Fighting Tao wrote: » That's possibly one of the reasons there is very little enforcement on roads. It should be a requirement that within 6 months of turning out from Templemore that they are trained to the level necessary.
Vladimir Poontang wrote: » Why do they need training to operate a flashy blue light! This is a national disgrace, no wonder the Gardai are a laughing stock
Vladimir Poontang wrote: » Story coming out today that HALF or Gardai can't give chase at speed OR use their siren as they are not qualified. If an unqualified Garda wants to pull over a car he has to resort to flashing his headlights in the HOPE the car pulls over. What. The. Fcuk.https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/concerns-over-lack-of-training-as-half-of-gardai-cant-give-chase-or-use-siren-842692.html
Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich wrote: » What do the Garda actually do? They seem to just be a tax collecting force, trying to catch people speeding etc to issue fines. Meanwhile Dublin City has open drug dealing, zombies everywhere, and the likes of the carry on in Finglas. Our police force look pathetic, their uniforms are so dated, compare them to Spanish or German police and you'd wonder why anyone would respect them. I wonder if your average Garda is afraid of the scumbags in Finglas and travelers etc. They continually blatantly break the law and cause disturbances yet nothing is done about it.
Captain Obvious wrote: » Approximately 1000 Gardaí are injured a year. It's certainly not from checking tax on cars.
Subcomandante Marcos wrote: » Shouldn't the advanced driving course be part or the curriculum at templemore?
grahambo wrote: » This has come out in light of the Skangers driving robbed cars in Finglas. The video on Social media shows chaotic scenes which most people were shocked by. What a lot of people don't realise is that this type of thing goes on most weekends in that part of Finglas. Look at the tyre marks on the ground in google maps:https://goo.gl/maps/F95PtFo3iGP2 That person made the mistake of recording the video and posting it to social media. They have probably had all their windows put through at this point. The Garda don't need to be able to pursue these little skangers. The Scummers want a chase off the Garda. The Garda have a policy of non-engagement. They already know who they are, so they just pick them up after. The reason for non-engagement is simple. The skangers ram Garda cars and a pursuit is V.Dangerous to the public. Damaged Garda car is not good, It's means a car is off the road for a week or two while it's repaired, plus the cost of the repair. Add to that even if they catch the little skangers nothing happens, the prisons are full, there is no where to put them so they just let them go with a suspended sentence. We need more Prisions
grahambo wrote: » We need more prisons ASAP. IMO it is the most critical long term issue in the country at the moment.
micosoft wrote: » And how exactly has that worked out for the US? What % of our population should be in prison? 10%? Do you think your tax dodger or joyrider leaves prison to become a productive member of society or goes on to commit more crime. Like 62%. Let's be Norway who have one of the lowest recidivism rates in the world, currently 20%, with approximately 3,933 offenders in prison, and one of the lowest crime rates in the world. IMO building more schools for crime is the (no exaggeration) the least critical long term issue in this country by a mile.
grahambo wrote: » This is a very unfair post. The Garda are stuck in a rut in terms of management and effectiveness. They have major investment but it's going to the wrong places/people My mate is Garda and there are shifts that he does where a car is not available and they have to go on foot. He doesn't mind this, but if he arrests someone he has to wait for a Car/Van to come and pick up the prisoner, meanwhile the prisoners mates show up and start giving him grief. There is a major shortage of equipment in the Garda and that's no secret. That being said, Accenture was paid €26,500,000 in 2016 for services and work down across various projects... To put that in perspective a Ford Focus which is a perfect Garda Car starts at €20,995. That equates to approx 1262 Cars... For just one year!!!!! In terms of arresting the scumbags, they do it all the time. but the prisons are full so they all just get a suspended sentence and are released back onto the street. My mate says he's arresting the same people all the time. Can you just imagine how demoralising that would be? Speaking of Moral, at least 8 Garda have committed suicide since Christmas... It's a tough Job. In terms of fear, you'd be afraid too if you and your partner were confronted by load of scumbags with bats at the back of an alley with backup being a few 5 mins away. Link It no secret among the criminal class that the chances of being caught by and an under resourced police force, convicted by a light touch judicial system, and imprisoned in an over populated prison system are extremely low. You only have to look at the chances these skangers willing take nowadays: - Unrest in tallaght during the snow - Gang beating up a Garda - Serious vandalism of a Train - Joy riding in Finglas All within the last few months.We need more prisons ASAP. IMO it is the most critical long term issue in the country at the moment.
opinionated3 wrote: » There was a substantial amount of taxpayers money assigned to putting new livery's on the squad cars so they could get rid of the" traffic corps" signage (millions I believe it cost). Why? ......... To get rid of the stench of the penalty points scandal. You point to the fear that they sometimes operate under. I believe it was put to their union a number of years ago about arming the gards with a sidearm for their own protection. They voted against it. So this"fear" you speak of so partially out of their own doing. It can be a dangerous job at times but we all know those times are extremely rare. Let's be honest, the majority of cops spend time either behind a desk, or out doing tax/nct/insurance road checkpoints. I agree with you on the prisons issue. These scummers run riot exactly because they know there will be very little in the way of punishment. But that still shouldn't act as an excuse for the gards to not try to take them on. What excuse do they have for not taking on the local drug dealer? ......... It's because there is no revenue for govt out of it. A "glorified set of revenue collectors" is what one disillusioned guard said to a friend of mine last year. And she is correct IMO.
grahambo wrote: » You're comparing the social and economic standards of Norway and the US The two countries could not be more different. I think Ireland sits somewhere in the middle of the two. I certainly am not talking about having a percentage of people in prison. Prison should be prison, Do the crime do the time. No education, no rehab, no TV, no pool tables, etc. So what if they're bored. They are there for punishment. The sentences are not long enough either. For serial offenders there should a provision to lock them up indefinitely. (Violent Crime, Rape, Pedophilia, etc) The problem is at the moment is costs €60,000 per year to keep a Prisoner in this country. It should really cost half of that. Regardless, you cannot argue that "having no Penalty" is more effective at crime prevention than "Having a Penalty"
Vladimir Poontang wrote: » Gardai should be passing out of Templemore already trained at this basic stuff.
opinionated3 wrote: » You point to the fear that they sometimes operate under. I believe it was put to their union a number of years ago about arming the gards with a sidearm for their own protection. They voted against it. So this"fear" you speak of so partially out of their own doing.
Graces7 wrote: » A thought; if this were the US how many of the Finglas etc thugs would literally survive?
micosoft wrote: » And how exactly do you think the US and Norway got to where they are now? Please don't create false arguments. If you think in simple binary ways you promote the very thought process that got the US to where it is today and end up with US rates of incarceration. If you use the slightest modicum that there is something other than "No education, no rehab, no TV, no pool tables, etc." then you end up with Norway. Simples. And the near total of scientific inquiry on the matter says so. So let's spend a little on youth centres and routes to employment in deprived areas which will reduce the need for the Gardai to do hot pursuits.
RDM_83 again wrote: » Norway has a population of 5.23 million so with 3,933 prisoners they have an incarceration rate of 75 per 100,000. Ireland has a population of 4.77million so with a prison population of 3846 at the start of the year there is an incarceration rate of 80 per 100,000. So in short Ireland and Norway actually already have a really low incarceration rate, so basically the idea that not building prisons has already been proven to fail.
