Zubeneschamali wrote: » No, that is the story they are telling the backbenchers. In fact they will delay and delay until October and then fold and accept what is on offer from the EU when it is too late for the Brexiteers to stop them.
Danzy wrote: » I think they'll go late and agree custom union. The majority of Tory MPs are Remain and the big money behind the party is nearly all Remain. Leave were strongest among the Working class. May will let the cards fall where they will with a warning that collapsing the Govt will handbit to Labour.
Member states of a customs union can maintain all sorts of regulations – such as health standards, agricultural controls and minimum product standards – and goods entering the market need to be checked for compliance with these. This is exactly what customs officers along the Northern Irish border were doing until the single market emerged in 1993. Only in a single market are such standards harmonised or mutually recognised on a comprehensive basis – without the need for customs checks. This is why it was possible to abolish systematic customs checks along the border in 1993.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » Mod: Let's have less of the one-liners and Twitter dumps please.
briany wrote: » I'm having a harder and harder time understanding the UK's mentality re: Northern Ireland's position. They've already exhausted, and/or have seen ruled-out, proposals for a solution on the border question, yet they're continuing to negotiate other parts of the withdrawal treaty, knowing that these cannot come to fruition without a solution on the former. That's like someone shopping for a Lamborghini with no money in their bank account, and bad credit, hoping that they'll somehow win the lotto before they go down to the dealership. What exactly are the political pundits suggesting the UK is going to say to the EU/Ireland/Northern Ireland, come the deadline date?
EdgeCase wrote: » Just looking through their degrees and qualifications on wikipedia. Mostly just fairly normal 2nd class honours BAs in English, Classics and so on from Oxford etc. I could fully understand someone with a classics / languages background who was educated in an elite bubble having little grasp of economic reality. However, David Davis has a pretty heavy weight CV in business and does not come from that kind of elite bubble. It's surprising he's not a lot more pragmatic. Karen Bradley also stands out as being educated in what seems to be a community school and then going on to do a B.Sc. in Maths in Imperial College.
First Up wrote: » I doubt NI featured in 99.99% of Brexit voters' thoughts. It isn't in the top 10 issues for the average MP either. For Brexiteers, if NI is too hard, I'd guess most would cut it loose without a 2nd thought. Parliament can't be that cavalier of course so it will be interesting to watch. But I have no doubt there's a "UK mentality" that wouldn't mind cutting it loose and leaving us with the consequences.
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briany wrote: » First Up wrote: » I doubt NI featured in 99.99% of Brexit voters' thoughts. It isn't in the top 10 issues for the average MP either. For Brexiteers, if NI is too hard, I'd guess most would cut it loose without a 2nd thought. Parliament can't be that cavalier of course so it will be interesting to watch. But I have no doubt there's a "UK mentality" that wouldn't mind cutting it loose and leaving us with the consequences. When you say, "cutting it loose", I assume you mean agreeing to leave NI within the customs union and putting the border in the Irish sea. They cannot legally boot NI out of the union without proper due process (e.g. referenda), AFAIK.
briany wrote: » When you say, "cutting it loose", I assume you mean agreeing to leave NI within the customs union and putting the border in the Irish sea. They cannot legally boot NI out of the union without proper due process (e.g. referenda), AFAIK.
At a meeting with staff from the [incredibly important UK Ministry] on [SOMETHING really pressing] post-Brexit and they had this idea for a new Treaty, sounds great etc. When asked how has Brussels reacted on the Treaty plan, they basically said "oh well we haven’t told them yet, will do that next year"
An Ciarraioch wrote: » The Taoiseach gives a speech in Belgium, suggests talks could halt in June unless a Border solution is finalised by then:https://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/taoiseach-will-put-a-stop-to-the-eu-uk-withdrawal-agreement-unless-progress-on-the-border-by-june-36848617.html
LeinsterDub wrote: » I believe the GFA protects the constitutional status of the North, however as the Windrush and aspects of brexit have shown the rule of law in the UK is becoming worryingly stretched.
BonnieSituation wrote: » I have a friend that would have regular contact with civil servants and politicians in Ireland, Britain and Europe and they sent me this today: The surprising has stopped being surprising. Given how things have gone this week and how the Express (and their ilk) have responded to the "treacherous" House of Lords, one would think that if you knew anything of how politics works and were a rabid brexiteer you would be panicked at the hamfistedness of this. --- I'm really looking forward to the JRM response to it. Was hoping there would be more online by now.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » JRM would be delighted. It would prove that he is right when he says that Britain should tell the EU to foxtrot oscar and crash out via a hard Brexit.
BonnieSituation wrote: » The longer this charade continues the more I want them to Foxtrot Oscar and eat the tonne coming their way. It was all well and goo but it does feel like the strop has gone one far too long and the adults need to come back and take over. When you want GW Bush and Gordon Brown back you know you're in dangerous times. -- The morning should be better for further outrage I bet.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Brexit has its origins in internal Tory politics. The outrage will continue as they use Ireland and the EU as sticks to beat each other with. JRM doesn't give a fiddlers about Norn Iron or pesky borders, he's a Little Englander to his marrow. Norn Iron is just something he can use against Tory Remainers and to keep May in line. Preserving England as it was between the wars is what he is about. The fact that his version of England died after WW2 is lost on him. He's informed by his Old Etonian elitist arrogance. Neither a hard, soft or no Brexit will impact on his lifestyle so it's easy to pursue a foolish and impossible fantasy. It's a selfish and myopic indulgence.
Bit cynical wrote: » Goes a lot further back than current Tory policy tbh. Labour's Tony Ben (friend and mentor of Corbyn) was arguing against entering the then EEC back in the 70s and personally advocated exit from the EU right up to his death a few years ago.
First Up wrote: » I think the typical Brexit voter (older, less educated and, lets face it, a but dim) wouldn't bother with such details. Their Britain is England and the bits of Scotland and Wales where the Spitfires took off and that that don't talk funny or wear skirts. They just want rid of all the complicated stuff
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Brexit has its origins in internal Tory politics. The outrage will continue as they use Ireland and the EU as sticks to beat each other with. JRM doesn't give a fiddlers about Norn Iron or pesky borders, he's a Little Englander to his marrow. Norn Iron is just something he can use against Tory Remainers and to keep May in line.
He's informed by his Old Etonian elitist arrogance. Neither a hard, soft or no Brexit will impact on his lifestyle so it's easy to pursue a foolish and impossible fantasy. It's a selfish and myopic indulgence.
Lemming wrote: » Earlier during the week he was crowing on about how it would be 'racist' to grant EU nationals rights above non-EU citizens post-brexit because they [EU] are "predominantly white". He couldn't give less of a flying fvck; it's a simple case of "any rock will do" with which to try and bash the other guy with. Don't forget that he is also informed by his stake in Somerset capital standing to earn a slice of the estimated £5bn+ from the vulture fall-out if Brexit proceeds. How he can be allowed to sit in parliament with such a clear conflict of issues is beyond parody ...
Lemming wrote: » Earlier during the week he was crowing on about how it would be 'racist' to grant EU nationals rights above non-EU citizens post-brexit because they [EU] are "predominantly white".
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Here's a tough one: Who is the bookies' favourite to be the next British Prime Minister? Hint: His first name is Jacob.
