LXFlyer wrote: » Well perhaps that’s something that should be questioned? I’m assuming that you don’t have to subject yourself to the daily snail’s pace bus speeds in the south central area? I’d seriously question the value of Lucan LUAS given the lack of segregated space for it closer to the city. The shambles that is LUAS cross city should tell us that much.
tom1ie wrote: » Why will it cost 1.5 billion extra? Based on Metrolink costs it’d be less that a billion.
marno21 wrote: » If the price of a Charlemont-Firhouse Metro was found down the back of the sofa in the morning, it'd go on construction of the 4 planned Luas lines (Bray, Poolbeg, Finglas and Lucan) and kickstart DART Undeground. There are no policy provisions at the minute for a Metro to Firhouse so unless that policy is reviewed and amended, Metro Firhouse and indeed Metro West will not happen until after 2035.
tom1ie wrote: » Yeah but the problem with that is the cost of the sw to nw axis. It'd be enormous compared to Metrolink's as you wouldn't already have a luas line there, which as you quire rightly point out won't cost much to upgrade, and the majority of the line will be underground. In my scenario you have 3 areas that have a rail service for 4 billion as opposed to two areas (one of which already has rail, albeit heavily utilised) for 3 billion. My scenarios not perfect but a sw nw line would be prohibitively expensive and never get built.
salmocab wrote: » But again in your plan the green line metro will just stop outside the cc this makes no sense, a metro to charlemont is only slightly better than what’s there now. People would be rightly pi55ed off if we built a metro to near the city it has to go through the city, getting people to change onto a different line in the city doesn’t make sense sure people all over the world change trains on their commute but in your scenario thousands an hour will be looking to get onto an already busy train all in one location with very few transferring the opposite way. 2 lines with 4 proper terminuses in the suburbs passing each other in the cc in an X pattern also linking up with luas darts and normal trains is where we need to end up.
Idbatterim wrote: » misery sell! :rolleyes:
tom1ie wrote: » Green line doesn’t get upgraded until there are 1,2, or 3 stations in operation on the sw line. That’d be rathmines Harold’s x and Terenure. Meanwhile the tbm is tunneling towards firhouse, so Dublin south, south west and north all have access to rail, albeit the green line will be at capacity. The longer trams and the fact every second tram will only have to go cc as the majority of commuters will get off at charlemount to change to the metro to go cc/airport/swords or Terenure direction. And yes I’m saying construction cost per year to make it sound more palatable. But what’s wrong with that? That’ll be how it’s paid for.
tom1ie wrote: » It’s a pity, as all the attention in the media seems to be negative. If the public only receive the negative side they’ll believe there is only a negative side. I’m surprised the nta haven’t been more proactive in this regard.
sugarman wrote: » Not that Im aware of. Id image it would be on the official metrolink site if there was.
sugarman wrote: » Id like to see the original Metro West as seen below. Itd link up with the Red Line Luas line, Metro North and both Kildare commuter services to Naas & Maynooth. Theres so little in the way of orbital routes in this city. So many people are forced into the city centre each day only to come straight back out on another route to get to their destination. Its madness. Itd also massively decrease congestion on the M50. Plus, itd open up massive potential for new towns and estates along the route. Serving the likes of the already planned Clonburris. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5prJe0l7M64
bk wrote: » I thought we had already discussed this to death and put it to bed. Upgrading the green line will cost about 150m extra and triple to quadruple it's capacity. Go South West instead will cost in the region of about 1.5 billion extra! That would make a 3 billion project about 4.5 billion and thus risk it going ahead at all. And you would still need to upgrade the Green Luas line anywya as it is already hitting it's max capacity. Don't get me wrong, once Metro is built we should all absolutely be screaming for a second North East to South West Metro line. But now is not the time for it.
bk wrote: » Don't get me wrong, once Metro is built we should all absolutely be screaming for a second North East to South West Metro line. But now is not the time for it.
cgcsb wrote: » That's not strictly true, bus connects will improve the radial QBC situation, but it'll also provide high frequency orbital services that'll offer south west Dublin good connections to the new Sandyford-Swords metro.
LXFlyer wrote: » The issue I have is that apart from BusConnects (which I remain to be convinced about), the south central area is not gaining anything from any plans, yet it is the area with the slowest QBC speeds in the city. Journey times of up to 90 minutes for buses to get to/from the city in peak is nothing short of scandalous. People there are rightly very frustrated.
loyatemu wrote: » the reason they're connecting it to the green line is that upgrading the green line is relatively cheap. Tunnelling to Firhouse or wherever would double the cost of the whole project which would make it less likely to be approved and the green line would still be overloaded.
tom1ie wrote: » I’ve seen figures of 300 million for this on this forum no?
Sam Russell wrote: » I think they are taking an opportunity to upgrade the Green Line for small money by linking it to NMN (now Metrolink). The projected cost of €100 m to €150 m depending on choices yet to be made. For a doubling of capacity that sounds cheap.
salmocab wrote: » So in this scenario the green line doesn’t get upgraded at all? Also why are you pedaling the price as a per construction year thing? Is it just to make it seem cheaper?
tom1ie wrote: » Yeah I totally understand the capacity constraints on the green line as it is now. But in my scenario if your traveling from brides glen: Luas all the way to charlemount or cc at the minute Metro from charlemount to either firhouse or airport/swords. Also metro from firhouse to swords with change to sandyford if needed via charlemount Luas. Look I know it’s going to cost more (167 million extra per construction year) But it will service so many more people, it will bring extra political pressure to get this project built, it will connect Dublin south, south west and north like never before, and it will be cheaper than if we have to build two separate lines with a break of a couple of years in between, cost saving on ordering more tbm’s etc. even if the line just went to rathmines or Terenure to start with.
LXFlyer wrote: » That’s different from saying “they can’t leave the trams terminate above the Canal” which suggested you thought there was an engineering reason for not doing so.
Sam Russell wrote: » Because going towards GCD provides another link with Dart, and connects with a heavy office area. It is about 2 km, and going along Adelaide Road would make sense as it is wide enough so that only parking would be lost. It could be elevated past Leeson St if that would save CPO activity and traffic problems.
