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African gang beat the sh*t out of two gardai with a baseball bat.

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https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-fear-footage-of-assault-on-officers-will-be-circulated-on-social-media-36858579.html

The Gardai are seriously under prepared to be dealing with the african gangs that are beginning to get a foothold in Ireland.

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Annd9

baylah17 wrote: »

Racist
By the way I think you're mixing up Somali pirates
There is no history of piracy in Nigera
But then again as you said you're a racist

He is correct on some points , Nigerian's have a terrible reputation within Africa itself and many have enhanced that reputation here with their behaviour or perceived lack of motivation to join the workforce.

A very close relative who works in the welfare dept has recently admitted how , years of abusing the system has left her (internally ) resentful towards many of them .

Deporting anyone who commits a serious crime is common sense , I would expect the same treatment if I was living abroad .

A Pint of Goo

Not wanting African criminals in your country makes you a racist. Fantastic logic as usual from the left on this issue.

vicwatson

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The full force of the state needs to come down on this now nip it in the bud make it a very difficult country to operate in

Run them out of it

The state turned a blind eye to another group for the last forty years and look at the crime crew they have turned into

The state can't even deal with the paltry amount of stuff they have to, for a small country with 4.5 mill people.

Amalgam

Annd9 wrote: »

He is correct on some points , Nigerian's have a terrible reputation within Africa itself and many have enhanced that reputation here with their behaviour or perceived lack of motivation to join the workforce.

Part of the reason welfare statistics are so vague, held back, it was 'showing up' certain groups during the Tiger years. Namely, the travelling community (obvious), Nigerian males of working age (not so obvious), close to %80 were work shy, at one point, some two or three years after being resident.

[Deleted User]

baylah17 wrote: »

There is no history of piracy in Nigera

mynamejeff wrote: »

yes there is

https://worldmaritimenews.com/archives/246090/pirates-attack-two-ships-in-one-day-off-nigeria/

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/pirates-kidnap-10-sailors-off-nigeria-imb/

Wonder will you get an admission here from baylah17 that s/he was wrong?

facehugger99

If only we could get rid of the Muslims, africans and travellers we would be living in a utopia, free from crime where pink-glitter unicorns would fart rainbows.

Enochwasright

facehugger99 wrote: »

If only we could get rid of the Muslims, africans and travellers we would be living in a utopia, free from crime where pink-glitter unicorns would fart rainbows.

There would certainly be a hell of a lot less crime as the three groups you mentioned are vastly over represented in crime but alas we would still have our indigenous criminals and no rainbow farting unicorns we would have a hell of a lot more resources to help the indigenous people and stop many of the following a criminal lifestyle, but liberals don't care about our own working class.

punisher5112

I don't buy into all this racist rubbish and something that really gets to me is when I'm called one but yet have black friends...

Logic anyone¿¿¿

I've come across more blacks that are racist towards us Irish while working quite a lot.

They tend to use the race card when something doesn't go the way they want it or not paying their way etc.

I am the 1st to admit we've some amount of our own scum bags but so does every country I just believe we don't need to import more issues and drains on our services from hospitals, revenue, tax, welfare etc etc. Oh and our working age as mentioned already getting extended so much when will it end.

RustyNut

Enochwasright wrote: »

There would certainly be a hell of a lot less crime as the three groups you mentioned are vastly over represented in crime but alas we would still have our indigenous criminals and no rainbow farting unicorns we would have a hell of a lot more resources to help the indigenous people and stop many of the following a criminal lifestyle, but liberals don't care about our own working class.

You'll have numbers to back up this assertion?

facehugger99

Enochwasright wrote: »

There would certainly be a hell of a lot less crime as the three groups you mentioned are vastly over represented in crime but alas we would still have our indigenous criminals and no rainbow farting unicorns we would have a hell of a lot more resources to help the indigenous people and stop many of the following a criminal lifestyle, but liberals don't care about our own working class.

