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Since when have Communions become such a plebian affair?

ibarelycare

When I was young your communion was about having a mediocre meal in the local hotel, getting fivers in cards from aunties and uncles, and if you’re lucky one of your friends’ parents hiring a bouncy castle, which half the street got the use out of.

These days they’ve become mini working-class weddings. Piss ups for the families, sweet carts, limos, candy floss machines, those tacky-as-ef Instagram/Facebook cardboard frames, hiring djs, renting out an area in a scummy pub, professional photo shoots, mothers and aunties and grannies booking their hair, tan, makeup months in advance, dads and uncles and grandads taking fashion tips from McGregor’s clan. It’s like a competition in some neighbourhoods to see who can get themselves in most debt to out-tack the people next door. The past few weeks in work I’ve heard numerous people talking about the “mad” communions they were at at the weekend. Seriously can people not leave the crates of Blue WKD and bags of poor quality cocaine for a day that’s not supposed to be about children?

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andekwarhola

Sounds like a bit more fun than trawling through pages of cringy mumsnet sneering, to be fair.

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Graces7 wrote: »

THere is nothing creepy about faith in Jesus Christ and to many it is absolutely necessary

Maybe if you understood more..

There is something creepy about forcing children the Church didn’t rape or bury in mass graves into being believers. IMO an 8 year old isn’t old enough to have all the facts on the organization they’re being indoctrinated to.

meeeeh

Luella Dry Lacrosse wrote: »

There is something creepy about forcing children the Church didn’t rape or bury in mass graves into being believers. IMO an 8 year old isn’t old enough to have all the facts on the organization they’re being indoctrinated to.

Firstly communion or no communion wast majority of kids in Ireland go to catholic schools, indoctrination happens there, first communion is just a ritual. And even if you go through catholic schools you actually have to believe into the whole thing to be indoctrinated. So until religion is out of Irish schools there is no point whinging about couple of rituals kids look forward to.

Graces7

Luella Dry Lacrosse wrote: »

There is something creepy about forcing children the Church didn’t rape or bury in mass graves into being believers. IMO an 8 year old isn’t old enough to have all the facts on the organization they’re being indoctrinated to.

:rolleyes:

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meeeeh wrote: »

Firstly communion or no communion wast majority of kids in Ireland go to catholic schools, indoctrination happens there, first communion is just a ritual. And even if you go through catholic schools you actually have to believe into the whole thing to be indoctrinated. So until religion is out of Irish schools there is no point whinging about couple of rituals kids look forward to.

Religion doesn’t have a place in unlucky state funded schools and the church should have no say in the running or schools or hospitals

EdEd

Graces7 wrote: »

Not.

Whatever floats your boat I suppose.

dan1895

Luella Dry Lacrosse wrote: »

Religion doesn’t have a place in unlucky state funded schools and the church should have no say in the running or schools or hospitals

Just like facts have no place within organised religion.

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Graces7 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

ibarelycare

Graces7 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Top response.

Graces7

Luella Dry Lacrosse wrote: »

There is something creepy about forcing children the Church didn’t rape or bury in mass graves into being believers. IMO an 8 year old isn’t old enough to have all the facts on the organization they’re being indoctrinated to.

Amazed at such an intelligent person as yourself making such a reply. Faith is not indoctrination. And nothing creepy about faith.

Children are well taught. And there is no forcing.

Over and out from me on this .

dan1895

Graces7 wrote: »

Amazed at such an intelligent person as yourself making such a reply. Faith is not indoctrination. And nothing creepy about faith.

Children are well taught.

Over and out from me on this .

Off you go to bury your head in the sand.

EdEd

Graces7 wrote: »

Amazed at such an intelligent person as yourself making such a reply. Faith is not indoctrination. And nothing creepy about faith.

Children are well taught.

Over and out from me on this .

Children are only interested in the money they get from it. You are codding yourself if you think faith is important to a child. It is weird that the church has young girls dress as mini brides.

iguana

Graces7 wrote: »

Faith is not indoctrination.

Faith isn't indoctrination if you come to it yourself as an adult. If it is something you were reared in from when you were a small child and taught to believe articles of faith as genuine facts, then it is the absolute definition of indoctrination. The vast, vast, vast majority of religious people throughout history were indoctrinated into it and still are today.

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Graces7 wrote: »

Amazed at such an intelligent person as yourself making such a reply. Faith is not indoctrination. And nothing creepy about faith.

Children are well taught.

Over and out from me on this .

