pinkypinky wrote: » Isn't that the hospital where lots of babies died shortly after birth a few years ago?
M.Cribben wrote: » Pathetic scaremongering from An Taoiseach.http://www.thejournal.ie/varadkar-abortion-pills-prosecution-4013432-May2018/ He's basically saying if the vote doesn't go his way, we'll throw you in jail by enforcing a law that has never been enforced in the history of the State. Democracy in action.
vicwatson wrote: » AAND what he actually said “The law “hasn’t been enforced yet, but it could be enforced in the future”” this is a FACT
drunkmonkey wrote: » Name any law that's been enforced, there is no judge going to send someone down for 14yrs, it's blatant scaremongering by Leo. Graham Dwyer will be out in less.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Bríd Smith put a bit of a spanner in the works for the yes side during Claire Byrne. Mary Lou was trying to woo undecided voters to yes by arguing that the women of Ireland could be trusted not to go for abortion at the rate it happens in UK, saying that they would each have good reason to opt for it. Then Bríd, who couldn’t hide her sentiments to save her life (and is honest to a fault), interurupted with a sentiment that equates to abortion should be for anyone at any time without regard to any reference to anybody’s morality. Mary Lou was being strategic, Bríd said it as she feels it, but it was an own goal at that minute for the yes side.
retro:electro wrote: » If you don’t think it’s right for women to be sentenced to 14 years for taking abortion pills you should vote yes. This referendum is a legal question, it’s less about killing babies vs saving babies and is more about do women have the right to access appropriate medical care in their home country. If I found out I was pregnant with my rapist’s baby right now my country would have no choice but to turn its back on me, it legally cannot help me and if I tried to help myself I can be prosecuted. If you think this is extreme then why are you voting no? People need to get to grips about what this amendment actually entails and the fact that you can still be pro-life but want to see it repealed. I honestly thank god that this referendum wasn’t this time last year because I’m pretty certain I would have voted No, and if you searched hard enough through my post history I’m sure you’d come across some pretty stupid posts of mine where I was ignorant of reality. The reality is women shouldn’t have to be dying in order to have their rights prioritied. Right now the only pregnant women Ireland prioritises above a foetus is the woman who is dying. The woman who is only kind of dying but not dead enough will have to die a little more before she can receive life saving care, and by then it could be too late. I think everyone goes through a “pro-life” stage, where you consider yourself a baby saver and abortion is murder. Yes abortion isn’t pleasant and it’s **** that it even has to happen but retaining the 8th won’t make abortion disappear. You can still be pro- life in a county that is catered for a Yes vote but you do not have a choice in a county that has legislated towards pro-life principles.
retro:electro wrote: » Brid was being realistic, what is one person’s moral dilemma is a walk in the park to another. Who are we to judge what people can and can’t cope with? Having an abortion isn’t a decision any women ever takes lightly. Don’t worry, there won’t be drive through clinics opening up where you can pop in for a McBortion with a side order of fries on your way home from work.
end of the road wrote: » actually if you don’t think it’s right for women to be sentenced to 14 years for taking abortion pills you can still vote no as the law isn't going to be enforced. never going to happen.
retro:electro wrote: » If you don’t think it’s right for women to be sentenced to 14 years for taking abortion pills you should vote yes. (that hasn't happened and will not happen) This referendum is a legal question, it’s less about killing babies vs saving babies and is more about do women have the right to access appropriate medical care in their home country. (your going to kill more than you save, data from other countries tells us that, as a parent I don't believe the proper supports are in there to help mothers and parents as it is when there's a problem, I'd like to see a world class health service first before we add something new) If I found out I was pregnant with my rapist’s baby right now my country would have no choice but to turn its back on me, it legally cannot help me and if I tried to help myself I can be prosecuted. (Under what is proposed you will still not be able to have an abortion if your raped, if the Minister for Health is to be believed, If you can provide some documentation to say Rape babies will be terminated i'd love to see it) If you think this is extreme then why are you voting no? (Respect for good friends who wouldn't be here without the 8th they've told me so) People need to get to grips about what this amendment actually entails and the fact that you can still be pro-life but want to see it repealed. (You can't it's a complete contradiction, you have no clue what happens after the 8th is repealed, pull up anyone saying they know what will happen because there lying, they have no idea) The reality is women shouldn’t have to be dying in order to have their rights prioritied. Right now the only pregnant women Ireland prioritises above a foetus is the woman who is dying. The woman who is only kind of dying but not dead enough will have to die a little more before she can receive life saving care, and by then it could be too late. (that's not factually true, you don't need to be on the cusp of death) You can still be pro- life in a county that is catered for a Yes vote but you do not have a choice in a county that has legislated towards pro-life principles. (you can't, you either respect life or you don't, it's not a pick & mix)
retro:electro wrote: » If you believe abortion is murder then why wouldn’t you want someone to go to jail for 14 years for murdering an innocent baby?
