Abortion Discussion, Part Trois

end of the road wrote: »

the 12 weeks unrestricted was why i and many others voted no . no other reason.

And you lost, fair and square, so 12 weeks it shall be.

aloyisious wrote: »

would they have voted YES?

No, they would have found another excuse. The No crew on TV admitted as much - that they would oppose abortion for rape victims. They opposed PoLDPA granting abortion where the womans life is at risk.

They pretend they are only against abortion on demand and are cool with all the "hard cases", but there are specific examples of them opposing each and every hard case because it might lead to abortion on demand.

Zubeneschamali, you are free to think what you like but I can tell you that the only reason I was conflicted about was the 12 week issue. I don't agree that an ovary or semen is human life but I do believe that at least a brain and a heart that has formed is a human life. I have no problem with women taking an abortion pill after a short period after conception, none at all. Yes there are some ppl who exist as you describe but I think they are very few out of the 34% that voted no.

ohnonotgmail

AllForIt wrote: »

Zubeneschamali, you are free to think what you like but I can tell you that the only reason I was conflicted about was the 12 week issue. I don't agree that an ovary or semen is human life but I do believe that at least a brain and a heart that has formed is a human life. I have no problem with women taking an abortion pill after conception, none at all. Yes there are some ppl who exist as you describe but I think they are very few out of the 34% that voted no.

a 12 week old fetus has nothing resembling a working brain.

AllForIt wrote: »

I do believe that at least a brain and a heart that has formed is a human life.

No worries at 12 weeks so.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

a 12 week old fetus has nothing resembling a working brain.

Correct - it has nothing like a fully developed brain. I should have said simply 'a' brain.

AllForIt wrote: »

Zubeneschamali, you are free to think what you like but I can tell you that the only reason I was conflicted about was the 12 week issue. I don't agree that an ovary or semen is human life but I do believe that at least a brain and a heart that has formed is a human life. I have no problem with women taking an abortion pill after a short period after conception, none at all. Yes there are some ppl who exist as you describe but I think they are very few out of the 34% that voted no.

exactly. he and others can think what they like about those of us who voted no . i personally don't care, i stand by my decisian.

end of the road wrote: »

i stand by my decisian.

Well of course! I wouldn't expect you to change your mind just because you were outvoted.

ohnonotgmail

AllForIt wrote: »

Correct - it has nothing like a fully developed brain. I should have said simply 'a' brain.

what significance do attach to a non-working brain?

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what significance do attach to a non-working brain?

I could answer that but I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole again today. It has been decided and I think bickering any further about it is just pointless.

@recedite AND antiskeptic: If the 12 week period had not been in the proposed legislation, would either/both of you have voted yes? Your silence so far is deafening. I'd be obliged if your reply-responses were just to the question and not what we've spent an age passing to and fro up til now.

If 12 weeks had not been in the proposal, No voters would have said Don't trust politicians, it is Abortion on demand in disguise!

We know this, because they said that even when it was right in front of them and not disguised at all. They were obviously prepared for a Hard Cases campaign, and confused when the .CA skipped that step and went straight for the real goal.

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

If 12 weeks had not been in the proposal, No voters would have said Don't trust politicians, it is Abortion on demand in disguise!

We know this, because they said that even when it was right in front of them and not disguised at all. They were obviously prepared for a Hard Cases campaign, and confused when the .CA skipped that step and went straight for the real goal.

Reading the responses from the LoveBoth spokespeople to the vote result today, it seem's that group are of that determination.

DellyBelly

Was thinking of heading to Donegal for a staycation this summer but after that vote i ain't heading up to that redneck county. Must be full of hillbillies!

DellyBelly wrote: »

Was thinking of heading to Donegal for a staycation this summer but after that vote i ain't heading up to that redneck county. Must be full of hillbillies!

I'll think you might find the county has a large representation of the protestant christian belief.

The BBC1 news has the referendum result as it's first news item, and I think BBC1 is the Beeb's N/I channel. It has a NO campaigner, Katie Fenton, saying the campaign stand's over it's words about abortion on demand.

DellyBelly wrote: »

Was thinking of heading to Donegal for a staycation this summer but after that vote i ain't heading up to that redneck county. Must be full of hillbillies!

What an uncalled for ignorant comment. It was very close in Donegal. I'm sure they won't miss you either.

AllForIt wrote: »

What an uncalled for ignorant comment. It was very close in Donegal. I'm sure they won't miss you either.

completely agree. had no been the outcome, those of us who voted no wouldn't have held it against those who voted yes and we wouldn't refuse to visit places because they voted yes.

BarleySweets

end of the road wrote: »

completely agree. had no been the outcome, those of us who voted no wouldn't have held it against those who voted yes and we wouldn't refuse to visit places because they voted yes.

Enough with the virtue signaling.

Just because he’s a Yes-voter, doesn’t mean the whole lot of us feel that way about Donegal, any other area that voted no, or No-voters in general.

BarleySweets wrote: »

Enough with the virtue signaling.

no such thing, but that's a different topic.

BarleySweets wrote: »

Just because he’s a Yes-voter, doesn’t mean the whole lot of us feel that way about Donegal, any other area that voted no, or No-voters in general.

good, i'm glad to hear it.

Somegirl

aloyisious wrote: »

I'll think you might find the county has a large representation of the protestant christian belief.

The BBC1 news has the referendum result as it's first news item, and I think BBC1 is the Beeb's N/I channel. It has a NO campaigner, Katie Fenton, saying the campaign stand's over it's words about abortion on demand.

Those protestants, up to no good as usual

Somegirl

DellyBelly wrote: »

Was thinking of heading to Donegal for a staycation this summer but after that vote i ain't heading up to that redneck county. Must be full of hillbillies!

That's grand

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aloyisious wrote: »

@recedite AND antiskeptic: If the 12 week period had not been in the proposed legislation, would either/both of you have voted yes? Your silence so far is deafening. I'd be obliged if your reply-responses were just to the question and not what we've spent an age passing to and fro up til now.

I'd also still like to know which immigrant group antiskeptic was talking about when he "questioned" if any of them would be aborting due to gender.
Also evidence for that.

Somegirl wrote: »

Those protestants, up to no good as usual

I'm offspring from a Donegal U/P family - Devon RC family ne temere union so have kin on both sides of out national christian divide. Despite their differences, a good few are decent folk.

Cabaal

Delighted with the ref outcome, really shows that the general public saw through lies, misinformation and scaremongering of the no side. It's my firm belief that the no side doubled down and simply went too extreme for the avg joe.

I was talking to a women yesterday, she's very religious, holy water at the door, mass several times a week, jesus on the wall etc. She said the church had no place getting involved in this compaign, she was disgusted with what they said at masses.