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Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

Ozymandius2011

This is for people who have already voted in the referendum. How did you vote? I voted yes.

Mod: This thread is little more than a survey about how you voted. Please don't the ins and outs of abortion.

Mod: This is not a reiteration of the previous 8th threads. If you were threadbanned from those, you are not threadbanned here.

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c68zapdsm5i1ru

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

pretty much all of yours.

Well, I don't agree with most of your opinions either. But fortunately for you, I've been far more mannerly on this and the previous thread than you have been. Basically because I've viewed it as a debate about an important issue, and not some kind of childish point scoring exercise.

There have been so many Yes voters on here who discussed, listened, disagreed politely, were informative and interesting. Sadly, you were not one of them.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

If you feel so strongly about illegal voting, perhaps you should open a thread on it. It's completely irrelevant to the doscussion here, as it had no bearing whatsoever on the outcome of the referendum.

As I said, that discussion was ongoing and I simply joined in.

facehugger99

kunst nugget wrote: »

I think we need to reform the electoral process and look at maybe giving a postal vote for ex-pats who want to be involved in voting in the country of their birth.

If you're not living here, paying taxes or subject to our legislation, you most certainly shouldn't be getting a say in how the country is governed or how the constitution is amended.

I find the idea of giving people a voice, when they are not subject to the consequences, deeply troubling.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

robarmstrong wrote: »

YES won, NO didn't, that is a valid result and if you don't like it, tough.

Wow!

That doesn't even make sense.

Anyhow, back to work.

Cupcake_Crisis

Lets assume that everyone who came home to vote voted no- it still would have been a yes victory. That’s how big the difference was.

Christ, what stick would you beat it with then?

nozzferrahhtoo

facehugger99 wrote: »

I find the idea of giving people a voice, when they are not subject to the consequences, deeply troubling.

I better stop campaigning on rights and issues related to animals, minorities, the homeless, women, children, students, homosexuals, sex workers and more then. Given I am none of these things and am not likely to be.

facehugger99

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

I better stop campaigning on rights and issues related to animals, minorities, the homeless, women, children, students, homosexuals, sex workers and more then. Given I am none of these things and am not likely to be.

False equivalence but wonderful virtue-signaling nonetheless.

robarmstrong

Mavis Some Insignia wrote: »

That doesn't even make sense.

Anyhow, back to work.

How does the NO side losing the campaign not make sense?

Must be still traumatized at all these "healthy babies being aborted by healthy mothers" sweeping statement you made in the previous thread about, yano, the thread where you dodged being put on the spot by me here - https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=107066141&postcount=1480

kunst nugget

facehugger99 wrote: »

If you're not living here, paying taxes or subject to our legislation, you most certainly shouldn't be getting a say in how the country is governed or how the constitution is amended.

I find the idea of giving people a voice, when they are not subject to the consequences, deeply troubling.

The UK and US both allow voting from their citizens living abroad for a certain period (up to 15 years for the UK) as long as you remain a citizen. I'd have no issue with that sort of system and it would be better than the wishy washy system in place at the moment.

nozzferrahhtoo

facehugger99 wrote: »

False equivalence but wonderful virtue-signaling nonetheless.

Except it is neither of those two things. You said you were disturbed by people having a voice on issues that do not affect them. They are all issues that do not affect me. Yet I both have and use my voice in relation to them.

So I am not seeing your problem really. Nor are buzz word dodges likely to explain it to me.

Trasna1

robarmstrong wrote: »

YES won, NO didn't, that is a valid result and if you don't like it, tough.

Wow!

No one is questioning the validity of the result. There was not voter fraud an a monumental scale that would invalidate it.

But there was some voter fraud, hometovote was a large part of that. It is not sour grapes to point this out.

Had the vote been close, where home to vote led to the vote being challenged, I wonder what you'd think of them them. Abuse is easy to ignore when it helps your cause.

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nozzferrahhtoo

Trasna1 wrote: »

But there was some voter fraud, hometovote was a large part of that.