Of course, I'm old enough to remember the 70's and 80's before there was any immigration. It was a time of peace and tranquility, if you ignore the fact that practically every measurable crime statistic was higher back then.

Enochwasright

RustyNut wrote: »

You'll have numbers to back up this assertion?

Yes, instead of me trying to share a pdf with you please Google "UK prison statistics" and within the top few results there will be a link that opens a pdf with all the statistics, you will need a pdf viewer! Also if you are happy enough with me just copy and pasting the numbers I can do that but if you want to see it from a more offical source you will need to follow the simple steps above. Thanks.

Enochwasright

facehugger99 wrote: »

Of course, I'm old enough to remember the 70's and 80's before there was any immigration. It was a time of peace and tranquility, if you ignore the fact that practically every measurable crime statistic was higher back then.

You seem to be arguing with yourself or building a strawman argument to "win" as we evolve and our society becomes more prosperous crime should fall, certainly it should surprise none that crime was more rife 50 years ago in a country that had poverty and a civil war, but today crime is quite low but we are seeing blossoming shoots of discord that have raised the crime levels of our European partners significantly and people simply want to ask should we follow down the same path or reconsider?

Grayson

irishproduce wrote: »

This is a good point. Part of the reason we will all be expected to work into our 70s and above will be to provide for these troublemakers we are importing.
Think about that, that your retirement will be shortened so that foreign troublemakers can be looked after throughout their lives.

So if it was for an exploding white population you'd be OK with it?

Enochwasright

Grayson wrote: »

So if it was for an exploding white population you'd be OK with it?

This is another example of a strawman argument, usually deployed when the person finds it hard to counter an argument so will construct their own "argument" that helps them feel they are victorious.

jimgoose

facehugger99 wrote: »

Of course, I'm old enough to remember the 70's and 80's before there was any immigration. It was a time of peace and tranquility, if you ignore the fact that practically every measurable crime statistic was higher back then.

And so it should be. And all the more reason why people of African origin whaling into a Garda with a baseball bat in a quiet corner of Dublin near Foxrock should raise an eyebrow, I'd say! :pac:

BoJack Horseman

I feel enriched by the incident.
If you don't, you are a racist.

Grayson

Enochwasright wrote: »

This is another example of a strawman argument, usually deployed when the person finds it hard to counter an argument so will construct their own "argument" that helps them feel they are victorious.

Not really. This who thread though is a logical fallacy though. .

1) select the group you don't like. In this case black people.

2) find something that one or more did wrong.

3) use that as a reason to blame the whole group.

The op specifically created a thread so he could rant about black people and immigration. Others joined in. Then they try and use the same tactics again and again.

And if you want the perfect example of a strawman argument, look at the post I quoted.

Captain Obvious

It's refreshing to see such concern for public servants. I wonder how many of the people concerned about this incident show concern for the other hundreds of Gardaí injured each year.

JonnyM

Why didn't the armed guards shoot the dog??

Captain Obvious

JonnyM wrote: »

Why didn't the armed guards shoot the dog??

Too much paperwork followed by the standard disciplinary investigation then the civil suit.

Jimbob1977

JonnyM wrote: »

Why didn't the armed guards shoot the dog??

GSOC probably.

[Deleted User]

I was a permanent resident years ago elsewhere and I agree that if I committed a crime I would expect to be exported if caught and charged.

At the same time I have no problem with immigration and criminals come from all walks of life.

This incident, for me, shows the lack of funding and support for the Gardai and issues with our judicial system. I wonder if they could be granted special powers that wouldn't need a court approval for a warrant in fast moving situations such as this. The incident happened at 7.30 and an approval wasn't granted until 10.45. That's quite a long turnaround time considering the gravity of the incident.

Also, the Gardai initially on the scene were woefully underprepared for what happened and the ASU should have been available on standby without the need for a warrant.

It doesn't matter what group was involved, this could very easily have been a local gang involved with a similar outcome.

