statements about who voted yes and how Ireland will feel in 10+ years post facts about how the rest of Europe feels the same now given the majority of the countries that make up Europe have had legal abortion for over ten years, as studies show the majority of women do not regret having an abortion

it is the majority now is it?
I thought it was none a few posts back?

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I noticed none of the Yes posters had a of a baby on it not one...

It was all MY, MY, MY muscular female arms and saint like pictures of Savita.

Baby was never mentioned on the yes posters....

MY was never mentioned on the no....

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Blue this time.

Well as a bloke I can't answer for women, but it shows you have an issue with women, but hey your earlier posts already demonstrated that.

Don't think anyone said that no one regrets having an abortion, but I'm sure you can link to the post you mention.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I noticed none of the Yes posters had a of a baby on it not one...

It was all MY, MY, MY muscular female arms and saint like pictures of Savita.

Baby was never mentioned on the yes posters....

MY was never mentioned on the no....

Actually your wrong again, your getting to have a habit of being wrong.

Also reads like your starting to foam at the mouth.

retro:electro

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I noticed none of the Yes posters had a of a baby on it not one...

It was all MY, MY, MY muscular female arms and saint like pictures of Savita.

Baby was never mentioned on the yes posters....

MY was never mentioned on the no....

What are you even talking about at this point? You’ve made all of these points before. You’re bringing nothing new to the table. Please go away and play on Microsoft paint. They have lots of colours there for you to choose from. Your posts are a pimple on the arse of this thread

DubInMeath wrote: »

Well as a bloke I can't answer for women, but it shows you have an issue with women, but hey your earlier posts already demonstrated that.

Don't think anyone said that no one regrets having an abortion, but I'm sure you can link to the post you mention.

You said it yourself on this page!

So as a deflection tactic you now claim I have an issue with women

So what about a woman who voted no does she have an issue with women too?

retro:electro wrote: »

What are you even talking about at this point? You’ve made all of these points before. You’re bringing nothing new to the table. Please go away and play on Microsoft paint. They have lots of colours there for you to choose from. Your posts are a pimple on the arse of this thread

It's basic html.

Can you not see the striking difference in emphaise.
One is worried about a lifeform

The the is worried about MY?

Some of the yes side remind me of the Toddlers creed:

“If I want it, it’s mine.
If I give it to you & I change my mind later, it’s mine.
If I can take it away from you, it’s mine.
If I had it a little while ago, it’s mine.
If it’s mine, it will never belong to anybody else, no matter what.
If we are building something together, all the pieces are mine.
If it looks like mine, it is mine.

rainbow kirby

Women matter. We are more than incubators and we are not brood mares for the infertile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tja3CkGqoYg

Overheal wrote: »

I'm going to do a transcript of this. Stand. By. World.

Kay Burley (KB), Sky News
Sarah Louise Mulligan (SLM), CEO of IrishWhoLovePresidentTrump.com
Colm O'Gorman (CG), Executive Director of Amnesty International Ireland

KB: (introduces both persons by full name and organization). Ladies first - make your case.

SLM: Ahm, well my name is Sarah Louise Mulligan, I'm an Irish citizen I'm very proud to be, ahm, first of all we must realize that if abortion is legalized in Ireland, ahm, it's gonna have detrimental effects on Irish women? [sic] 97% of babies who are aborted, has been proven [sic] insassistics [sic] as discussed on RTE - ahm, I think this will be detrimental if it's brought into my country, ah our country is extremely conservative? We're known to be a country of baby lovers not baby killers.

KB: Extremely conservative?

SLM: Yeah! We are extremely conservative

KB: Again, first country i-in in the world to accept gay marriage?

SLM: Yes!

KB: Accept divorce even though you're a Catholic country?

SLM: Yeah, so I actually voted for gay marriage myself, so you know..

KB: Not that conservative, then?

SLM: .... ahh well, I I - do think Ireland - is still very traditional and very conservative and I do believe the Vote No will win, because there's obviously still a lot of, religious people here who are you know, elderly people who will..

KB: Okay... is it a matter of religion, Colm?

