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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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marno21

fonzy951 wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/property/eye-catching-cork-city-building-up-for-sale-on-lower-glanmire-road-843309.html

Extract from article:

Great to see JCD planning a very substantial office development on Penrose Quay, these crowd don't mess around.

Penrose Quay development makes the front of tomorrow's Examiner

Apogee

Alt view of Penrose development.

https://m.independent.ie/business/commercial-property/jcd-unveils-a-125m-office-plan-for-cork-city-docklands-36939097.html

Shedite27

Nice little tour video too...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyF8RoZ4sgE

11214

That's just awesome, a lovely addition to the city.

I spotted the new building next to Carey tool hire, nice to see development there.
Does anyone know if there are any plans for all the land Carey tool hire own?

kub

It is great to see all this development, but there is going to be a lot of square footage of office space available in the City in the immediate future.
I have to wonder, where are all these companies going to come from and the next obvious question is, where are all the employees going to live?

CHealy

kub wrote: »

I have to wonder, where are all these companies going to come from and the next obvious question is, where are all the employees going to live?

Its a good question, but the way I look at is is that JCD and his likes wouldn't be going for planning on multi million Euro developments unless they had every stress test/ survey/ report under the sun done, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if he already had companies lined up to go in. His success at One Albert Quay makes his buildings an attractable option for business looking for new high tech options. Iv done work in 1AQ, its incredible.

snotboogie

kub wrote: »

It is great to see all this development, but there is going to be a lot of square footage of office space available in the City in the immediate future.
I have to wonder, where are all these companies going to come from and the next obvious question is, where are all the employees going to live?

I doubt Cork will get any of the top end companies that the Dublin Docklands got but the B+ Finance and Tech companies seem to be lining up to take up office space in Cork City. The Anderson Quay, Camden Place and Trinity Quarter stalling is a worry. Uniquely for Cork, Navigation Square was started without pre lets and has already announced an anchor client, how and if the rest of that development fills up should be a good indication of demand. If there is a lot of empty space there in Q2 2019 and the second phase is stalled, I'd start to get worried about the overall viability and speed of this Docklands expansion.

marno21

The lack of apartments is going to be challenging so hopefully post 2019 some focus begins on developing residential projects

who_me

kub wrote: »

It is great to see all this development, but there is going to be a lot of square footage of office space available in the City in the immediate future.
I have to wonder, where are all these companies going to come from and the next obvious question is, where are all the employees going to live?

Yeah, Cork is a loong way off the Dublin shortage/demand; but it will still eventually become a problem.

I guess the purchase of the Elysian makes a lot of sense now, a lot of apartments in a prime location in between the new developments in the West end of the docklands and the city centre.

namloc1980

marno21 wrote: »

The lack of apartments is going to be challenging so hopefully post 2019 some focus begins on developing residential projects

It's becoming an issue. Thousands of office spaces for workers coming on stream and little or no residential developments going on in the city or nearby. Setting ourselves up for traffic chaos as people are forced to commute in.

lisasimpson

namloc1980 wrote: »

It's becoming an issue. Thousands of office spaces for workers coming on stream and little or no residential developments going on in the city or nearby. Setting ourselves up for traffic chaos as people are forced to commute in.

The only plus side is these buildings are within walking distance of the train station but still traffic is going to be mayhem is all these buildings are even 1/2 to 3/4 filled.. ideally a park and ride should be developed for those commuting from the M8 side and extend the opening hours of the blackash facility
But then ideally rarely becomes a reality

MrDerp

It’s great to see jobs moving back into the city, it’s better for long term sustainability to have people work and live near the city, with these developments close to both the bus and train stations.

Agree re the apartments, clearly some are badly needed.

I don’t think there’ll be a shortage of takers for office space but older generation space will be vacated, and there might be some decay in the core of the old traditional business district in the short term, along with empty units in the suburban business parks

lisasimpson

Thats true for one Clearstream are leaving the airport business park in the 1st half of next year to move into town

TheQuietBeatle

kub wrote: »

I have to wonder, where are all these companies going to come from and the next obvious question is, where are all the employees going to live?

My company is crying out for office space in city centre! Parking and traffic would be my biggest concerns. I believe the demand is there.

zetalambda

A significant amount of the new office space will be leased by companies currently located in the suburbs. The reason they went there was because suitable offices weren't available in the city center.

GavRedKing

A park and ride on the Little Island/Glounthaune side of the tunnel would be ideal, IMO.

snotboogie

lisasimpson wrote: »

Thats true for one Clearstream are leaving the airport business park in the 1st half of next year to move into town

There is construction ongoing in the Airport Business Park, the build across from Amazon looks nearly done. There are also big plans for an expansion on the grounds of the old terminal. I'd imagine the demand is there.

