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The horrific death of Ana Kriegel

Captain Obvious

The current reports are indicating this poor young girl was subject to an awful death. I don't want to engage in speculation about the events. I hope justice is done and her family and friends find some peace.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mobile-phone-and-clothing-of-murdered-schoolgirl-ana-14-yield-vital-clues-to-identifying-killer-36921646.html

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Wombatman

The Mirror seem to be trying to bring bad taste to a new level.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/tragic-schoolgirl-anastasia-kriegel-lured-12559199

Officers hope an expected treasure trove of DNA from the makeshift weapons used to kill Ana will identify the killers.

A "treasure trove of DNA". FFS.

flazio

Snake Plisken wrote: »

If he is 13, he was able to go home and act normally and go to school for 3 days without any remorse for what he did, that says to me that he is a dangerous physcopath!
Some comments on Facebook blaming Videogames but I think it’s more down to the violent degrading porn that they are watching online that makes them think it’s ok to threat girls this way.
He probably won’t be trialed as an adult and will be out and about within 5 or 6 years Free time do something like this again.

You seem to think that there is no chance of even attempting rehabilitation, without even knowing the individual involved. The person is sick in the head no doubt, but rather than just lock them up and just forget their existence for whatever amount of years, someone has the job of finding out why and to find out if there's a way to dig out the remorse for what they've done. If there isn't then absolutely keep them away from society for the rest of their lives but maybe with therapy and strong medication, there could be a way back. Of course it'd have to be far away from the scene of the crime.
I know there is no way back for the family of that poor girl but vengeance is never justice.

pjohnson

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Do these innocent people who die all the time get sentenced to death for a crime they haven’t committed?

Ah dont worry. No one will face consequences for this anyway.

Tipsy McSwagger

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Innocent people die all the time. Unfortunate fact of life...

But that still doesn't alter the fact that guilty people, who commit disgusting crimes, need to be punished. And punishment needs to match the crime!

I also have 2 names for you: Robert Thompson and Jon Venables!

What possible good comes from having people like that still alive and potentially walking the streets? (and in this part of the world, it is highly likely that this young Girl's killer(s) will walk the streets again - sadly)

Do these innocent people who die all the time get sentenced to death for a crime they haven’t committed?

Snake Plisken

If he is 13, he was able to go home and act normally and go to school for 3 days without any remorse for what he did, that says to me that he is a dangerous physcopath!
Some comments on Facebook blaming Videogames but I think it’s more down to the violent degrading porn that they are watching online that makes them think it’s ok to threat girls this way.
He probably won’t be trialed as an adult and will be out and about within 5 or 6 years Free time do something like this again.

pjohnson

tretorn wrote: »

Its not irrelevant if they come from a background where women can be murdered without serious conseuquences.
Another non national was convicted this week of attacking three women, if he hadnt been caught he would have ended up murdering someone as his attacks were very vicious.

I dont know whether you are a man tatranska but if you are you dont get to say nationality is irrelevant. It isnt relevant to you if you are a man because you wont be attacked and dragged down a street with a belt around your neck and then tied up with cable because someone thinks women who go out wunccovered and without a man with them is asking to be sexually assaulted. This is what the piece of scum who was convicted this week did, one woman was attacked on her way to work.

Another woman was harassed on a bus and when she got off the bus she was followed home by her harasser and raped in the hallway of her home, another non national. These people can commit these crimes in their country of origin and no one cares so they think they can come here and do the same.

If these horrible people are non nationals then this needs to be reported. It needs to be reported so that whatever led to this attack can be investigated and if part of it is cultural attitudes to women then its relevant to the murder enquiry.

We need to be keeping statistics of ethnic background in cases of attacks on women and if this is not PC then too bad, protecting womens safety has to be the priority here.

Congratulations. Darwin award incoming.

Sundew

dublinbuster wrote: »

Why cant we have a referendum on the death penalty, a 3 strikes law or proper serious hard time in jail for criminals.

We did around 2002.....the public voted to remove the death penalty off the statue books. I recall voting to keep it. New Superjail is so badly needed. Dangerous criminals need to be locked up for a very very long time and not come through the revolving door system. I can’t think of anything worse then loosing a loved one in a violent manner and not getting proper justice in this country.

Are Am Eye

JaMarcus wrote: »

Has there ever been such a case in this country before?

In 1974 there was a murder in Palmerstown seven year old victim and culprit was ~fifteen

If the culprit is someone of that age (13/14) - what usually happens? Is there a precedent? Genuine questions as I've no idea how this could play out.

Over the age of twelve they can be charged and convicted of a criminal offence.