CG: No, not at all it's a human rights issue but I mean critically what we need to acknowledge is that abortion bans like the 8th amendment don't stop abortions. As we're standing here today another 9 or 10 Irish women and girls are getting on Ryanair flights to England to access, abortion care in another country - in your country. Another 3 to 5 are importing abortion pills and using them at home without medical supervision, illegally, facing a possible 14 yr prison sentence if they are prosecuted for doing so; so, the 8th amendment doesn't stop abortions, all it does is it forces women and girls in having less safe abortions. So, I mean well over 170,000 Irish women and girls have traveled to England and Wales over the last number of decades to access abortion care there, and whether a woman is- whether a woman is pregnant as result of rape or incest - whether a child is pregnant - whether a pregnancy is a risk to her health, whether the pregnancy has a diagnosis of a fatal fetal abnormality: under Irish law, that woman can not terminate that pregnancy and if she does -

KB: But in these hard cases -

CG: - She and the doctor who've done so have committed a serious -

KB: 14 years

CG: - criminal offense.

KB: We know, but do these hard cases justify relaxing the law for everyone?

CG: Well I mean, first of all, this notion of 'hard cases' has been pulled in by the other side in this debate as if somehow - A-ahm, abortion isn't always a difficult decision for a woman to make. A woman who chooses to end her pregnancy has always got a reason for doing so! The idea that she should have to be dragged through some validation process to justify her decision, the idea that women have to experience appalling trauma and suffering in order to -t-to be able to decide whether or not they should continue with a pregnancy - that is a crisis pregnancy for them and their families for whatever reasons - is obscene! That's why this is a human rights issue.

SLM: Okay, my background is in psychology and, ye know, women are 6 times more likely to commit suicide. I actually have friends in -

KB: - what what, okay: generally, you mean?

SLM: Sorry?

KB: Generally, you mean?

SLM: Yes they are: 6 more times likely to commit suicide.

KB: Okay. - what does that have to do with, being pregnant?

SLM: ..Well I mean it's the trauma of having an abortion that's why I don't want to see abortion being legalized here.

CG: Actually there is a link, A-ahm, between pregnancy and suicide and mental health, and the maternal -

SLM: I'm glad you agree with me there!

CG: - The maternal - I do indeed

SLM: Thank you

CG: - the maternal death study here in Ireland found that suicide is the most significant cause of death of women pre-natally or post-natally in ireland

SLM:

CG: So suicide, mental health, impacts negativehamellatalhealthiccamps [sic] [negative mental health outcomes?] are absolutely linked to pregnancy here in Ireland -

KB: But that amendment was added to the constitution wasn't it, so that if women are likely to commit suicide, they can then legally have an abortion?

CG: Yeah. And and there's a process they have to go through where they may have to go before 7 different groups of professionals, to a series of appeal panels, if they want to be able to access a legal abortion onto those grounds here, in Ireland. And the No Side to this campaign :rolleyes: violently resisted the idea that abortion should be available to a woman whose life was at risk because of suicide. And just recently in our parliamentary process, where this referendum a-a-ahm, was recommended, you had one of the leading politicians on one of the leading lights [sic] of the No campaign trying to further restrict the law, so that women whose lives are at risk because of suicide would no longer be able to access a legal termination in Ireland - thats the harsh, cruel thinking behind the No campaign.

SLM: Okay, the harsh cruel thinking behind the No campaign is, that, 97% of babies in the UK who are healthy are actually aborted. We don't want to -

CG: But - that's nonsense

SLM: We - we, well - that's the truth

KB: What are you basing that on?

CG: That's nonsense. You're saying only 3% of pregnancies in the UK end in a live birth??

SLM: ..at the end of the day, we do not want a liveral [sic] regime of abortion -

KB: And where do these figures come from?

SLM: Well Mary Butler was on RTE and and she actually stated that, so -

CG: it's not true - I mean it's patently obvious that 97% of pregnancies in the UK do not end in abortion; that's just nonsense.

SLM: Okay if we look at ahm women hurt? [sic] Like, this was a campaign and an agency settle [??] for women who are have had their lives destroyed because they've had abortion. You know, this is set up to help women go through a whole psychological process of killing their child -

CG: :rolleyes:

SLM: you know what I mean - it has devastating impact on a women's well being and they deeply regret - I have never ever met a woman who has regretted having a child but she has regrets having an abortion. We do not want this - Hitler regime

CG:

SLM: of abortion and it's a money-making - ahm, thing, as well -

KB: Strong words, "Hitler Regime."

CG: So - so first of all 3% of women who terminate their pregnancies regret their decision. And we don't generally outlaw and make illegal - for everybody - any decision on the basis that somebody might regret it. And where women do regret that decision they need, and are entitled to, and should get every possible support to help them address it but the overwhelming

SLM:

CG: - the overwhelming majority of women who choose to end a pregnancy describe feelings of relief and -

SLM: No!

