Shefwedfan wrote: » You are comparing apples with oranges to be honest A PHEV is always going to be less econmical, it is carrying around a big petrol engine and a fuel tank full of petrol plus an electric engine with a battery.....PHEV is a stop gap to people who want to go electric but potentially need to do long distance driving and dont want to use the charging network. The Leaf will not do 378km. Not a hope in hell.....check on leaf thread for feedback. Maybe I missed but did you start a thread with your requirements? do you want to go full electric or is PHEV the preferred option?
daheff wrote: » so i'm trying to work out my fuel costs on various vehicles. I'm working out I do approx 20k km per year (70km a day). Niro PHEV range is (Allegedly) 58km from battery of 8.9kwh. My unit cost of electricty is 0.1852c per KW. So i work out (and excuse this back of cigarette packet calc here) that I can charge every night so of my annual commute 15,080 km will be powered by battery (lets take given numbers as true for the moment). So Niro costs me 15080/58 (number of charges per year) =260 8.9kwh *0.1852c =1.64828 EUR per charge = 428.55 electric costs Whereas if I had a 40kwh leaf - I'd get 378km from a charge. Charge would cost 40*0.1852c =7.408 EUR, but I'd only need 53 of them (1 a week or so) so this would cost 392 EUR (53*7.408). So the Niro would cost more for the battery charge than a leaf (or Kona), AND I'd still need to top up the costs with Petrol too.
Shefwedfan wrote: » Ok, what are you trying to understand.Maybe a better question....
daheff wrote: » I understand that the online numbers are 'sales talk', but i need to start at some even point to make comparisons. I can ask users what they get, but everybody drives different routes/ways so no 2 users would have the same kwh/100km (or whatever) and makes it more difficult to evaluate. Fair enough. They are the same thing, but just from different side. I'm using it to work out how much it costs to charge per range of vehicle. To get a cost per km
Shefwedfan wrote: » Any numbers online are mostly bulls**t. If you talk to users and ask what kWh/100km they are getting that will give you the real view..... I would not buy a car based on the numbers online.
Shefwedfan wrote: » The km/kWh is not a figure most people use. Most people use kWh/100km.
Springwell wrote: » The worst I've got so far is 35km/l or 98mpg but yes, 40km/l is my normal with the amount of charging I do
daheff wrote: » So this page is claiming 1.3l/100km & 58km electric range. The battery is a 8.9 kwh battery (correct me if I'm wrong)? So you are getting 6.5km/kwh ? Looking at the 64 kwh Kona, range 480km that has 7.5km/kwh vs the L40 at 9.5km/kwh. I know we arent comparing like with like, but the range per kwh is 2/3 of a leaf? I know real world we arent getting these ranges, but i'm evaluating which is better for me to buy (monetarily) and these ranges/kwh make a difference.
Springwell wrote: » No cabin pre heat but good heated seats and heated steering wheel. Bought in August, done 5,200km on four tanks of fuel (averaging €50 a fill) with 500km of fuel left in it currently, by the end of a tank average is usually 40 km/l or 110mpg roughly. On motorway at 125ish mpg is about 70 using the engine. Get 55-58km from the battery now, not sure how winter will affect that as winter vs summer range in my Zoe is quite different. Drive 40km each way commuting with charging both ends so electric only. Mixture of L and N roads, some sitting in traffic in Dublin and tackling a good stretch of Wicklow mountain. Other driving is weekend stuff and several long runs to Galway, Roscommon, North Antrim coast etc. Car has been offroading (just in fields a bit) no bother. No issues so far, car is comfortable, nice to drive and cheap to run. People are cagey about the boot space but I've fitted dog guard and divider and get four spaniels in easily. Fitted a mattress in at Ikea without removing any of that, just dropped the passenger side rear seat. It fitted the bill for us when another BEV wouldn't and we got a good deal with trade-in of a diesel Peugeot.
KCross wrote: » thanks I've a question out on SpeakEV to clarify as well as I dont know if it allows timed pre-heating. I'm also thinking that you dont have to turn on the heater at all if it has heated steering wheel and heated seats(which I believe it has). e.g. In the Leaf I rarely turn on the heater, just the heated seats and steering wheel and that does me fine. So, it might be less of a problem than people think.
Shefwedfan wrote: » In regards to the engine running to heat the cabin, Outlander has the same issue. The way around it on Outlander is to use the timer to heat before you get in. Does the Niro have similar? Also a lot of advertisement around a little device you can plug into Outlander to let you run heating off battery..... More of an FYI
KCross wrote: » I've been derailing the Niro EV thread..... anyone here bought a Niro PHEV? What type of driving are you doing in it each day? Speed, types of roads (L, N or M)? What mpg or l/100km are you averaging? What distance are you getting in EV only mode? Apparently the engine has to run to heat the cabin. Does the engine run a lot as a result? Any issues with the car in general? Is there anything you would change about it? thanks
slicedpanman wrote: » I'd only be looking at a 2015/16 Outlander... 30k is a stretch for me on the new niro, let alone the 40-50k on a new Outlander
Shefwedfan wrote: » slicedpanman wrote: » 32k They offered me 3k for my 05 Prius (pretty generous) Still a lot of money though Its a serious amount of car for that money!!! The Outlander PHEV is 40k or something new
slicedpanman wrote: » 32k They offered me 3k for my 05 Prius (pretty generous) Still a lot of money though
slicedpanman wrote: » I test drive one yesterday... Very nice Drives like an electric, pick up is as good as the leaf (we've a 24kW), was worried it wasn't really going to deliver the same performance and have some level of ICE lag. Also the transitions from EV to hybrid and back, using the mode button, was very smooth Quite impressed really. Very good cabin space and decent boot space. The full EV will be a cracking car... Not sure my 13 year old Prius will last that long though. Going to try a test drive in an Outlander tomorrow.
vienne86 wrote: » All in All, that's very poor by the salesman you met. I have a Kia Carens and have found the dealer (Dublin based) excellent, before/during/after the sale. I am seriously considering the Niro Phev for my next car. I dropped in to a Kia dealer in Wexford a couple of months ago, and it was clear that the salesman I met could not understand anyone being interested in a hybrid let alone a PHEV.....I suspect it is a urban/rural thing......people living in rural areas would want to stick with diesel.
Shefwedfan wrote: » Selling a Carens in bread & butter to these guys.....it has a nice diesel engine they all know and love I bet if you walked into the same Dublin based dealer and asked about a PHEV you would get a confused look.....anyone bar Toyota dealers know about hybrid.....Nissan dealers at least have some idea with the Leaf..... It is a joke that so few dealers both to train themselves up on new models...I work in a business and we have new products are released every few months....if you dont know the new products you will be fired....car dealers seem to allowed idiots to work for them