Age of Criminal Responsibility
On 16 October 2006, under the Children Act 2001, the age of criminal responsibility was effectively raised from 7 to 12 years. Under the new provisions, no child under the age of 12 years can be charged with an offence. An exception is made for 10 and 11 year-olds charged with very serious offences, such as unlawful killing, a rape offence or aggravated sexual assault. In addition, the Director of Public Prosecutions must give consent for any child under the age of 14 years to be charged.[

Heres Johnny

alane20 wrote: »

First of all deepest condolences to the family, as a father of 3 children 2 of which are beautiful little women 7&8 I'm truly worried about life going forward, I'm only 37 but may aswell be 107 when I compare me been 14 to the lads of today,
I just truly hope the lad/lads at fault for this are on the verge of a mental breakdown thinking every noise they hear is the sound of a cop car pulling up outside, and I beg the judge that they stand in front of is a family man with a daughter of this poor girls age,
Animals like this are broken, un fixable, please send a clear message and lock these animals away for a long long time,

This will never offer closure to the family of a beautiful young woman who had the world in front of her, but Jesus Christ please let the courts not add insult to huge grief and devalue her life with a soft touch sentence

It's an isolated incident. Most lads of 14 today are the same as me and you were. Im 37 too. There were always people capable of this around. 1994 when we were 14 was around the Jamie Bulger time. There was a teenager that killed and crucified (yes, on a cross) a younger child in the attic of a house in Palmerstown only down the road in the late 60s or 70s.
So I don't think it's like it's going to be common in the future or anything. It probably will happen again and it's the worst thing that could have possibly happened to that family but I don't think it's going to be more common.

tretorn

Its not irrelevant if they come from a background where women can be murdered without serious conseuquences.
Another non national was convicted this week of attacking three women, if he hadnt been caught he would have ended up murdering someone as his attacks were very vicious.

I dont know whether you are a man tatranska but if you are you dont get to say nationality is irrelevant. It isnt relevant to you if you are a man because you wont be attacked and dragged down a street with a belt around your neck and then tied up with cable because someone thinks women who go out wunccovered and without a man with them is asking to be sexually assaulted. This is what the piece of scum who was convicted this week did, one woman was attacked on her way to work.

Another woman was harassed on a bus and when she got off the bus she was followed home by her harasser and raped in the hallway of her home, another non national. These people can commit these crimes in their country of origin and no one cares so they think they can come here and do the same.

If these horrible people are non nationals then this needs to be reported. It needs to be reported so that whatever led to this attack can be investigated and if part of it is cultural attitudes to women then its relevant to the murder enquiry.

We need to be keeping statistics of ethnic background in cases of attacks on women and if this is not PC then too bad, protecting womens safety has to be the priority here.

uck51js9zml2yt

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Jesus, RIP

Undoubtedly one of the most horrendous murders in the history of the state.

There will be serious consequences for who did this from this murder either way but if the suspected perpetrator is part of the "new Irish" expect another level of reaction. This type of horror is what gets people really worried.

It could have been anyone! Their origins are irrelevant. Just look at the Jamie bolger case. 2 young local kids.

Galwayguy35

If it does turn out that the killer(s) are teenagers then they should be tried as adults if it's legally possible to do this.

alane20

First of all deepest condolences to the family, as a father of 3 children 2 of which are beautiful little women 7&8 I'm truly worried about life going forward, I'm only 37 but may aswell be 107 when I compare me been 14 to the lads of today,
I just truly hope the lad/lads at fault for this are on the verge of a mental breakdown thinking every noise they hear is the sound of a cop car pulling up outside, and I beg the judge that they stand in front of is a family man with a daughter of this poor girls age,
Animals like this are broken, un fixable, please send a clear message and lock these animals away for a long long time,

This will never offer closure to the family of a beautiful young woman who had the world in front of her, but Jesus Christ please let the courts not add insult to huge grief and devalue her life with a soft touch sentence

judeboy101

JaMarcus wrote: »

Independent are reporting that a 13 year old boy is the suspect, which is confirming what has been heard by locals in Lucan (or at least 2 that I spoke to earlier today).

Absolutely grim that one child could do this to another. Has there ever been such a case in this country before? If the culprit is someone of that age (13/14) - what usually happens? Is there a precedent? Genuine questions as I've no idea how this could play out.

Oberstown holiday camp til 18 then new identity

ThinkProgress

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

I have 2 words for you Timothy Evans.

Innocent people die all the time. Unfortunate fact of life...

But that still doesn't alter the fact that guilty people, who commit disgusting crimes, need to be punished. And punishment needs to match the crime!

I also have 2 names for you: Robert Thompson and Jon Venables!

What possible good comes from having people like that still alive and potentially walking the streets? (and in this part of the world, it is highly likely that this young Girl's killer(s) will walk the streets again - sadly)

[Deleted User]

It's so sad. Every parents worse nightmare. My thoughts are with her family and friends.

Tipsy McSwagger

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Poor girl...