CG: And well being following the

SLM: Joe, no no, heh ehh :rolleyes: no

CG: termination of pregnancy and that's in every single meta-analysis that's been done.

SLM: no :rolleyes:

CG: Abortion regret - we all we all regret decisions that we make and choosing to end the pregnancy is a significant decision. The problem that we have here in Ireland is if a woman chooses no to continue with the pregnancy - she doesn't have time to think about and reflect and discuss that decision with her doctor.

SLM: [indescribable series of facial expressions]

CG: She doesn't even necessarily have time to discuss it with the people she loves and knows in her life because of the shame and the stigma that's attached to the issue; instead she has to eh she has to find eh eh eh planes tickets she has to navigate childcare she has to navigate the access to the UK health system in order to have a termination and that's completely unjust!

SLM: Okay, Call Ahm, I have pursennel friends that have had abortions. Now, because I have a background in psychology, they speak to me, and they are suicidal at this moment in time because they've had abortions if they could turn back time they wouldn't have had an abortion. So everything you're saying there is not true. [????????]

CG: Well we dont - we dont see, we don't outlaw eh decision making for a whole group of the population because a small minority of people might end up regretting a decision.

SLM: It's not a small minority! I'm sorry

CG: And I'm not - hang on now - I'm not minimizing the impact of that on those individual women what I'm saying is that is they deserve every possible support - but 97% of women the overwhelming majority of people who have abortions expressed feelings of relief and believe that the decision was right for them.

SLM: Woman shouldn't

CG: This is about - this is about - this is

SLM: have to have an abortion!

CG: I agree, we should avoid

SLM: They shouldn't have to!

CG: We should avoid crisis pregnancies!

SLM: Yeah exactly!

CG: Which is why part of the package of -

SLM: but Leo Leo Varadkar -

CG: Which is why part of the package of solutions that are being put in by government here are better sex education -

SLM: Lee Leo Varadkar

CG: Access to contraception,

SLM: Doesn't believe

CG: The leading lights of the No campaign have resisted for decades in this country and still are!

SLM: Leo Varadkar doesn't believe, that, a woman and a child are two patients. He just believes

CG: No, he didn't say that.

SLM: Yes he did say it.

CG: He didn't though.

SLM: He did.

CG: No, no.

SLM: He says he just looks at the woman and he ignores the unborn child inside -

CG: No. What he - what he - what he said was, and I don't often find myself defending our Prime Minister, or our leaders of our political parties

SLM: Yeah, right!

CG: But he doesn't believe that from the point of conception the unborn are entitled to the same rights, and have the same value and that's an awful phrase to have to use

SLM: Oh it is! Yes exactly!

CG: the same value as his

SLM: It's extremely awful!

CG: As his born sister! The idea that a-a-a-a-a an embryo from the moment of conception has equal rights and equal value as a born woman has caused catastophic harm

SLM: Okay! Okay. You advocate

CG: to thousands of women in this country

SLM: You advocate for Human rights.

CG: Yeah.

SLM: But you ignore the human right of an unborn -

CG: No.

SLM: Child.

CG: No.

SLM: Yes you do!

CG: No I don't.

SLM: You do!

CG: No I don't.

SLM: ... you want to murder an unborn child

CG: Oh, dear heavens, well I mean if the debate,

SLM: that is so innocent it has never sinned in its life

CG: well if the debate

SLM: And you want it

CG: If the debate

SLM: - a healthy child

CG: Lucy, if the debate is going to descend to references

SLM: To be bo- Actually my name is Sarah Louise.

CG: Sorry, Sarah Louise, I have never met you before so I don't know you.

SLM: I did quite say hello to ye.

CG: If the debate is going to descend to references to Hitler, a-aa-a-and to murder

SLM: Oh it's a Hitler regime! Definitely.

CG: I think we're finished.

KB: Still ha - she still has her point of view,

CG: She does, but I think references

KB: and she is perfectly entitled to her views,

CG: she is perfectly entitled to her views, but there are

KB: Colm, just because she's using phraseology you don't appreciate or accept

CG: but there are

KB: does not mean that she's not entitled to use it.

CG: But there are women out there watching this show, who have gone through very difficult decisions in order to their pregnancies; there are women who have ended much wanted pregnancies because of a diagnoses of fatal fetal abnormality, and I'm sorry but I won't stand by

SLM: sometimes

CG: I wont

SLM: the doctors

CG: I wont

SLM: get it wrong!

CG: I wont stand by and seeing thos- see those women being described as murderers.

