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Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

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The seat map for the B767-200 being leased by EI next year are available on the Aer Lingus website, the seating is 2,3,2 in economy (As was suspected) and 2,2,2 in business

There are 189 economy seats and 12 Business seats making a total of the reported 201 seats.

Anyone know whether the B767 will be repainted, partially or entirely, in the EI colours for the 6 months that its leased for?

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kevinandrew

Missing a winglet by the looks of it. I'm guessing it will be without the winglet for a few weeks until a replacement can be fitted?

Bussywussy

kevinandrew wrote: »

Missing a winglet by the looks of it. I'm guessing it will be without the winglet for a few weeks until a replacement can be fitted?

Wont be weeks,itll prob be fitted tomorrow

joeysoap

kevinandrew wrote: »

Missing a winglet by the looks of it. I'm guessing it will be without the winglet for a few weeks until a replacement can be fitted?

Winglet only to save fuel or has it another purpose?

Obviously ok, but my fear was the bump could have put put a strain on where the wings are attached to the airplane. Tractor driver must have stopped immediately on impact.

Cloudio9

I wonder if the crew announced it to passengers because if I was looking out the window I'd be pinging the bell to tell them part of the plane was missing.

billy few mates

Do they only have to remove the damaged one to dispatch or do both have to be removed..?

alancostello

It can operate with one with the following penalties:

Take off and approach climb performance limiting weights are reduced by 17150kgs

One engine inoperative net ceiling reduced by 884ft

Fuel consumption increased by 1.20%

EchoIndia

billy few mates wrote: »

Do they only have to remove the damaged one to dispatch or do both have to be removed..?

The other winglet was not removed.

keroseneboy

A member of cabin crew mentioned to me on my way back from Nice last week that there was a suggestion that Aee Lingus might use an A330 on the Dublin Nice route this summer 2018.

I seem to remember them doing this in 2006.

Sign of the times?

Bussywussy

No.theres no space in the schedule I'd say..these rumours pop up all the time nice,Rome,lhr etc

basill

Heard Lisbon mentioned a while back. Problem is that we are short of engineers (and pilots for that matter) and as I understand it until we get some more and stem the exodus of those leaving then the maths doesn't work and the IAA won't allow it.

Bussywussy

basill wrote: »

Heard Lisbon mentioned a while back. Problem is that we are short of engineers (and pilots for that matter) and as I understand it until we get some more and stem the exodus of those leaving then the maths doesn't work and the IAA won't allow it.

Amazing how a company can be so badly mismanaged that this is happening, it's pure greed and penny pinching

[Deleted User]

Bussywussy wrote: »

Amazing how a company can be so badly mismanaged that this is happening, it's pure greed and penny pinching

It’s what happens when you let people in offices with spreadsheets and formulas decide your staffing levels and requirements who are driven by budgets and bonuses.

California Dreamer

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s what happens when you let people in offices with spreadsheets and formulas decide your staffing levels and requirements who are driven by budgets and bonuses.

And what every company big or small will do no matter what. Its happened since the invention of the wheel!

Bussywussy

California Dreamer wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s what happens when you let people in offices with spreadsheets and formulas decide your staffing levels and requirements who are driven by budgets and bonuses.

And what every company big or small will do no matter what. Its happened since the invention of the wheel!

Well in aviation if bean counters cut back on essential staff and investment in employees then safety is compromised, simple as. No fancy graph on an IPad in somebody's office will work to fix that.

J.pilkington

Bussywussy wrote: »

Well in aviation if bean counters cut back on essential staff and investment in employees then safety is compromised, simple as. No fancy graph on an IPad in somebody's office will work to fix that.

And if a food factory decide to replace flour with anthrax because the accountants say it’s cheaper then safety is compromised, simple as.

And if a bus company decide to replace disc brakes with a Fred flint stone braking system then safety is compromised, simple as.

What a silly conversation

J.pilkington

Kcormahs wrote: »

Or maybe they could park some aircrafts overnight abroad in other european cities like Paris Amesterdam Rome? That already happens in LHR at least 2 aircrafts stay there for the night

You will then have the headache of overnighting crews and the associated risk of cancellations should anything happpen the crew (eg illness) as unlikely to have backups.

It does however open the door to filtering more US transit via Dublin as the flights would sync with the departures to the US, however the airports you mention are already well served by direct flights so there would need to be a good saving to ebtice passengers to add an extra leg and many hours to their journey

Bussywussy

J.pilkington wrote: »

Bussywussy wrote: »

Well in aviation if bean counters cut back on essential staff and investment in employees then safety is compromised, simple as. No fancy graph on an IPad in somebody's office will work to fix that.

And if a food factory decide to replace flour with anthrax because the accountants say it’s cheaper then safety is compromised, simple as.

And if a bus company decide to replace disc brakes with a Fred flint stone braking system then safety is compromised, simple as.

What a silly conversation

And what if you put skydrol into the fuel tanks etc etc etc
What if you employed non pilots to fly planes etc etc etc

But you are making silly comparisons.... simply put there is a very serious staffing issue....

TomOnBoard

What's the significance of using an A330?

Kcormahs

J.pilkington wrote: »

Kcormahs wrote: »

Or maybe they could park some aircrafts overnight abroad in other european cities like Paris Amesterdam Rome? That already happens in LHR at least 2 aircrafts stay there for the night

You will then have the headache of overnighting crews and the associated risk of cancellations should anything happpen the crew (eg illness) as unlikely to have backups.

