Men's rights on Abortion?

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Calhoun

Your right i believe the mocking hastag is #loveboat.

it very much is . we care about both mothers and their babies, hence we can do better then abortion on demand.

it's not. nobody is being shamed. in the vast majority of cases abortion is not health care. the vast majority don't have to go elsewhere for health care but are choosing to go somewhere else for an abortion rather then keep the child and abide by ireland's life-equality stance. only a small few cases exist where people for exceptional circumstances have to go abroad for abortion and they could likely be catered for via the 2013 act.

by upholding both their rights to life. by insuring both are treated as the human beings they are. lots and lots more.

Martina1991

You keep belittling the traumatic realities for so many women who have gone and continue to go abroad to seek help and compassion.

No woman who has had to go through this would take comfort from you saying it was a small case in an exceptional circumstance.

What about all the women who have FFA pregnancies that have to go to England for surgery and get their child's ashes delivered via courier or hide the small coffin in the boot coming home on a ferry.

Love both my arse.

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i do not believe that stating that it is wrong to kill the unborn when both mother and baby are healthy, and saying that their want to end the life of the unborn should not be facilitated, is belittling anyone. ending the life of a healthy unborn baby is not compassion via any metric.

those are some of the cases i'm thinking of when i state that we must provide abortions where genuinely necessary.

no, just love both. we care for both lives. both lives matter. both lives are human. both lives should be respected and upheld as far as is practical.

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because realistically whether one wishes to deny it or not, it's well known that some abortions are health care and some abortions are birth control. abortions for things like FFA, the mother's life being under threat or the mother being under threat of permanent injury or disability, are health care. abortion because one doesn't want to be pregnant, or for lifestyle/convenience/economic reasons are not health care but birth control. if the yes side were honest about this they would actually gain a lot of respect even if many of us wouldn't agree with what they are looking for.

they could choose in most cases not to have the abortion. yes as i said there are some cases not covered by the 2013 act, which should be, who have to go abroad. but i believe that those going abroad to abort for economic/lifestyle reasons for example, are making a choice and i'm happy not to facilitate their want to end the life of their unborn within ireland.

how have i dismissed them, considering i have stated that they are genuine cases which we need to cater to.

the right to life of the unborn trumps it in so far that a mother should not have the right to end it's life unless there is an extreme circumstance where there is no other option such as to save her life.

if it's a serious, and permanent health risk then she should be provided an abortion.

i gave it to you. it's a human being with a right to life. as far as i'm concerned it's enough of an argument.

no, that is the stance you claim i have. it's not the stance i actually have. i have been very clear that it is not okay to go abroad to abort a healthy baby. i have stated also that anyone can go abroad to another country and take part in an activity that is illegal here, whether i like it or agree with it or not. i'm not interested in "controling women" all though i'm happy for the law to try and prevent them from harming or killing others just the same as the rest of us.

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no, i have said that those needing genuine access to abortion must be provided one. but healthy mothers with healthy babies do not fit into the cases where an abortion would be required and therefore should not be provided one.

if it's for economic/lifestyle and similar reasons, then there is absolutely lots wrong with it.

society and the law can however, and it is exactly that on a daily basis when it prevents us from killing or harming others.

i'm afraid i will not be voting to leave women to choose whatever they want for the unborn's body as the unborn will in a large amount of cases be killed for no good reason.
the "if you don't agree with abortion don't have one" nonsense is just that, nonsense. it's an invalid argument that doesn't work. it's the same as saying for example, if you don't agree with abusing children then don't abuse children. it's just a non-argument.

as part of society, i do, as it involves the life of a human being. i have a right to say whether the laws of the society i live in should allow the killing of human beings or not, and if so where it should be allowed.

i have yes . some of them are cases i'd have already agreed abortion should be provided for and others not so. essentially there have been none that would provide a reason for me to change my vote to yes

i do care about the cases where i believ abortion should be provided, hence i'm standing up against those who wish to use them to push an abortion on demand agenda. i believe we can do so much better for those people and they deserve better.

if those are being destroyed at the expence of preventing the ending of a life, then it's the lesser of 2 bad outcomes.

i have never once stated women are incubators and never would as i don't believe it to be the case. i also do not have any control urges.

i don't know. possibly not. but i'd have to think about it.

i believe it is an argument and i'm sticking with it. i believe the unborn are human beings with a right to life. i agree that they aren't persons until such time as they are moving about and all else within the womb but they are human beings and their right to life should continue to be defended.

my understanding is that women don't have constitutional protection to simply travel for an abortion, they have constitutional protection to travel full stop, with abortion being covered within that being a simple bi-product. i'm happy to make it as difficult for healthy mothers with healthy babies to procure abortions as possible yes . i believe abortion to be killing, so i don't see why i should stop believing that to suit you. i believe a human being is being killed when an abortion takes place. if you believe the word killing to be inflammatory terminology, then it's because you must realise deep down that it is what is happening. otherwise you wouldn't have a problem with it's use given your stance. i have heard all the arguments for abortion on demand. i have tried to see how i could support them and how they could work. they just don't work and i cannot support them.

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While realistically they won't be forced to pay for an unwanted child, I do think that there should be an irrevocable option for a man to step away from an unwanted pregnancy.

People may say that is callous but it's no more callous than a woman's economic (be it career or study etc) status determining if she's ready to be a parent.

Hard yes voter either way

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facehugger99

There's a arsehole of a guy in work trotting round the place with his 'No' sticker prominently displayed on his chest. I'm half-hoping one of the women in here go over a tear a few strips off him.

The guy in in his 50's and won't ever be affected by the provisions of the 08th amendment but has the gall to foist his opinion on female body autonomy into the workplace.

Laws, which are not enforced, are still present and can be enforced later

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Civil Law act allows for deductions at source no?

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you mean opinion on repealing of the 8th amendment and subsiquent possible legislation in relation to abortion?
i'd wager there are people wearing repeal material in your work place as well yes?

So the current law is not enforced.

Also there is no legal way for a guy to "disappear", as you say.
Should a guy not have the right to not be a parent? Legally of course, biologically is up to the woman

DickSwiveller

Do you want to politely explain to your friend that we haven't quite figured out a way to make men give birth to babies.

DickSwiveller

What the hell does this mean? Does she get pregnant by herself? So many strange comments in this thread.

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Once she is pregnant the lad has no choice if the pregnancy continues or not.
The whole debate going on, her body her choice

DickSwiveller

The cry of the selfish. What a cruel way to treat a partner.

So a woman can choose to be a parent or not based on her financial circumstances but a guy should not have same choice?

It's completely correct for guys to have ZERO say on having an abortion or not but why does he have to support her choice to proceed?

If a guy has an option to legally (and I mean in the early pregnancy) step away, how does this impact her ability to choose?