Brand new babies are baptized to absolve them of original sin. You don’t find that weird? That someone so pure and innocent if they were to die supposedly don’t get to heaven however you could be a mass murderer on your deathbed but say you’re sorry and a decade of the rosary you’ll be forgiven and allowed into heaven? Nah. The Catholic Church have nobody to blame for their lack of bums on church pews but themselves. The fact the church sees nothing wrong with what they’ve done and show no remorse in regards to how women children and the poor have been treated by the most charitable tells me all I need to know. Why would I have any faith in a church that would treat daughters of their faith so appallingly? Why would I condone little girls dressing up as brides of Christ indoctrinating themselves into an organization that shows nothing but disdain for women?

meeeeh

Are little boys grooms of Christ then? Or is this just another stick to beat girls with? Nobody complains about ridiculous mini suits boys are put in.

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meeeeh wrote: »

Are little boys grooms of Christ then? Or is this just another stick to beat girls with?

Might be if the church wasn’t so homophobic.

Or is it not gay if it’s a child and rape?

EdEd

meeeeh wrote: »

Are little boys grooms of Christ then? Or is this just another stick to beat girls with? Nobody complains about ridiculous mini suits boys are put in.

Misguided outrage is reserved for the mean butcher thread.

meeeeh

EdEd wrote: »

Misguided outrage is reserved for the mean butcher thread.

I'll stay here thank you. Why just single out girls? Again.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Back to the topic of the thread - I think the OTT stuff has been gradually creeping in over the years. Holy Communion children used to spend the day calling on relatives, ending up with tea at their granny's or somesuch - or as a big treat they might be taken to the zoo.

Then the calling at relatives was changed to an event in the child's house, buffet, drinks etc.

Then the bouncy castles started to come along.

Then it became a meal out, and a late afternoon party with bouncy castle.

Then during the celtic tiger some people went mad - fake tans for the kids, marquees and champagne and blahdey blah. I even heard of families going to a hotel the night before the 'big day' as if it was a wedding.

I think things calmed down a bit during the recession, but have probably started to wind up again over the last couple of years.

iguana

Because men wear suits for all sorts of reasons throughout their life. Whereas in Irish culture, the white lacy dress really just signifies weddings and communions.

meeeeh

I think it depends a bit where you are. Here it will be bouncy castle galore but that happens anyway around birthdays.

EdEd

meeeeh wrote: »

I'll stay here thank you. Why just single out girls? Again.

You are not at all put out about the church and girls being treated as they are. This says all I need to know about you.

LirW

My son goes to some countryside school, he's the only child without faith and of course communion is a big thing. Solved the issue with "When the other kids have communion, we go to the Zoo, okay?" "Awesome". Problem solved.
Load of bollix the whole thing.

meeeeh

iguana wrote: »

Because men wear suits for all sorts of reasons throughout their life. Whereas in Irish culture, the white lacy dress really just signifies weddings and communions.

It might be my upbringing but I always found mini boy suits even more ridiculous especially at weddings and similar where they are really not needed.

meeeeh

EdEd wrote: »

You are not at all put out about the church and girls being treated as they are. This says all I need to know about you.

I'm an atheist, one of those that puts kids through the religious stuff because at the moment it's easier than not to and they go to a good school. You know exactly nothing about what I think about church but I can tell you what I think about keyboard warriors who land in this sort of threads just to be judgemental pricks.

facehugger99

We had one last Saturday - great weather and a bouncy slide - did some food at the house for the close relations - was a fun day.

I'm not in the least religious myself but I got the full Catholic education. So did all my friends and I wouldn't say any of them are 'believers', so while I've no doubt there's a bit of attempted indoctrination going on at the schools, it's clearly not working very well.

If you live in a rural area, your choices of schools are pretty limited so going down the Catholic route is almost a non-option. Personally, If I had my way I would remove religion entirely from the education system, but as that's not the case at present I've no option but to carry on with the charade.

I've no problem with most of the light-Catholic fluff they're teaching anyway - it's mostly the 'be kind to people' stuff that we can all get behind, but I encourage my children to think about things and to not just accept what someone tells them to be true without mulling it over themselves.

EdEd

meeeeh wrote: »

I'm an atheist, one of those that puts kids through the religious stuff because at the moment it's easier than not to and they go to a good school. You know exactly nothing about what I think about church but I can tell you what I think about keyboard warriors who land in this sort of threads just to be judgemental pricks.

Judgemental prick. I like it. Can I change my username to Judgemental Prick.

An atheist who puts children through religious indoctrination because it's easier. I've heard it all now. Try growing a spine.

meeeeh

EdEd wrote: »

.
Try growing a spine.

I don't want to, I'm quite comfortable being a hypocrite.

Arrival

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

The term is highly offensive to some people :rolleyes:

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Badly Drunk Boy

I made my Communion in May 1980. Afterwards, my parents, sister and I went up to Dublin from Kildare where I had my first McDonald's (on O'Connell Street). Fish and chips. I got all upset because McDonald's had violated my fish with probably tartare sauce and loads of salady stuff all over it, and I've always been fussy about food.