Zubeneschamali wrote: » I think it is the opposite. The entire country is sane - so sensible that they cannot accept that they did something mad. They think Brexit must be sensible because sensible people like them would not do anything completely insane. And yet, here we are.
Strazdas wrote: » Zubeneschamali wrote: » I think it is the opposite. The entire country is sane - so sensible that they cannot accept that they did something mad. They think Brexit must be sensible because sensible people like them would not do anything completely insane. And yet, here we are. I think most countries around Europe who found themselves in the Brexit situation would be able to extricate themselves from it relatively easily i.e. a second referendum, the government saying it would not be in the national interest to implement it or some other formula from the govt / parliament to solve the problem. The Brits have gotten themselves into a terrible bind though, especially with this 'will of the people' narrative and the idea that the result must be implemented no matter what the consequences and that it would be profoundly 'undemocratic' and a 'betrayal' to do anything other than implement the result. Looking in from the outside, it seems bonkers that a country would get itself into such an almighty mess over what is little more than a glorified opinion poll. That nut Cameron was playing with fire by ever going near the idea of a referendum, as it's clear the British don't know how to do referendums or handle the fall out from them.
briany wrote: » What exactly are the political pundits suggesting the UK is going to say to the EU/Ireland/Northern Ireland, come the deadline date?
Jim2007 wrote: » It is not actually very difficult to understand: They are hoping that what is on offer in other areas will be enough to split the 27 and they'll get something close to what they want in the end. All the while the negotiations are going on in Brussels, UK ministers and diplomats are visiting the capitals of Europe hoping to create that split. But as an Italian work mate of mine says: The real problem with the British is that they don't understand that when a European says 'No', they really mean 'No' and not 'Maybe I'm open to persuasion' ...
Unpossible wrote: » Or are they hoping that this is a giant game of chicken and the EU will blink
Leading Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg is calling on Theresa May to "call the EU's bluff" and cripple Ireland in retaliation to delays in a border deal being struck. "If Britain trades on WTO terms, we could potentially slap tariffs of up to 70 per cent on Irish beef.
steddyeddy wrote: » Sorry if this has been posted but I'm astounded at this threat by Mogg: English nationalism at its finest. No different from something you'd hear in a pub draped with St.George's cross. Dangerous thinking.
Etias, which is modelled on the US visa-waiver system, is designed to increase border security in times of mass migration and a heightened terrorist threat. Visitors to the EU, including from the US, will have to file an online application, which will be cross-checked against EU states' crime databases and those of Interpol, the international police agency. Most will get a travel permit "automatically and quickly" and the €7 fee will keep them covered for three years.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » It's par for the course for Jacob. It's not the first time he's threatened Ireland if Britain doesn't get its way with the EU. It's his elitist Little Englander arrogance shining through - briseann an dúchas trí shúile an chait. Or, perhaps even more apt, what would you expect from a pig but a grunt?
ancapailldorcha wrote: » It's not just senseless, it betrays a complete lack of understanding of how the EU actually works. Does he think that such a tariff would not be met with reprisals from Brussels? Does he not think that corporations in Brussels are not using lobbying the EU to try and put UK firms at a disadvantage?
Call me Al wrote: » I think JRM most likely knows exactly what he says isn't realistic.
Lemming wrote: » JRM can scream all the obscenity that he likes because he is a back-bencher and will rarely, if ever, be called to account for what he has said. And and he knows it. This is also why the media laps him up; he's Farage mk.II and panders to all sorts of nationalism & bigotry. That doesn't mean he isn 't dangerous because as I have said earlier, I suspect he's quite content where he is sat because he wont be called to account for his words in Parliament, and if some of his more 'colourful' notions see the light of day, he knows that someone else will take the heat for something he wanted done. Best of both worlds as far has he's concerned.
Enzokk wrote: » But they were promising cheaper food prices due to Brexit, because they could get cheap beef in from Brazil/other countries. But if you charge the beef from Ireland a 70% tariff, then you have to do the same to all other countries, right? That is the essence of most favoured nation clause. Unless he thinks they will be able to get a trade deal with Brazil/Argentina/AN Other country done to get the cheap beef in to the UK. If he thinks he can bully the EU and not get the same back in return he truly is stuck in the past. If the UK puts a 70% tariff on EU beef then it would surely mean the EU would be leaning on any potential trade partners the UK may be negotiating with. I mean all's fair if the UK starts with punitive tariffs to harm the EU in my opinion.
EdgeCase wrote: » The EU would simply respond by tarrifing some significant UK export with similar rates.
EdgeCase wrote: » At this stage they're going to have to cause a recession before they understand how stupid what they are doing is.
Zubeneschamali wrote: » With growth down to 0.1%, they are practically there already, and the news has not mentioned it. I'm sure the BBC are expecting a prolonged recession and will put a brave face on it.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » It's not just that he's unaccountable. His extremist views which are anathema to British values are dragging the overton window in an ever more rightward and increasingly authoritarian direction. By not being accountable, he can say what he wants and his following both on Twitter, in the Conservative party and in the ERG will take it seriously. When you consider the disastrous, fractious state British politics is in, I can see him becoming PM unless he is smart enough to discard such a poisoned chalice and remain ideologically pure.
"The UK Independent claims May could offer effective freedom of movement, with an "emergency brake" included as a face-saving measure:
Just last month, Mr Davis stated that “a whole load of new technology” exists to prevent the need for physical checks and controls at the border. But in response to a freedom of information request submitted by i, officials at the Department for Exiting the European Union admitted the number of companies it had spoken to about such technology was “nil”.
An Ciarraioch wrote: » More parliamentary endeavours to prevent a "no deal Brexit", with some Tories warming to joining EFTA:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/28/support-for-cross-party-plans-take-no-deal-brexit-off-table
An Ciarraioch wrote: » The UK Independent claims May could offer effective freedom of movement, with an "emergency brake" included as a face-saving measure:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-talks-latest-eu-immigration-free-movement-offer-a8326101.html#commentsDiv
