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Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

Ozymandius2011

This is for people who have already voted in the referendum. How did you vote? I voted yes.

Mod: This thread is little more than a survey about how you voted. Please don't the ins and outs of abortion.

Mod: This is not a reiteration of the previous 8th threads. If you were threadbanned from those, you are not threadbanned here.

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Nettle Soup

I hope investigative journalists do a deep dive on the lies and antics of the No campaigners.
That cannot be allowed to happen again in any election. Many of their actions were vile.

Some of them are the most hated people in Ireland now.

juanjo

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Yep. Both sides need to get out and get the posters down asap.

And the zip ties. I hate the zip ties. And please take the old ones!

Franz Von Peppercorn

Nettle Soup wrote: »

I hope investigative journalists do a deep dive on the lies and antics of the No campaigners.
That cannot be allowed to happen again in any election. Many of their actions were vile.

Some of them are the most hated people in Ireland now.

People can lie in elections, and other democratic forums. I mean that’s what manifestos are for.

strandroad

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Can someone explain why the yes side shut down any debate on the actual process of abortion when it was raised?

From the debates I saw, any time details were given, the response was that it was bile, or sensationalism, definitely not to be discussed.

The approach seemed to be-we want this but don’t discuss the reality of the abortion process? Bizarre carry on?

Why? It's a known reality. You don't need to see a woman in agony dying of sepsis, or a FFA baby with no lungs choking at birth to understand what is being discussed.

listermint

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

With binary options in referenda the broadcasters have to, or try to, give equal time to high side. That was true of the good Friday agreement which passed by 80%.

Huh?

With the GFA there was political parties voted to represent their constituents.

Who appointed Iona as representatives of anybody?

Iona did.

Walter Bishop

Iona also refuse to disclose the sources of their funding and claim charity status in Ireland, nothing dodgy there, no...

iguana

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Can someone explain why the yes side shut down any debate on the actual process of abortion when it was raised?

From the debates I saw, any time details were given, the response was that it was bile, or sensationalism, definitely not to be discussed.

The approach seemed to be-we want this but don’t discuss the reality of the abortion process? Bizarre carry on?

Because it was bile filled sensationalism. The type of abortion in the proposed legislation is medication that will bring on an extremely heavy and painful period. But that's not what the No side wanted to talk about. They wanted to talk about utterly irrelevant, often made up nonsense. If you would like to discuss heavy periods, lets go for it. I had ovarian endometrioma and have had a lot of not just very heavy, painful periods but several chemical pregnancies and early miscarriages as the hormonal imbalance balance caused by the disease meant my immune system treated the embryos as invaders. So I can tell you all about it.

You see, you need to stop treating us as if we are stupid or have our heads buried in the sand. We aren't the silly young girls and white knight boys you like to paint us as. Most of us have lived this already. We aren't ignoring something we don't want to see. We know exactly what we voted for because the reality is that life can be messy and tragic and the 8th made it worse.

one world order

Like show compassion on the yes posters while killing a healthy baby.

Franz Von Peppercorn

listermint wrote: »

Huh?

With the GFA there was political parties voted to represent their constituents.

Who appointed Iona as representatives of anybody?

Iona did.

It doesn’t matter. The broadcasters had to find someone. Since most political parties were yes that’s the problem they had to solve.

Itssoeasy

They got Marian to start her show an hour early ? Jesus it's a big occasion.

Loafing Oaf

listermint wrote: »

Huh?

With the GFA there was political parties voted to represent their constituents.

Who appointed Iona as representatives of anybody?

Iona did.

Very few (articulate, presentable) mainstream politicians advocating a no on repeal or gay marriage. Media have to run with who is available. If 'Iona' didn't exist you'd probably have many of the same people speaking for Catholic conservatism...

Itssoeasy

PBH is pissed off that he's stuck in Dublin castle where apparently the carpets are clean.

FrancieBrady

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

A shrewd observer of politics said to me the yes side didn’t want to address the reality as they knew it would sway a lot of people’s views, due to the process being pretty horrific.

instead they would shut down discussion as quick as they could -and often aided by the broadcaster moderating the debate.

I’d say there’s a bit of truth in that. It Obviously worked when you look at the result!

What didn't work, clearly was the emotive bribing of the Irish people.

It was a tactic that clearly backfired on the No campaign, as well as many other tactics. Ronan, stand up!

Beechwoodspark

Itssoeasy wrote: »

They got Marian to start her show an hour early ? Jesus it's a big occasion.

I’d say it must be some shock to her system...Mainlining the espressos and on the 3rd pack of Johnny blue already

Walter Bishop

Itssoeasy wrote: »

They got Marian to start her show an hour early ? Jesus it's a big occasion.

She's probably trousering another 50 grand for it.

Try_harder

McGuirk is such an odious little man, calling for respect now, when he was anything but respectful during the campaign.

Why No got him to spearhead their campaign I'll never know.

Rechuchote

Nettle Soup wrote: »

I hope investigative journalists do a deep dive on the lies and antics of the No campaigners.
That cannot be allowed to happen again in any election. Many of their actions were vile.

Yes; we need to make rules about foreign interference and where the money comes from; if Northern Ireland had had rules like that, Brexit might not have happened.

Went out this morning with the bike trailer and took down a rake of posters and brought them home - a couple to keep behind the wardrobe as history; the rest to reuse for other purposes. Secateurs cut the cable ties perfectly.

