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Fatal Incident at Howth Junction

Samuel T. Cogley

I really hope this was an accident and not a suicide. There have been far too many of these over the last while, it's really time Ireland started focusing more on mental health.

Condolences to the loved ones of the person involved and thinking of the driver too.

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murpho999

Tragic but why blame Ireland?

You can't hold a country responsible for every psychological issue.

Not all sucides are going to be prevented sadly.

somesoldiers

I am currently involved with mental health services through a family member and am overwhelmed at the support out there for both families and the person involved.
Of course the problem identifying those that need help in the first place

UK are having a minute silence across all radio stations today at 10:59 to raise awareness for mental health

Samuel T. Cogley

murpho999 wrote: »

Tragic but why blame Ireland?

You can't hold a country responsible for every psychological issue.

Not all sucides are going to be prevented sadly.

Indeed, but having first hand experience of mental health services it is very difficult to get early, or proper treatment. There needs to be more service available and earlier intervention.

I says

Tragic as it is whether it’s suicide or not,I’m sure the dart driver isn’t feeling great now.

knucklehead6

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

I really hope this was an accident and not a suicide. There have been far too many of these over the last while, it's really time Ireland started focusing more on mental health.

Condolences to the loved ones of the person involved and thinking of the driver too.

From the Dart Drivers point of view I’d be thinking he’s preferring suicide than an accident. If it’s an accident then he’ll be under intense pressure and formal investigation, possibly losing his job

At least with suicide he’ll have the solace of knowing that if it wasn’t him driving the train the deceased would still have done it.

[Deleted User]

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

I really hope this was an accident and not a suicide.

Why is that? Both are preventable.

Jim Bob Scratcher

Sergio Georgini wrote: »

Why is that? Both are preventable.

Both are not deliberate.

whisky_galore

'Tragic incident' on media sources, which is code for suicide.

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich

My friend's uncle did the same earlier this year on the Dart line, nice guy with 3 kids.
It's funny how in Dublin the whole line shuts down. When I lived in London there were regular announcements that there was a delay due to "someone under a train", which would be met with audible sighs and eye rolling from commuters. They'd sort it out quickly though and things would get running fairly quickly. Here it seems to shut down the line for half a day.
I suppose you may as well do it at rush hour to annoy a load of people as your last action!

[Deleted User]

I'd rather it was a suicide tbh.

Ubbquittious

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich wrote: »

My friend's uncle did the same earlier this year on the Dart line, nice guy with 3 kids.
It's funny how in Dublin the whole line shuts down. When I lived in London there were regular announcements that there was a delay due to "someone under a train", which would be met with audible sighs and eye rolling from commuters. They'd sort it out quickly though and things would get running fairly quickly. Here it seems to shut down the line for half a day.
I suppose you may as well do it at
rush hour to annoy a load of people as your last action!

Its just a faster pace of life there and they have nearly all turfed religion and superstitious notions of respect for the dead out of the window so they can concentrate on getting on with the rat race.

In China where life is even cheaper theyd probably not stop at all unless the train actually wouldn't move.

Hurrache

In London I'm sure there's many lines in which trains can get diverted around while investigations hapen. For the Dart, outside of sidings around some stations, there's 2 lines, north and south.

Samuel T. Cogley

sugarman wrote: »

I really wish the Irish media / emergency services would just call it for what it is and stop pussy footing around the word 'suicide'. It's not offensive or insensitive and raises a hell of lot more awarenesses to the extent of the problem in our society than a 'Tragic incident' or 'Personal tragedy'.

Until the investigation is complete, they have to be careful though.

Rmgblue

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Until the investigation is complete, they have to be careful though.

Exactly. Imagine them saying it was a suicide and then it wasn’t.
It’s funny how everything turns into garda bashing.

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich

It's a bit of a dick move though by the jumper, I mean it could cause an accident and most certainly traumatise the driver

EdEd

murpho999 wrote: »

Tragic but why blame Ireland?

Our governments are shameful when it comes to mental health.

The_Kew_Tour

On average a Train Driver will experience 2 Suicides in their working lifetime.