It does however open the door to filtering more US transit via Dublin as the flights would sync with the departures to the US, however the airports you mention are already well served by direct flights so there would need to be a good saving to ebtice passengers to add an extra leg and many hours to their journey

As fair as I know the two 320s that overnight in LHR have been there for a few years now and they never really scrapped these layovers to the crew so the operationg may work well. I don’t know if EI has any plans of overnighiting more aircrafts abroad soon though. Although the stands in DUB are very limited at the moment, with the southgates etc they may be able to squeez in more acs and slot times. Havent heard of any plan to overnight ac abroad soon anyway

0lddog

Bussywussy wrote: »

Amazing how a company can be so badly mismanaged that this is happening, it's pure greed and penny pinching

Time, once again, to call ASL

[Deleted User]

J.pilkington wrote: »

And if a food factory decide to replace flour with anthrax because the accountants say it’s cheaper then safety is compromised, simple as.

And if a bus company decide to replace disc brakes with a Fred flint stone braking system then safety is compromised, simple as.

What a silly conversation

Is that even a serious point ?

[Deleted User]

There’s close enough to 20+ stands in the planning pipeline to come on stream over the next few years. 5H=11/12, 5 extra south apron for up to A321, realigning stands 101-104 to make them useable on a daily basis. There may be be no need to outstation more aircraft but it certainly makes some sense.

Locker10a

J.pilkington wrote: »

Kcormahs wrote: »

Or maybe they could park some aircrafts overnight abroad in other european cities like Paris Amesterdam Rome? That already happens in LHR at least 2 aircrafts stay there for the night

You will then have the headache of overnighting crews and the associated risk of cancellations should anything happpen the crew (eg illness) as unlikely to have backups.

It does however open the door to filtering more US transit via Dublin as the flights would sync with the departures to the US, however the airports you mention are already well served by direct flights so there would need to be a good saving to ebtice passengers to add an extra leg and many hours to their journey

Pretty much every airline in Europe overnight their crew on euro flights except for Ryanair, it’s really common and can’t be that much of an operational headache or else so it wouldn’t be so common

J.pilkington

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is that even a serious point ?

It’s as serious as the usual suggestion / lame joke that “bean counters” are making the decisions in IAG / Aer Lingus. Go check out the bio of the leadership team who are either pilots / industry veterans, they are the ones running multi billion revenue airlines not speculating on the internet.

IAG’s core responsible is to its shareholders (both short and long term growth), suggesting that safety would be compromised to achieve this because a “fancy graph” says 1 / 0 is daft. The industry is buoyant at the moment, skilled staff are in shortage with every airline / engineering firm

MICKEYG

I have been looking at the EI flights for the last few days and the pattern is that they are mostly late, certainly the afternoon ones.
Anyone know the reason?
Also, there were two flights from SFO Saturday night (maybe Friday). Any idea why? There were two a few days previously due to the incident with the wing tip. Was there another incident.

Bussywussy

J.pilkington wrote: »

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is that even a serious point ?

Go check out the bio of the leadership team who are either pilots / industry veterans, they are the ones running multi billion revenue airlines not speculating on the internet.

The CEO and COO/CFO lol

It's far from speculation what's going on,it's fact...

Kcormahs

Locker10a wrote: »

J.pilkington wrote: »

Kcormahs wrote: »

Or maybe they could park some aircrafts overnight abroad in other european cities like Paris Amesterdam Rome? That already happens in LHR at least 2 aircrafts stay there for the night

You will then have the headache of overnighting crews and the associated risk of cancellations should anything happpen the crew (eg illness) as unlikely to have backups.

It does however open the door to filtering more US transit via Dublin as the flights would sync with the departures to the US, however the airports you mention are already well served by direct flights so there would need to be a good saving to ebtice passengers to add an extra leg and many hours to their journey

Pretty much every airline in Europe overnight their crew on euro flights except for Ryanair, it’s really common and can’t be that much of an operational headache or else so it wouldn’t be so common

That is right. Id say its more related with the cost though. And old aer lingus wouldnt be known for connections or DUB as a hub so not much of a need for earlier departure flights from european cities apart from LHR in the past

Jamie2k9

Lisbon/Nice have since been allocated A321s (x4 weekly each).

IMO when more A330 and crew are available its more likely be daily FAO and not any other routes.

[Deleted User]

J.pilkington wrote: »

It’s as serious as the usual suggestion / lame joke that “bean counters” are making the decisions in IAG / Aer Lingus. Go check out the bio of the leadership team who are either pilots / industry veterans, they are the ones running multi billion revenue airlines not speculating on the internet.

IAG’s core responsible is to its shareholders (both short and long term growth), suggesting that safety would be compromised to achieve this because a “fancy graph” says 1 / 0 is daft. The industry is buoyant at the moment, skilled staff are in shortage with every airline / engineering firm

Well I suggest we have this conversation after the summer when we will have numerous occasions when EIs Dublin operation has melted down because of not enough baggage handlers, tug drivers, engineers etc. As Bussywussy has already stated this is fact not fiction this is happening every day. Check out the forum posts over the last week or two discussing EI engineers and stop ignoring the obvious, Aer Lingus is being run on a shoestring staffing wise any Aer Lingus staff member will tell you that or you can just continue to ignore them.

billie1b

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well I suggest we have this conversation after the summer when we will have numerous occasions when EIs Dublin operation has melted down because of not enough baggage handlers, tug drivers, engineers etc. As Bussywussy has already stated this is fact not fiction this is happening every day. Check out the forum posts over the last week or two discussing EI engineers and stop ignoring the obvious, Aer Lingus is being run on a shoestring staffing wise any Aer Lingus staff member will tell you that or you can just continue to ignore them.

Menzies are in the bidding stages for EI’s ground handling at the moment, supposedly IAG are giving it big consideration