AugustusMinimus

snotboogie wrote: »

There is construction ongoing in the Airport Business Park, the build across from Amazon looks nearly done. There are also big plans for an expansion on the grounds of the old terminal. I'd imagine the demand is there.

The road network most certainly is not.

spillcoe

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

The road network most certainly is not.

Agreed - the airport roundabout is a disaster in the morning as it is.

Shedite27

GavRedKing wrote: »

A park and ride on the Little Island/Glounthaune side of the tunnel would be ideal, IMO.

Using the rail line please

CHealy

GavRedKing wrote: »

A park and ride on the Little Island/Glounthaune side of the tunnel would be ideal, IMO.

We have a train line at these locations, not sure what more people want.

deRanged

CHealy wrote: »

We have a train line at these locations, not sure what more people want.

I think they want to get farther into the city, and some joined up thinking for people heading across the city (UCC/CUH) or out towards Mahon.

Something a bit more than walking from train station into town to get the bus to Mahon or sitting in a 205 for longer than it takes to walk to UCC.

CHealy

deRanged wrote: »

I think they want to get farther into the city, and some joined up thinking for people heading across the city (UCC/CUH) or out towards Mahon.

Something a bit more than walking from train station into town to get the bus to Mahon or sitting in a 205 for longer than it takes to walk to UCC.

Surely if they are going as far as Little Island for a P&R they would go the extra 5 mins to Mahon? Why would anyone park at Little Island, get a bus to town, and then go all the way back out to Mahon? Traffic isnt that bad at all.

As for the cross town journey to UCC/CUH, I believe there are regular buses to these locations from Kent Station, or they could cycle but I agree this isnt always possible. Cork isnt a big city and Kent station isnt that far out of town. I used the new entrance Wednesday after walking down from Patrick St along passed Jurys and onto Horgans Quay, took about 8 minutes.

MrDerp

CHealy wrote: »

Surely if they are going as far as Little Island for a P&R they would go the extra 5 mins to Mahon? Why would anyone park at Little Island, get a bus to town, and then go all the way back out to Mahon? Traffic isnt that bad at all.

As for the cross town journey to UCC/CUH, I believe there are regular buses to these locations from Kent Station, or they could cycle but I agree this isnt always possible. Cork isnt a big city and Kent station isnt that far out of town. I used the new entrance Wednesday after walking down from Patrick St along passed Jurys and onto Horgans Quay, took about 8 minutes.

Indeed.

Office space gets built within 5 minutes walk of both the bus and train station and people are talking about traffic. In the medium term we'll see medium-high density homes developed within a short bus/walk/train of this location at Tivoli and the south docklands. I'm rejoicing at the idea of large employers in the city centre instead of clogging up a bypass. This will create demand and sustainability for higher density living in Cork, close to the city centre.

I dream of working in town and ditching the car. Getting jobs done at lunch, every service from dentist to doctor to bank within a 10 minute walk of my desk, Christmas shopping during quiet times at my leisure during the month of December, sneaky pints because it's sunny/raining/Friday/whatever. Sure I might get wet a few times per year but it'd be worth it.

whisky_galore

Offices, yet more offices and student accom.

Anything coming up for ordinary Joe Schmoes to actually live in? And not just luxury unaffordable apartments?

CHealy

whisky_galore wrote: »

Offices, yet more offices and student accom.

Anything coming up for ordinary Joe Schmoes to actually live in? And not just luxury unaffordable apartments?

I swear if you built people gold thrones looking over the city they'd still find a way to complain.....................

snotboogie

whisky_galore wrote: »

Offices, yet more offices and student accom.

Anything coming up for ordinary Joe Schmoes to actually live in? And not just luxury unaffordable apartments?

There must be close to 3,000 homes either under construction or at late stage planning...

timmyjimmy

I would love a train station in the Carrigtwohill IDA. I can see the train pass my office everyday but the station stops a half hour walk from the IDA. Sure a station here would alleviate some of the traffic problems on the main road?

MrDerp

whisky_galore wrote: »

Offices, yet more offices and student accom.

Anything coming up for ordinary Joe Schmoes to actually live in? And not just luxury unaffordable apartments?

Students in dedicated student accommodation gets them out of houses, and away from those who don't want to hear their parties. Dedicated student accommodation also have 24 hour security, for the benefit of everyone.

'Luxury' apartments provide city centre accommodation for workers who want it. Trust me when I say that our young and sometimes foreign workforce would rather living a modern apartment in the city centre and bus/walk to work than share a tired 3-bed amateur-landlord rental in Frankfield. This indirectly makes more homes available for families, where families want to live.

All beds improve the housing stock, and city centre offices boost the economy, along with demand for city centre living.

draiochtanois

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