To validly make this claim you would need two pieces of data, neither of which I suspect you of actually having. Namely 1) How many people returned home and actually voted illegally and 2) How many of them would have done so anyway with or without the specific "hometovote" movement.

Without those two pieces of data, you are left merely making assumptions.

robarmstrong

I was going to answer you Trasna but Nozz and ...... have pretty much written what I was about to say, sorry.

Justin Credible Darts

It still makes me smile seeing the anger, bitterness and seething by the no brigade who cannot accept what the people of Ireland wanted and voted for.

Their actions since has only reinforced my opinion that the mentality among a lot of the no voters is gladly something that is dying out, specifically since most of those hard line bitter ones are the old and brainwashed.

Fighting Tao

Trasna1 wrote: »

No one is questioning the validity of the result. There was not voter fraud an a monumental scale that would invalidate it.

But there was some voter fraud, hometovote was a large part of that. It is not sour grapes to point this out.

Had the vote been close, where home to vote led to the vote being challenged, I wonder what you'd think of them them. Abuse is easy to ignore when it helps your cause.

There were organised home to votes from the No side too. https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/abortion-referendum/i-would-walk-home-from-timbuktu-to-vote-meet-the-young-people-who-are-travelling-hometovote-36920920.html You may want to cast aspersions to the No side too!

The Legend Of Kira

DubInMeath wrote: »

Is this the same survey the pro life campaign organised and published the results of on their site also, or a different survey?

Its a different survey altogether to the ones on pro life websites (life institute ) in the past, these are some surveys the (life institute ) carried out.

http://www.thelifeinstitute.net/am_cms_media/uploaded/l/0e3243629_1401101891_localelectioncandidate-list.pdf

http://www.thelifeinstitute.net/past-projects/be-the-change-vote-pro-life/candidates-europe/

The whichcandidate.ie online survey website was mentioned in different media outlets prior to the last general election including the irish times .

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/compare-your-views-with-500-candidates-1.2523156?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fcompare-your-views-with-500-candidates-1.2523156

Trasna1

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I find that hard to believe. When the IT did a piece on h2v, they found one person for no, vs 5 (iirc) for repeal. It's pretty clear from media coverage that h2v was a yes movement. It's not even credible to argue otherwise. Unless of course the media was biased. We even have one yes voter here that openly admits to committing electoral fraud.

That said It ultimately had no material impact on the result. You never answered the question though: what would you think of hometovote if it has led to a court challenge, invalidating a yes result? If it was as close as divorce that's exactly the kind of mess we would be facing.

Hometovote, for whatever cause, referendums and elections needs to be stamped out.

spookwoman

kylith wrote: »

Except, per your next sentence; fingerprints, fingernail, the ability to open and close it’s mouth, and the ability to decide to move.

Incidentally, you can also add ‘the ability to open its eyes, a brain that is connected to its nervous system, nerves capable of transmitting impulses, ears that are on the sides of its head, and any functioning organs at all.’

Mary is what I regard as a batsh*t crazy prolifer

Wrongway1985

facehugger99 wrote: »

If you're not living here, paying taxes or subject to our legislation, you most certainly shouldn't be getting a say in how the country is governed or how the constitution is amended.

I find the idea of giving people a voice, when they are not subject to the consequences, deeply troubling.

My Brother and his girlfriend went to Oz for 4 years they are returning soon prior to leaving they had combined over 30 years of paying into our system. Upon return They are entitled to f all. In comparison there are people who have been on the dole for years and years!

Fighting Tao

Trasna1 wrote: »

I find that hard to believe. When the IT did a piece on h2v, they found one person for no, vs 5 (iirc) for repeal. It's pretty clear from media coverage that h2v was a yes movement. It's not even credible to argue otherwise. Unless of course the media was biased. We even have one yes voter here that openly admits to committing electoral fraud.