SEPT 23 1989

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich wrote: »

It's a bit of a dick move though by the jumper, I mean it could cause an accident and most certainly traumatise the driver

I always thought if i had to do something this it would be out of the way and involve nobody else but then again I have never been suicidal so i dont really know what i would do

wakka12

Suicide happens in every country no matter how good mental health awareness resources are. There will always be many people who are set on ending their lives and will never be comforted or talked out of it

Assetbacked

No trains at all between Malahide and Killester which is effectively the entire north side Dart line. It brings it home how Dublin, despite it's size and status, is still very much a typical Irish small town type of place. Charming in its own way as a result of his, certainly has a laid back way of life, possibly too laid back at times.

Franz Von Peppercorn

EdEd wrote: »

Our governments are shameful when it comes to mental health.

I mean people keep saying that but is it true? We seem to have massive awareness campaigns and spend lots of money.

EdEd

wakka12 wrote: »

Suicide happens in every country no matter how good mental health awareness resources are. There will always be many people who are set on ending their lives and will never be comforted or talked out of it

Obviously but without the help there are many preventable cases cast aside.

wexie

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

I mean people keep saying that but is it true? We seem to have massive awareness campaigns and spend lots of money.

I certainly couldn't tell you about country wide. But in my experience the services unless you have private health insurance the services are absolutely dire.

Local mental health team (for example) didn't have a psychologist on staff for over 2 years! And that doesn't seem to be an isolated incident.

There may be lots of awareness campaigns but most of it is just lip service.

EdEd

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

I mean people keep saying that but is it true? We seem to have massive awareness campaigns and spend lots of money.

It absolutely is true. If you ever need professional help on the public system, and I hope you never will, then you're screwed.

murpho999

EdEd wrote: »

Our governments are shameful when it comes to mental health.

Can you tell me a country that does not have a suicide issue?

[Deleted User]

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

I mean people keep saying that but is it true? We seem to have massive awareness campaigns and spend lots of money.

Try talking to anyone who's had to access them. It's a disgrace. Nothing but good things to say about the staff but the resources aren't there. The alternative is the feel-good charity crap and knowing people involved up and down them it's disgusting the amount of money that goes into them as a way of seeming like something is being done.

murpho999

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich wrote: »

It's a bit of a dick move though by the jumper, I mean it could cause an accident and most certainly traumatise the driver

Nice sympathetic attitude. Do you have any idea what they're going through to make them want to do this?

manonboard

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich wrote: »

It's a bit of a dick move though by the jumper, I mean it could cause an accident and most certainly traumatise the driver

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I always thought if i had to do something this it would be out of the way and involve nobody else but then again I have never been suicidal so i dont really know what i would do

As far as i know, there are often underlying feelings of desperately wanting attention. The person usually have felt severely abandoned, in horrible pain, fear, and lonely for many months/years.
The morning time is one of the lowest for them as it's another whole day they have to feel these things before hoping to fall asleep (usually after long hours of feeling them more).

Getting the attention is a way of seeking acknowledgement of their pain from society. After feeling left out/invisible/not respected.. There is a feeling of power obtained from at least having the pain acknowledged. I think this is why it can go this way.

EdEd

murpho999 wrote: »

Can you tell me a country that does not have a suicide issue?

Can you show me where I said otherwise? This attitude that people will kill themselves anyway so why bother putting proper supports in place is the biggest issue imo.

ThinkProgress

wakka12 wrote: »

Suicide happens in every country no matter how good mental health awareness resources are. There will always be many people who are set on ending their lives and will never be comforted or talked out of it

This is true.

And in the future, ending one's life will be a very simple and painless event. Just like pressing a button to switch off a light!

People are very easy to create, and also remarkably easy to kill... with this in mind, it really makes you wonder just how precious life actually is!?

I've no issue with anyone killing themselves... but just try not to inconvenience everyone else around you when you do the deed. I feel sorry for the train driver, and also the people who will have to scrape this individual off the tracks and clean up that awful mess.... you cannot unsee those kind of things... poor f*ckers!!