If we lived in a different country, and perhaps a different time... the vermin who committed this disgusting crime, would be swiftly executed. (irrespective of their age)

But sadly, whoever did this is unlikely to face any serious punishment. Certainly nothing that remotely fits the heinous nature of their crime!

I have 2 words for you Timothy Evans.

ThinkProgress

Poor girl...

If we lived in a different country, and perhaps a different time... the vermin who committed this disgusting crime, would be swiftly executed. (irrespective of their age)

But sadly, whoever did this is unlikely to face any serious punishment. Certainly nothing that remotely fits the heinous nature of their crime!

fermanagh_man

To think a child or number of children possibly did this is pretty mind boggling.

ChikiChiki

JaMarcus wrote: »

Independent are reporting that a 13 year old boy is the suspect, which is confirming what has been heard by locals in Lucan (or at least 2 that I spoke to earlier today).

Absolutely grim that one child could do this to another. Has there ever been such a case in this country before? If the culprit is someone of that age (13/14) - what usually happens? Is there a precedent? Genuine questions as I've no idea how this could play out.

*If thats the case then we could be on uncharted waters. I cannot think of similar anyway. My own opinion is if one human can do such a thing to another they should spend a lifetime in confinement in the interests of justice and public safety without a seconds thought. They are likely beyond redemption.

Kermit.de.frog

Jesus, RIP

Undoubtedly one of the most horrendous murders in the history of the state.

There will be serious consequences for who did this from this murder either way but if the suspected perpetrator is part of the "new Irish" expect another level of reaction. This type of horror is what gets people really worried.

Summer wind

So very sorry shocked and stunned to hear this awful horrible news. The poor child got an awful death. She must have went through agony and been absolutely terrified. I have a son of 13 and it's my worst nightmare that anything should happen to him. Her parents and brother must be absolutely heartbroken. I hope whoever killed Ana is found and when they are they should never again see the outside of a prison cell.

JaMarcus

Independent are reporting that a 13 year old boy is the suspect, which is confirming what has been heard by locals in Lucan (or at least 2 that I spoke to earlier today).

Absolutely grim that one child could do this to another. Has there ever been such a case in this country before? If the culprit is someone of that age (13/14) - what usually happens? Is there a precedent? Genuine questions as I've no idea how this could play out.

thebull85

riffmongous wrote: »

There's link to articles in the times and examiner on the wiki page of Akinade the football player, more or less word for word the same though

The really sick was the adulation and standing ovation he got on his return to Bohs, that was the end of me and that club that i supported since i was child.

[Deleted User]

thebull85 wrote: »

Of course im not making it up.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/theukdatabase.com/2014/11/01/3-kildare-residents-each-receive-suspended-sentences-for-sexual-abuse-of-schoolgirl/amp/

This is the only info online that confirms it.

There's link to articles in the times and examiner on the wiki page of Akinade the football player, more or less word for word the same though

thebull85

unkel wrote: »

RIP little woman

Shaken me quite some. My eldest girl turned 14 too last month and we are locals. Classmate of my other daughter is a cousin of Ana

Are you making this up?

Of course im not making it up.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/theukdatabase.com/2014/11/01/3-kildare-residents-each-receive-suspended-sentences-for-sexual-abuse-of-schoolgirl/amp/

This is the only info online that confirms it.

unkel

RIP little woman

Shaken me quite some. My eldest girl turned 14 too last month and we are locals. Classmate of my other daughter is a cousin of Ana

thebull85 wrote: »

Wasnt there a particularly bad sex attack down that direction a few years ago, 4 nigerians gang raped a local girl. Think it was leixlip.. Media were banned from reporting on it.

Are you making this up?

take everything

Snake Plisken wrote: »

RIP the poor girl my daughters around the same age and this is truly every parents worst nightmare. Apparantly kids around her own age did this No doubt they will be caught tried as juveniles and out what within 10 years? It reminds me a bit to the Jamie Bulger case.
I would have no problem ending the murdering scums life they don’t deserve to live after what they did to this poor girl. Sorry for strong comments but this crime has really affected me, the sheer cruelty.

Jesus.
That's doubly shocking if it's kids her own age.
I feel sick.
Poor child.
RIP.

Heckler

I'm just hearing about this now. Jesus Christ. What kind of animal would do such a thing ? 14 ? Christ almighty may they rot in hell.

thebull85

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Grew up in that area. Hung around Catherines park as a teen through the long summer evenings.The most carefree time of my life. To me the Leixlip/Catherines area felt like the safest place in the world, still does to an extent having travelled the globe since.

This has chilled me to the bone. I cannot believe this happened to poor Ana and the opportunity to live her life, fulfil her dreams and ambitions has been taken away by some utterly wretched scumbag.

Its very sad. RIP Ana, I hope your family get the justice they deserve at least.

Wasnt there a particularly bad sex attack down that direction a few years ago, 4 nigerians gang raped a local girl. Think it was leixlip.. Media were banned from reporting on it.