That said It ultimately had no material impact on the result. You never answered the question though: what would you think of hometovote if it has led to a court challenge, invalidating a yes result? If it was as close as divorce that's exactly the kind of mess we would be facing.

Hometovote, for whatever cause, referendums and elections needs to be stamped out.

So 4 volunteered to talk from the Yes side and 1 from the No side. Hmm.....

Cupcake_Crisis

Trasna1 wrote: »

I find that hard to believe. When the IT did a piece on h2v, they found one person for no, vs 5 (iirc) for repeal. It's pretty clear from media coverage that h2v was a yes movement. It's not even credible to argue otherwise. Unless of course the media was biased. We even have one yes voter here that openly admits to committing electoral fraud.

That said It ultimately had no material impact on the result. You never answered the question though: what would you think of hometovote if it has led to a court challenge, invalidating a yes result? If it was as close as divorce that's exactly the kind of mess we would be facing.

Hometovote, for whatever cause, referendums and elections needs to be stamped out.

You can’t try to discredit the home to vote campaign JUST because there were more people coming home to vote yes! That’s ridiculous!

_Dara_

Trasna1 wrote: »

I find that hard to believe. When the IT did a piece on h2v, they found one person for no, vs 5 (iirc) for repeal. It's pretty clear from media coverage that h2v was a yes movement. It's not even credible to argue otherwise. Unless of course the media was biased. We even have one yes voter here that openly admits to committing electoral fraud.

That said It ultimately had no material impact on the result. You never answered the question though: what would you think of hometovote if it has led to a court challenge, invalidating a yes result? If it was as close as divorce that's exactly the kind of mess we would be facing.

Hometovote, for whatever cause, referendums and elections needs to be stamped out.

Well, believe it. Not only were returning no voters featured on social media but conventional media too. I saw some interviewed on both RTÉ and BBC.

Billy86

When they were doing coverage of people coming home on the day of the vote, I saw numerous 'no' badges and t-shirts amongst them.

More would have been home to vote yes because more were voting yes in general, and also because those living abroad are largely in their 20s and 30s which is a demographic that voted 'yes' overwhelmingly.

Trasna1

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

Lets assume that everyone who came home to vote voted no- it still would have been a yes victory. That’s how big the difference was.

Christ, what stick would you beat it with then?

Let's say the above happened and the result was 49/51 to the no side. Would you be happy?

No one is beating the yes victory with the home to vote stick. It had no material impact on the eventual emphatic result. The problem is that it could have. My problem is that we are seemingly happy to let people run roughshod over the rules as long as they are on our side. I'm not though, I believe the integrity of the vote is worth far more than the result.

And when it's an issue you care a lot about that's on a knife edge, you might understand why.

Cupcake_Crisis

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

The real issue is young people voting. We need to stop these pesky young people voting, they're far too liberal for their own good.

I’m still young!! Kinda...

Odhinn

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

The real issue is young people voting. We need to stop these pesky young people voting, they're far too liberal for their own good.

..and too young and lively, with the smiley young faces on them.

Cupcake_Crisis

Trasna1 wrote: »

Let's say the above happened and the result was 49/51 to the no side. Would you be happy?

No one is beating the yes victory with the home to vote stick. It had no material impact on the eventual emphatic result. The problem is that it could have. My problem is that we are seemingly happy to let people run roughshod over the rules as long as they are on our side. I'm not though, I believe the integrity of the vote is worth far more than the result.

And when it's an issue you care a lot about that's on a knife edge, you might understand why.

No, I wouldn’t be happy, obviously. Would I be online bickering and trying to devalue something that’s extremely important, absolutely not. The fact is that yes won by such a margin that there was nothing the no side could have done. It was never on a knife edge, the yes was emphatic.

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spookwoman

Mavis Some Insignia wrote: »

Lots of emigrants received voting cards even though the 18 month time limit had lapsed. Any of those who went ahead and voted, did so illegally.

that's some sweeping statement! I suggest if you have proof then go to the police.