Franz Von Peppercorn

facehugger99 wrote: »

If only we could get rid of the Muslims, africans and travellers we would be living in a utopia, free from crime where pink-glitter unicorns would fart rainbows.

A whataboutary sneer isn’t an argument. In this specific case the question is whether the perpetrators should be deported (yes) and whether our immigration system is fit for purpose.

If you want to defend immigration as a relatively good thing in moderation, which I believe, you have to condemn the flaws. Supporting criminal immigrants (if they even are) is the kind of echo chamber nonsense that the ultra left engage in to make themselves feel better but it is no substitute for policy.

Gravelly

facehugger99 wrote: »

If only we could get rid of the Muslims, africans and travellers we would be living in a utopia, free from crime where pink-glitter unicorns would fart rainbows.

No, but if we got rid of the specific Africans involved in this incident (or better still didn't leave them enter in the first place) these Gardaí wouldn't have been assaulted - and I think it's probably safe to assume that this isn't the first crime these specific Africans committed, so we would have prevented other victims from suffering too. But, obviously, it is much more important that we signal our virtue than worry about mere crime victims, they are merely fuel for the great engine of multiculturalism.

seamus

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

A whataboutary sneer isn’t an argument. In this specific case the question is whether the perpetrators should be deported (yes) and whether our immigration system is fit for purpose.

The effectiveness of any immigration system should be questioned, continually. There is no point where anyone should ever say, "This works well, let's change nothing".

Ultimately there is no way for any immigration system to prevent gangs from forming on the "other side" of the border. No matter how honest, decent or educated an immigrant may be, they are entering into a different culture with different people of different values.

They will naturally gravitate towards people with whom they share a common background and form micro-communities.

Where one of these micro-communities is more isolated from their host country than others - either isolated by social attitudes, or self-isolated - then criminal activity will begin to develop.

The point is that the formation of criminal gangs out of particular immigrant communities doesn't mean that immigrants from this region are particularly predisposed to crime, or that border policy has necessarily failed.

It means that immigration policy has failed to recognise where communities have gone into isolation and failed to enact policies to dissolve that isolation.

Communities get engaged in organised crime because they don't feel connected to wider society. If you feel respect for society and feel that you're "part" of society, then you won't sh1t on your own doorstep. That holds as true for Nigerian immigrants in West Dublin as it does for deprived Irish communities in inner-city Limerick and travellers across the country.

Danzy

Enochwasright wrote: »

.
.. but liberals don't care about our own working class.

Many Liberals, progressives, people across the Left actively despise them.

More pronounced in Britain and pats of Europe but it is here as well.

It is fatal to the left,long term.

Foxhound38

Is it just me, or am I seeing a lot more racist threads around AH of late?

On the OP, plenty of Irish gougers out there that I don't feel associated with. I'm not sure why you seem to want to associate others with examples of their worst elements.

People are just people.

Rory28

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Is it just me, or am I seeing a lot more racist threads around AH of late?

On the OP, plenty of Irish gougers out there that I don't feel associated with. I'm not sure why you seem to want to associate others with examples of their worst elements.

People are just people.

Why is it racist to start a thread about a serious assault on the Gardai? This is a very unusual case in that the Guards had to retreat. If this was anyone else of any other background a thread would have been made because its insane that the Gardai were made to retreat from an assault.

Odhinn

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

all risks people take by voluntarily deciding to shoot unknown crap into their veins/noses, and/or partake in the trade thereof, but lets not let personal responsibility get in the way of things, lets get right on and legalise the crap so we dont have to feel bad when another 10 headless bodies are swinging of a bridge in Mexico, or an innocent Irishman gets shot on his holidays, no lets worry about our own gratification

alcohol is one of the main causes of societal misery, ill health, domestic violence, public order offences, birth defects, fatal car crashes, child neglect etc., where over half of those imbibing, do so in a harmful way...

And you want to add another problem into the mix...

It actually takes out a problem. It's been used and proved in Portugal.

AnneFrank

I see we're racists now Father