SLM: So you

CG: I don't

SLM: think all Down Syndrome children should be murdered? [???????????]

CG: I don't think that's acceptable language, I think it's obscene language, and I think it needs to be called out.

KB: Sarah just made a point -

SLM: Ohhhh my gawd

KB: Sarah just make your point again, about Down Syndrome?

SLM: Down Syndrome children! Do you know that in the UK 90% of Down Syndrome children are aborted?

CG: No.

SLM: Yes!

CG: No.

SLM: Yes they are, Colm!

CG: So, so in the UK - you're very light on facts in this,

SLM: mmmhhhmhhmhmh - yeah right.

CG: in the UK, 90% of pregnancies where there is a final diagnosis of Down Syndrome are indeed terminated, right?

SLM: Mmmhm~!

CG: My point would be, that you want a regime that forces Irish women and girls to travel to the UK whose laws

SLM: Nobody's forcing women to travel

CG: Whose laws

SLM: to the UK

CG: you seem to-

KB: They have no choice but to travel to the UK.

CG: be between horrendous [?] you want to retain a legal order in Ireland that does not allow us to put in place our legal regime here - and for the avoidance of any doubt for viewers, abortion on the basis of disability is expressly prohibited under the laws

SLM: in Portugal,

CG: In the laws that the government are proposing.

SLM: In Portugal, abortion is used as a form of contraception!

CG: Oh dear God

SLM: Yes!

KB: But we're not- we're not in... we're not...

SLM: I know but we have to go by these statistics!

KB:

... fascinating debate, I'm terribly sorry but we have to leave it there.

SLM: That's okay.

KB: Thank you both very much indeed for joining us on Sky News Sunrise this morning [...]

rainbow kirby wrote: »

Women matter. We are more than incubators and we are not brood mares for the infertile.

I thought mods are neutral?

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I thought mods are neutral?

Not at all. Never been a policy on this site. And most certainly at any rate not in forums we don't moderate in.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

You literally said a few posts ago "some women are less sensible than others" in an attempt to imply these less sensible women would have abortions on a whim. It's hard to highlight thanks to your bastardisation of the quote feature, but it's there for anyone to see.

So you think that won't happen?
I do.

Whatever about those who voted no in general, it's clear that you personally have an issue with women.

Same unfounded generalisation again when you run of arguments.
Interesting...

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

Can you sit through it long enough to do that? Or can you do that thing I have failed spectacularly to do, and managed to extract subtitles directly? I have seen two websites that explain how to do it, and it never works for me.

I needed the exercise. Good typing flex, given I've gone stupid and agreed to go back for my Masters.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

You said it yourself on this page!

So as a deflection tactic you now claim I have an issue with women

So what about a woman who voted no does she have an issue with women too?

No point out where I said that. I asked you to provide evidence that countries regretted legalising abortion, as you claimed Ireland would in 10+ years. Again talking about countries as you mentioned, not individuals.

Edit: Don't bother here is the actual post

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=107144437&postcount=4925

Deflection tatic, no just your obvious opinion.

Regarding some women who voted yes having an issue with women, I'm sure some do have issues with women who voted yes, Graces7 would be an example, I can think of one other poster who says their female from other threads who would but they haven't bothered to post here yet.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Because it is a clear life and death issue?

So are deaths from alcohol? reminder, I'm only trying to discern your own logic against why one social issue should be in the constitution and not the other, having made the remark that social issues should be legislated in the constitution.

Overheal wrote: »

Not at all. Never been a policy on this site. And most certainly at any rate not in forums we don't moderate in.

I didn't realise that I thought you were like refs.

Obviously more facilitators /ocassional commentators.

It might be a good idea to get diametrically apposed mods to mod a thread in the interests of fairness in that case?

Just an idea.

Maybe that is not possible in all cases giving nature of boards.ie as a like-minded company.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I didn't realise that I thought you were like refs.

Obviously more facilitators /ocassional commentors.

It might be a good idea to get diametrically apposed mods to mod a thread in the interests of fairness in that case?

Just an idea.

Maybe that is not possible in all cases giving nature of boards.ie as a like-minded company.

How many years of this website did you miss exactly?

Boards.ie is all like minded company.

I've read that a lot from some posters in these threads, but their quite happy posting in the latest threads about evil imigrants or feminists with people of similar views for the main.

If Boards is such a leftie liberal site as they claim and give out about, why stay?

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Could you try to put less effort into colouring your responses and more into quoting them properly? I can only quote half of your reply to me this way.

Reposted for the people in the back.