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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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Apogee

Alt view of Penrose development.

https://m.independent.ie/business/commercial-property/jcd-unveils-a-125m-office-plan-for-cork-city-docklands-36939097.html

marno21

fonzy951 wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/property/eye-catching-cork-city-building-up-for-sale-on-lower-glanmire-road-843309.html

Extract from article:

Great to see JCD planning a very substantial office development on Penrose Quay, these crowd don't mess around.

Penrose Quay development makes the front of tomorrow's Examiner

marno21

Apogee wrote: »

Appeal withdrawn.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/plans-cleared-for-cork-city-student-apartment-scheme-470978.html

Fantastic spot for them, half way between UCC and town.

Apogee

snotboogie wrote: »

Under Construction

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Appeal withdrawn.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/plans-cleared-for-cork-city-student-apartment-scheme-470978.html

MrDerp

who_me wrote: »

Actually though, to me the scale of that image looks slightly off. If anything, it makes the building seem larger (wider base) than it actually is. Typically the renders (un?)intentionally do the opposite. That site really is tiny. Unless they either get rid of the path on two sides, or have a narrow ground floor with larger upper floors?

The examiner article specifically mentions a cantilevered design and if you look closely at the conceptual image you’ll see 3 floors (or large ground and 1st floor), offset from the floors further up.

Presumably that’s the plan to include the footpath in the footprint of upper floors

snotboogie

Planning my decision on the appeal for Sullivan's Quay delayed until the end of June

opus

The demolition work on the old FAS office is pretty much done apart from the big job of carting away all the rubble. Only the part on Cove St was left during the week & had a look today to find this.

Rhys Essien

A great mock up here from Twitter of Parnell Place if the OCD development also goes ahead on the opposite site.

https://twitter.com/karldiskin/status/997115535845396480?s=21

fonzy951

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/property/eye-catching-cork-city-building-up-for-sale-on-lower-glanmire-road-843309.html

Extract from article:

It’s also on the doorstep of the mixed occupier Penrose Wharf development, as well as being proximate to Penrose Quay, where a very substantial new office development is being mooted for an assembled site, understood to be at advanced pre-planning discussions with City Hall for developers JCD.

Great to see JCD planning a very substantial office development on Penrose Quay, these crowd don't mess around.

who_me

Incidentally - this is an elevation of the previous design (from years back). I have to admit I much prefer the design of this one, though the taller/slimmer ratio of the new tower is better.

https://imgur.com/a/lwWq5dX

namloc1980

who_me wrote: »

Actually though, to me the scale of that image looks slightly off. If anything, it makes the building seem larger (wider base) than it actually is. Typically the renders (un?)intentionally do the opposite. That site really is tiny. Unless they either get rid of the path on two sides, or have a narrow ground floor with larger upper floors?

If you zoom in I think that is the case. Narrow first few floors with the remaining floors being wider.

who_me

Actually though, to me the scale of that image looks slightly off. If anything, it makes the building seem larger (wider base) than it actually is. Typically the renders (un?)intentionally do the opposite. That site really is tiny. Unless they either get rid of the path on two sides, or have a narrow ground floor with larger upper floors?

who_me

Apogee wrote: »

That's pretty much exactly the view out my living room window.

I think I'm getting the thin edge of the wedge. (boom boom)

AugustusMinimus

cgcsb wrote: »

In fairness, Cork can't even put an evening bus lane on the main street without hysterical head bangers threatening to set themselves on fire.

One is temporary. The other semi-permanent.

kub

cgcsb wrote:

In fairness, Cork can't even put an evening bus lane on the main street without hysterical head bangers threatening to set themselves on fire.

I wish they would would.

marno21

cgcsb wrote: »

In fairness, Cork can't even put an evening bus lane on the main street without hysterical head bangers threatening to set themselves on fire.

I agree with that, but there seems to be more of a realisation by Cork council about the need for taller buildings, as opposed to Dublin's desire to destroy acres of prime development land by carpeting it with shoeboxes

cgcsb

marno21 wrote: »

Ah here this isn't the Dublin thread.

I doubt it would be viable at any lesser height

In fairness, Cork can't even put an evening bus lane on the main street without hysterical head bangers threatening to set themselves on fire.

shnaek

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

There will be plenty of objections. There always is.

All it takes is two

AugustusMinimus

There will be plenty of objections. There always is.

Meursault

marno21 wrote: »

Ah here this isn't the Dublin thread.

I doubt it would be viable at any lesser height

Agree. Onwards and upwards. Hopefully the headbangers who are determined to prevent any building higher than 5 storeys wont get their way on this one. Its a very run down area around the bus station. it would be great to see something happen there.

mire

snotboogie wrote: »

The website is live, looks like this is being fast tracked through planning with a decision due in September. Also it looks to be all office space, 6,000sq metres total.

https://theprismbuilding.ie/about/

As a commercial office development, there is no provision for a fast track planning application. It will go through the normal planning process, although I don't expect that much opposition really. Haven't seen it in detail yet.

snotboogie

The website is live, looks like this is being fast tracked through planning with a decision due in September. Also it looks to be all office space, 6,000sq metres total.