I'd love to know what ladders the No campaign was using - most of their posters are beautifully high up. Must be light, strong ladders; would love one for home.

As for the "killing healthy babies" trope, give us a break. A girl who finds herself pregnant and can go to the doctor and ask for help and advice is far less likely to have an abortion than one who has to make that lonely decision all on her own. A girl who can get proper contraception without breaking the bank is less likely to have a disastrous pregnancy in the first place.

No voters: remember, this is Ireland. We're crazy about babies. We're not going to suddenly turn into a different country just because women have the right to decide about their own body.

Itssoeasy

PBH is giving tallies and he sounds bored off his head.

Odyssey 2005

Itssoeasy wrote: »

PBH is pissed off that he's stuck in Dublin castle where apparently the carpets are clean.

Hes some pain in the hole

iguana

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

A shrewd observer of politics said to me the yes side didn’t want to address the reality as they knew it would sway a lot of people’s views, due to the process being pretty horrific.

Come on now. Are you ignoring me when I did try to engage with you on the exact subject you claim we refused to engage on. A disease caused my body to repeatedly act in the same way as a medical abortion does. I know all about it. And am willing to discuss it in detail as you claim you want us to.

Guess what. Making claims that we won't engage with you, then ignoring us when we try while still claiming that we won't didn't work during the campaign and it will work even less now.

Odyssey 2005

Walter Bishop wrote: »

She's probably trousering another 50 grand for it.

And 5 packs of Bensons.

BabyCheeses

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

A shrewd observer of politics said to me the yes side didn’t want to address the reality as they knew it would sway a lot of people’s views, due to the process being pretty horrific.

instead they would shut down discussion as quick as they could -and often aided by the broadcaster moderating the debate.

I’d say there’s a bit of truth in that. It Obviously worked when you look at the result!

The thing is the No side had no interest in the reality. They wanted to pretend that every abortion is giving birth and then slitting the throat with a knife when the vast vast majority are just taking 2 pills.

strandroad

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

A shrewd observer of politics said to me the yes side didn’t want to address the reality as they knew it would sway a lot of people’s views, due to the process being pretty horrific.

instead they would shut down discussion as quick as they could -and often aided by the broadcaster moderating the debate.

I’d say there’s a bit of truth in that. It Obviously worked when you look at the result!

Your shrewd observer would like to see Yes respond with horrific images and descriptions in kind instead? And the broascasters to preside over that? There is gore on both sides if we're talking health grounds, FA or late term - which a compassionate 12 week proposal is aiming to prevent. As mentioned before, a pill abortion looks like a period. Not exactly poster material, is it.

retro:electro

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

A shrewd observer of politics said to me the yes side didn’t want to address the reality as they knew it would sway a lot of people’s views, due to the process being pretty horrific.

Your “shrewd observer” is talking out his arse. Stop treating people as if they’re thick.

Beechwoodspark

retro:electro wrote: »

Your “shrewd observer” is talking out his arse. Stop treating people as if they’re thick.

Well as a yes voter I think the “distract distract, look over there” approach that many yes campaigners took, helped by many in the media, worked well.

Hotblack Desiato

Akrasia wrote: »

Lads, there are no winners in this referendum.

Bollox

Women's health during pregnancy can now be prioritised. That's a win. Even if we never pass abotion legislation, just achieving this is so worthwhile. Horrific stories on In Her Shoes facebook page about how the 8th has hurt women, whether they wanted to be pregnant or not.

Itssoeasy

David quinn from the no side always seems to be gracious and accepting of the result the morning after. Well he gives that impression anyway.

Sofiztikated

iguana wrote: »

Michael Healy Rae has this morning expressed his intention to respect the will of the people. The mandate is too strong for any politician who values his/her career to kick up much of a fuss about it. The legislation may not sail through but it will be enacted by the end of the year.

It's be Danny that'll do the shouting.

erica74

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

I'm watching Morning Ireland (on tv) and they are analyzing the exit poll and why people voted the way they did.

The Yes vote was based mainly on the personal stories of people that they heard about and knew of so on behalf of the women of Ireland thank you so much for laying bare your personal story and hurt - its your bravery that got this Yes vote. I hope your medical health care is never exported or denied from this day forward. I'm very proud of you all.

Ah jaysus, where's the tear in my eye emoji?!

After many many years, and a particularly focused campaign over the past 12 to 18 months, of laying bare the personal stories, the heartbreaking reasoning, the facts and stats behind abortion, we are now being told Yes was victorious because of badges, stickers and colourful posters, because of selfies and because of a need to be "cool" and get on the "cool" side of the debate - GET REAL. This referendum was campaigned for in a modern way, yes there was badges and posters and selfies, and so what?! Badges and posters and selfies were a way to bring this conversation out from behind closed doors and get rid of this culture of shame, which, in the past, polluted Irish society in an insidious way.
This is how we start to change Irish society.

Many of the people now bemoaning the result are the same ones who said they had sympathy for victims of rape and incest, sympathy for women with babies with FFA, sympathy for the "hard" cases. Well now we have a way to help those "hard" cases, why aren't you happy with the result?

FrancieBrady

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Well as a yes voter I think the “distract distract, look over there” approach that many yes campaigners took, helped by many in the media, worked well.

Finding it very hard to believe you voted Yes. Just saying.

On a related point I can see many politicians claiming the same to save themselves.