end of the road wrote: » i don't know, you would have to find someone of that view and put the question to them. it is a rather daft view, but people are of that view it seems and i still think you can disagree with a punishment and vote no to repeal if that's how you feel.
end of the road wrote: » people who kill another human being are often called murderers dispite the law possibly not agreeing.
end of the road wrote: » because they are killing another human being, the developing unborn child. how is it a low blow? if the child was born and she killed it that's exactly what she would be called. why should it be different because the child is unborn?
Hapax Legomenon wrote: » Pat Kenny, I think. I expect he'll do a better job than Clare Byrne. Certainly couldn't be any worse. I have no idea whether she's biased in favour of retaining the 8th, and was unable to hide it, or simply tried too way hard with the whole 'balance' thing. Either way, I don't think I've ever seen a presenter with so little control over what was happening around them.
Galwayguy35 wrote: » Cooper and Yates are having the debate next Monday, Pat Kenny is due to have another one as well next week, maybe on Wednesday and the Prime Time debate is tomorrow night. Simon Harris needs to get himself on at least one of these programmes to argue for a Yes vote.
drunkmonkey wrote: » From a political standpoint Abortion is good for the Economy and society. This saves the government a lot of money over the next 20 years.
BarryD2 wrote: » Now, that is utterly pathetic.
Arghus wrote: » I watched it last night. It was a very depressing spectacle. The No side seemed to be allowed spout whatever guff they wanted and then leave the Yes side so busy trying to correct their basic falsehoods that they didn't know whether they were coming or going. They were well prepared, but it's always an advantage in formats like last nights to be able to rely on half baked appeals to emotion as the basis of your arguments: the other side don't stand a chance with their "facts" and "reality". My respect for Peter Boylan went up immeasurably after the farce that was last night. How he managed to keep his composure in the face of some of the utterly ludicrous claims he had to listen to was utterly amazing. Maria Steen was more a less allowed free reign to say whatever she felt like and she took full advantage. The real low point was Dr. - can you believe that! - John Monaghan pettily chiding Dr. Boylan - "you should go back to school" - after Dr. Boylan had made the fair and reasonable point that a 12 week old foetus is not a fully formed human being. Christ Almighty, Dr. Monaghan if a foetus can be considered good as gold after 12 weeks, then what exactly is it doing in the womb for the remaining 24? Catching up on some reading with its fully formed brain? Get a grip man and grow some sense. How is that lad an obstetrician? It was clearly an attempt to try to settle some old scores and factual reality be dammed if it got in the way. Last night made me utterly, even more so, determined to vote Yes. I have some sympathy for people who feel conflicted and who will vote No: no matter what either extreme side of the argument says it's an eithical grey area. But I really hate, hate, hate, that brand of No voter who will utterly shamelessly say or claim anything to try to browbeat the other side, they're the lowest of the low, and there was a lot of that on display last night.
vin33 wrote: » Obviously distasteful, but I recall being in New York in the late 80s and it was very dangerous and intimidating. 10 years later and very safe. I've read of studies putting this down to the introduction of the pill. So the previous argument may not be that far fetched.
alan partridge aha wrote: » The media reaction would be because the NO side won the debate. I have found her to be very fair compared to the likes of Cooper and Kenny.
RTÉ received a massive 1,277 complaints in relation to the Claire Byrne Live Referendum Special. The programme, which broadcast on May 14, stood out because of the often raucous behaviour of the audience. There were also some fraught exchanges between the panellists including Dr John Monaghan, Dr Peter Boylan, Sinn Féin’s Mary Lou McDonald and the Iona Institute’s Maria Steen.
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