Greysquirel09 wrote: » You don't live in America you don't get it. I'm sorry but it's just that simple.
pjohnson wrote: » Ahahahahaha what nonsense told you this?
Greysquirel09 wrote: » Because when I lived there, I, like you was uninformed and was often filled full of ****e from the internet so when I was receiving medical care and was going through the system I ASKED the people in the hospital how much my treatment would be then I thought wow nurse what happens if I don't health insurance how could I ever afford this?? And she proceeded to inform me of what happens in such cases. Are you guys honestly that stupid to think that in the USA you are go to the hospital and they close the door on you if you have no insurance?? So you tell me what happens in your understanding of American healthcare?
Silane wrote: » It blows my mind that Irish people think they can tell Americans what to do, when alcohol in Ireland kills more people per capita then guns murders in America. It also costs our economy massive amounts in lost productivity and the burden on the emergency services is massive. It's also probably a factor in most murders here, and then there's the domestic and sexual abuse that also goes along with it. But hey, not everybody abuses alcohol here, most people use it responsibly, plus its just part of our culture, so it's grand. (Where have we heard that before?)
Greysquirel09 wrote: » No one is refused medical care in the United States will you get that into your head. They get bills of many thousands of dollars which are written off by the hospitals or by government insurance now please stop trying to continue this ridiculous argument and get back on topic. Burning rubbish in barrels you actually have me laughing you must be watching either Rocky or Trading places. Please get back on topic you are talking nonsense.
RustyNut wrote: » As individuals yes but as a society no. How many kids lives would be saved annually if it was mandatory for gun owners to keep their guns securely locked and ammunition stored separately. How many toddlers have shot toddlers because someone feels the need to exercise their "right" to keep a loaded firearm within reach at all times. Gun owners rights seem to trump children's rights, or that's how it seems to me anyway.
Bubbaclaus wrote: » You've clearly no idea how the US healthcare system works. Thank god for Ireland's public healthcare system. You're embarrassing yourself here. Go read a book before replying.
Graces7 wrote: » REALLY? Our public healthcare is a joke. the US is far more geared to insurance meds than we are and that works. But to praise the public health care here? I have literally the scars to prove else.
Bubbaclaus wrote: » I'm not praising it. I'm saying it's great we have a public health system here. In the US you'd get crippled financially and have to file for bankruptcy. But apparently bankruptcy is fine for some posters on here and equates to a simple "writing off". It's a laughable lack of understanding, coming from a person that claims to understand because they "asked a nurse". I assume she's qualified in bankruptcy law alright. Lol
Graces7 wrote: » So, and I realise I may have missed this in the thread, how can a student get a gun into school so easily after all the shootings? Cannot remember which but the last time school security was mentioned it was woefully inadequate . A simply bag search?
university policy that prohibited students, professors and employees from carrying "lethal weapons" on campus - but allows "guests" to possess them on school grounds (but not in buildings). ... Now that I graduated from @KentState, I can finally arm myself on campus. I should have been able to do so as a student- especially since 4 unarmed students were shot and killed by the government on this campus.
BattleCorp wrote: » Isn't society made up of individuals? I agree with you to a point. Yes, I believe that guns should be safely locked away when not in use. But as long as you have the ability to possess guns for self defence, it's not practical to lock up the guns and bullets seperately as you may need to access them quickly should your life be under threat. There is too much carelessness regarding firearms in the US. Guns should never be left where kids can get near them. When you say that gun owner's rights trump children's rights, it isn't as simple as that. Guns are a right in America. They are part of their DNA. For a lot of people (millions and millions), the removal of guns would be akin to the removal of some of our civil rights, such as the right to freedom of religion. If I was a responsible law abiding gun owner in America, I would feel hard done by if I had to give up my guns because of something someone else did. It's not that I don't value the lives of children, it's the fact that children would be no safer by me giving up my guns. You might think I'm comming across as heartless but I'd be considerately more moderate than your average American gun owner.
splinter65 wrote: » This is how easily people in Ireland on the left are brainwashed. They actually believe that it the US if you are in the throws of a heart attack or are in a car crash that the paramedics who come to your assistance that they will refuse to treat you if you can’t produce health insurance. It’s laughable.
[Deleted User] wrote: » You get treated and then you file for bankruptcy. Even if you have insurance, you still have to tell the paramedic which hospitals you're covered in. Getting taken to the wrong one, or being treated an out-of-network doctor while in the right one, could ruin you financially.
Graces7 wrote: » Read and learn! Ahttp://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/10067521/how-does-us-healthcare-work Tead
Graces7 wrote: » Read and learn!http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/10067521/how-does-us-healthcare-work Tead
Greysquirel09 wrote: » God where are you getting this from seriously.
steddyeddy wrote: » As you mentioned the average US gun owner is nutty compared to your posts so credit where it's due. However you seem to have a problem with laws designed to protect society at the expense of civil liberties. You realise plenty of these laws exist already? Why should speeding laws apply to me if I can drive safely at speed? Why can't I carry a knife in London just because other people stab people? Why should I be affected by drink driving legislation if I can have one or two and drive safely?
steddyeddy wrote: » Harvard: news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/ I know it's not a bastion of facts like your posts but sure give it a read.
pjohnson wrote: » Nah they will treat you of course. The funny part about the great American system is that uninsured will need to be in a serious state of illness to recieve the care they need. This means people require either MORE "normal" level healthcare for longer (thus more expensive), OR a stronger level of healthcare for a normal treatment period (more expensive drugs). So that makes the treatments far more costly. And thats where if its coronary disease or renal disease or cancer related this expensive treatment will be LESS effective due to the advanced nature of the disease. America is one of the worst healthcare services in the world (better than Azerbaijan and Russia) at least. They overspend for a reduced life expectancy. They are a joke.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Squirrel, stop acting like a condescending arse.
Greysquirel09 wrote: » An article from a decade ago. Sit down.
However you seem to have a problem with laws designed to protect society at the expense of civil liberties. You realise plenty of these laws exist already? Why should speeding laws apply to me if I can drive safely at speed? Why can't I carry a knife in London just because other people stab people? Why should I be affected by drink driving legislation if I can have one or two and drive safely?
Greysquirel09 wrote: » More false nonsense. Back on topic please.
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