Currently in Planning Stage, with a decision due in Q3 2018, The Prism Building is a new, iconic, grade A commercial office development which will be located in the heart of Cork City. The tower will act as a gateway between Cork City Centre and the New Business District in the Docklands. Standing at 15 floors tall, this elegant prism-shaped structure will consist of 6,000 square meters of light filled, fourth generation office space, designed to the highest of international standards.

https://theprismbuilding.ie/about/

Rhys Essien

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

It will after about 5 stories are taken off it.

They should have went for a 30 storey with it being scaled down to 22-25.A bit of variation needed.

marno21

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

It will after about 5 stories are taken off it.

Ah here this isn't the Dublin thread.

I doubt it would be viable at any lesser height

AugustusMinimus

Rhys Essien wrote: »

It looks great.Hopefully the planning will be fast tracked.

It will after about 5 stories are taken off it.

Rhys Essien

It looks great.Hopefully the planning will be fast tracked.

Apogee

snotboogie wrote: »

The Prism: This is believed to be an office development on the triangle site on Clontarf Street which was for sale last year. A 15-17 storey building is believed to be proposed on the site.

Mushy

Pure speculation here, but I get the feeling there is movement in carrigtwohill for something. The drive in is gone, no fencing around it and structure also coming down. Seems a bit excessive if it was just a case they aren't using it during summer months

marno21

snotboogie wrote: »

This plan or idea is what has always got me excited about Cork roads; The N22 and N25 Southern Ring upgrades are designed to create a motorway ring around Cork city. Cork will have the M20 entering from the northwest and the M8 from the northeast. With some judicious changes on the N25 southern ring road and the future N22 northern ring road, an M22/M25 ring could be created, and possibly renumbered. The N25 as far east as Midleton would be up to scratch too, as would the N22 up to Macroom to the west. Cork would then be at the centre of nearly as many motorways as Dublin - the M8, M20, M22, and M25. Notably, all of these would actually connect with the ring road, unlike at Dublin where the joins are via lower standard DC sections. In order to achieve all this, some junction upgrades or reconfiguration would be needed for the N22 and N25 sections encircling Cork.

What do you think our chances of ever seeing this are? Looking at your post it doesn't seem that there is an interest in this at a national level, if there was projects like the NRR West wouldn't be in a state of permanent limbo and Ovens-Macroom would be getting precedence over Macroom-Ballyvourney.

It's proceeding at glacial pace because Cork politicians seemingly have no interest in pushing for any of this and are happy to ignore it. Michael Creed has heavily pushed the N22 Macroom bypass, and the Dunkettle interchange is being pushed but that's about it. Micheal Martin made an embarrassing presentation at the M28 oral hearing about "motorways through people's front windows" or some such ****e.

If the attitude to roads in the west was there in Cork these would be going ahead. The upgrades which were listed as priorities in the Road Needs Study 1998 won't be fully implemented this side of 2040.

kub wrote: »

When was that article written? For as long as i can currently remember the South Ring Road from the tunnel to the first Ballincollig exit is the N40 and will soon be the M40.

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

It has to not been the N40 for about 6 or 7 years tops.

N25 South Ring became N40 in 2012, around the same time they were working on the two roundabout flyovers. The N71 from the Sarsfield Road Roundabout to Victoria Cross became the R641 at the same time.

Missyelliot2 wrote: »

I drove from Cork to Grenagh Sunday, at 11.30am - there was so much traffic on the road. There was a lady in a car to the left (Waterloo area) trying to cross fast moving cars to get back into Cork. So dangerous! Basically, coming from a side road and turning right onto the N20, across a section where cars are doing 110km/120km - it is so daunting.- I am not from Cork- what is the story with this stretch of road-Cork-Limerick? What is the agenda?

Cork-Limerick was with An Bord Pleanala in 2011 and got rejected to add in a junction for Buttevant. Whilst this junction was being put in, the Government decided to scrap the project (along with 70 or so others) and it got binned. It restarted in late 2016 and passed a feasibility study, and now it's at the route selection stage and initial design with an emerging preferred route expected to be published in 2019.

Missyelliot2

I drove from Cork to Grenagh Sunday, at 11.30am - there was so much traffic on the road. There was a lady in a car to the left (Waterloo area) trying to cross fast moving cars to get back into Cork. So dangerous! Basically, coming from a side road and turning right onto the N20, across a section where cars are doing 110km/120km - it is so daunting.- I am not from Cork- what is the story with this stretch of road-Cork-Limerick? What is the agenda?